'I had him and scrubbed him out': Shock Lions XV calls as Rugby Pod co-hosts agree on only nine picks
The latest episode of The Rugby Pod has seen co-hosts Andy Goode and Jim Hamilton agree on the identity of nine players who should be in the Lions XV to play the Springboks following the recent completion of the Guinness Six Nations, but the half-dozen differences in their respective selections are startling.
Whereas ex-England out-half Goode has gone for Wales’ title-winning skipper Alun Wyn Jones to captain a Lions XV containing Dan Biggar at out-half and George North on the wing, ex-Scotland lock Hamilton has omitted Jones and instead picked Ireland’s Iain Henderson to partner Maro Itoje at lock.
Hamilton caused further consternation with co-host Goode by picking Jamie George at hooker and going out on a limb by nominating Owen Farrell, another of his old Saracens pals, to not only be the starting No10 but to also captain the Lions XV versus the Springboks.
It was a controversial choice given how Farrell played poorly throughout a championship where he skippered England to a worst-ever fifth-place finish, but Hamilton stuck to his guns and refused to budge despite Goode’s bemusement.
The Lions’ Test series versus the Springboks is set to begin on July 24 in Johannesburg and the country by country breakdown of the respective XVs suggested on The Rugby Pod read Wales 7, Ireland 4, Scotland 3 and England 1 for Goode while Hamilton’s consisted of 5 Scotland, 4 Ireland, 3 Wales and 3 England.
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RugbyPass has reviewed the seven-minute-long selection process, highlighting the reasons why Goode opted for his Wales dominated XV and why Hamilton came up with a Scottish influenced pick. Here is how it all unfolded on the latest Rugby Pod, starting with their selections at loosehead:
AG: Wyn Jones.
JH: Have you gone for Wyn Jones? I tweeted that after week two and people were sending me laughing emojis. I don’t know whether it was laughing or crying.
AG: Hooker, Ken Owens.
JH: Jamie George.
AG: Not on form, you’re picking him because he is your mate.
JH: Mine’s a bit of everything, mine’s not just form.
AG: I’m going on form. I’m going on Lions XV if you are picking a Test match to start tomorrow.
JH: I am going off the back of what we have seen knowing that Jamie has got a big game against Ampthill coming up and he can play his way into the team.
AG: I’m just saying you picked your mate. Carry on.
JH: A hot-stepper at tighthead, Tadhg Furlong. Easy.
AG: An easy decision.
JH: These are the interesting ones, the back five are interesting. Will you go first?
AG: Maro Itoje.
JH: I have put Maro Itoje in there but my other lock is Iain Henderson.
AG: Really?
JH: That’s quite a ballsy call but the work he got through and the physicality that he produces every game, if he is fit he is in.
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AG: My other second row, it was a close call between the old school and the new school, the new school being James Ryan but I have just got to go with the skips, Alun Wyn Jones. He is my skipper. Alun Wyn Jones, give him the armband, second row, captain of the winning Six Nations team in Wales, performed beyond expectations of most people. He has got it in his locker, he knows what the Lions is, knows how to win in a Lions jersey.
JH: I had him and scrubbed him out because that is what is in me.
AG: Horrible.
JH: That is what is in me. I actually messaged him on Instagram when I was drunk on Friday saying congratulations, you need to put more pictures up. Didn’t reply but he put a picture up so he must have seen it. No6 I have gone for a friend of the show, Tadhg Beirne.
AG: Exactly, same here. Tadhg Beirne down at six. At No7, Hamish Watson.
JH: Yes sir, me too!
AG: You have to. He’s English, he came through the Leicester academy, we have sent him off to Scotland, he is playing unbelievably well with the best mullet you have ever seen in your life. It was a close call between him and Tom Curry and also (Justin) Tipuric and loads others but I just went with Hamish Watson on form.
JH: There is a few of them, Sam Underhill as well, but we are not talking about the outsiders at the minute. We are talking about the insiders.
AG: No8 Jim, who have you got?
JH: I found this one difficult and this is more on form and a big-game player and because I love Wales, Taulupe Faletau.
AG: Yes, yes.
JH: Look at us, look at us…
AG: I had Sam Simmonds written next to him but then I can’t pick him to start a Lions Test match because he hasn’t played in the Six Nations so that was my thought process but I have gone Toby Faletau as well.
JH: Here we go then, I think this could look very different because I am an expert on the backs.
AG: You are, Jim. Scrum-half Conor Murray.
JH: Ali Price. I’d say Conor Murray because of his box-kicks, I have never seen him get charged down. Ali Price is physical, quick at the base, he has got a kicking game.
AG: He got charged down quite a few times by Maro and (Eben) Etzebeth would be all over him like a rash. That is why I have gone for Conor Murray with experience, and you will understand why I have gone for Conor Murray in a minute. It’s your turn, Jim.
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JH: I have gone Faz (Owen Farrell), as captain.
AG: Really? On form, or is it because his dad (Andy Farrell) is going to be a coach?
JH: Just because I might be working with the Lions so I want to make sure I am onside with everyone that I have bad mouthed. I just think it’s because Alun Wyn Jones isn’t captain, that’s why. Owen Farrell, regardless of his performances and question marks, I don’t think there is anyone else. I say that with the utmost respect. He is a big Test match player. Johnny Sexton was close. Finn (Russell) hasn’t done enough for me, he is going to be on the bench. Deep down there is a love for Owen Farrell whether he feels that or not. I feel it, Owen. I feel it from you, mate, and I have gone for you as captain.
AG: Fly-half, I really wanted to go Finn, I really did, but I have gone Dan Biggar.
JH: I can agree, I can nod to that.
AG: I don’t think you can pick Owen Farrell on any form at all. If we’re going Test match animals, this is what Eddie Jones did, he picked what he thought was the right play whether they are playing well, in form, out of form, whatever, and that got England fifth place and our worst ever Six Nations. I couldn’t pick Owen Farrell because of that. Sexton got knocked out again at the weekend. I thought about going Sexton, but I have gone for Biggar at 10 and we’re not naming our bench but I would definitely go Finn Russell on the bench.
JH: Controversial unless you have gone for Faz at 12?
AG: Nope. My centre pairing, and again you can’t put someone like Manu Tuilagi in as he has not played yet, on form and on what we are going to face, I am going Robbie Henshaw and Jonathan Davies.
JH: Oh, so close. I have gone Robbie Henshaw and Chris Harris.
AG: I like Chris Harris, played with him at Newcastle.
JH: He’s big, he is physical… I sound horrible, Jonathan Davies, how fit is he? Chris Harris, I’ll stick to my guns.
AG: Wingers, Jim?
JH: I realised when I was putting these down that maybe I don’t know much about back play because I desperately wanted to put Keith Earls in because of how he has played but I didn’t. I went for Duhan van der Merwe and Liam Williams.
AG: No Louis Rees-Zammit?
JH: He’s on the bench? He’s coming on, he’s skinning Cheslin Kolbe when Ches has got a sore ankle.
AG: I have gone George North and Duhan van der Merwe. North was close to going in the centres with Henshaw but I love Jonathan Davies. He is a great player.
JH: And shall we just say the 15 together?
AG: It’s obvious, isn’t it, Stuart Hogg.
JH: Hogg, my old lid.
ANDY GOODE’S LIONS TEST XV
15. Stuart Hogg; 14. George North, 13. Jonathan Davies, 12. Robbie Henshaw, 11. Duhan van der Merwe; 10. Dan Biggar, 9. Conor Murray; 1. Wyn Jones, 2. Ken Owens, 3. Tadhg Furlong, 4. Maro Itoje, 5. Alun Wyn Jones (capt), 6. Tadhg Beirne, 7. Hamish Watson, 8. Taulupe Faletau.
JIM HAMILTON’S LIONS TEST XV
15. Stuart Hogg; 14. Liam Williams, 13. Chris Harris, 12. Robbie Henshaw, 11. Duhan van der Merwe; 10. Owen Farrell (capt), 9. Ali Price; 1. Wyn Jones, 2. Jamie George, 3. Tadhg Furlong, 4. Maro Itoje, 5. Iain Henderson, 6. Tadhg Beirne, 7. Hamish Watson, 8. Taulupe Faletau.
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Like others, I am not seeing the connection between this edition of the Crusaders and the All Blacks future prospects under Razor. I think the analysis of the Crusaders attack recently is helpful because Razor and his coaching team used to be able to slot new guys in to their systems and see them succeed. Several of Razor’s coaches are still there so it would be surprising if the current attack and set piece has been overhauled to a great extent - but based on that analysis, it may have been. Whether it is too many new guys due to injuries or retirement or a failure of current Crusaders systems is the main question to be answered imo. It doesn’t seem relevant for the ABs.
3 Go to commentsharry potter is set in stone. he creates stability and finishes well. exactly what schmidt likes. he’s the ben smith of australian rugby. i think it could quite easily be potter toole and kellaway for the foreseeable future.
5 Go to commentsThis is short sighted from Clayton if you ask me, smacks of too much preseason planning and no adaptability. What if DMac is out for a must win match, are they still only going to bring their best first five and playmaker on late in the game? Trusting the game to someone who wasn’t even part of planning (they would have had Trask pinned in as Jacomb preseason). Perhaps if the Crusaders were better they would not have done this, but either way imo you take this opportunity to play a guy you might need starting in a final rather than having their 12th game getting comfortable coming off the bench.
1 Go to commentsThanks Brett.. At last a positive article on the potential of Wallaby candidates, great to read. Schmidt’s record as an international rugby coach speaks for itself, I’m somewhat confident he will turn the Wallaby’s fortunes around …. on the field. It will be up to others to steady the ship off the paddock. But is there a flaw in my optimism? We have known all along that Australia has the players to be very competitive with their international rivals. We know that because everyone keeps telling us. So why the poor results? A question that requires a definitive answer before the turn around can occur. Joe Schmidt signed on for 2 years, time to encompass the Lions tour of 2025. By all accounts he puts family first and that’s fair enough, but I would wager that his 2 year contract will be extended if the next 18 months or so shows the statement “Australia has the players” proves to be correct. The new coach does not have a lot of time to meld together an outfit that will be competitive in the Rugby Championship - it will be interesting to see what happens. It will be interesting to see what happens with Giteau law, the new Wallaby coach has already verbalised that he would to prefer to select from those who play their rugby in Australia. His first test in charge is in July just over 3 months away .. not a long time. I for one wish him well .. heaven knows Australia needs some positive vibes.
21 Go to commentsWhat a load of bollocks. The author has forgotten to mention the fact that the Crusaders have a huge injury toll with top world class players out. Not to mention the fact that they are obviously in a transition period. No this will not spark a slow death for NZ rugby, but it does mean there will be a new Super Rugby champion. Anyone who knows anything about NZ rugby knows that there is some serious talent here, it just isn’t all at the Crusaders.
3 Go to commentsI wouldn’t spend the time on Nawaqanitawase! No point in having him filling in a jersey when he’s committed to leave Union. Give the jersey to a young prospect who will be here in the future.
5 Go to commentsIt was a pleasure to watch those guys playing with such confidence. That trio can all be infuriating for different reasons and I can see why Jones might have decided against them. No way to justify leaving Ikitau out though. Jorgensen and him were both scheduled to return at the same time. Only one of them plays for Randwick and has a dad who is great mates with the national coach though.
53 Go to commentsBrayden Iose and Peter Lakai are very exciting Super Rugby players but are too short and too light to ever be a Test 8 vs South Africa, France, Ireland, and England, Lakai could potentially be a Test player at 7 if he is allowed to focus on 7 for Hurricanes.
7 Go to commentsPencils “Thomas du Toit” into possible 2027 Bok squad.
1 Go to commentsDon’t see why Harrison makes the bench. Jones can play at 10 if needed, and there is a good case for starting her there to begin with if testing combinations. That would leave room for Sing on the bench
1 Go to commentsWhat a load of old bull!
1 Go to commentsOf the rugby I’ve born witness to in my lifetime - 1990 to date - I recognize great players throughout those years. But I have no doubt the game and the players are on average better today. So I doubt going back further is going to prove me wrong. The technical components of the game, set pieces, scrums, kicks, kicks at goal. And in general tactics employed are far more efficient, accurate and polished. Professional athletes that have invested countless hours on being accurate. There is one nation though that may be fairly competitive in any era - and that for me is the all blacks. And New Zealand players in general. NZ produces startling athletes who have fantastic ball skills. And then the odd phenomenon like Brooke. Lomu. Mcaw. Carter. Better than comparing players and teams across eras - I’ve often had this thought - that it would be very interesting to have a version of the game that is closer to its original form. What would the game look like today if the rules were rolled back. Not rules that promote safety obviously - but rules like: - a try being worth 1 point and conversion 2 points. Hence the term “try”. Earning a try at goals. Would we see more attacking play? - no lifting in the lineouts. - rucks and break down laws in general. They looked like wrestling matches in bygone eras. I wonder what a game applying 1995 rules would look like with modern players. It may be a daft exercise, but it would make for an interesting spectacle celebrating “purer” forms of the game that roll back the rules dramatically by a few versions. Would we come to learn that some of the rules/combinations of the rules we see today have actually made the game less attractive? I’d love to see an exhibition match like that.
29 Go to commentsIrish Rugby CEO be texting Andy Farrell “Andy, i found our next Kiwi Irishman”
5 Go to commentsI certainly don’t miss drinking beers at 8am in the morning watching rugby games being played in NZ.
1 Go to commentsThis looks like a damage limitation exercise for Wales, keeping back some of their more effective players for the last 20/25 minutes to try and counter England’s fresh legs so the Red Roses don’t rack up a big score.
1 Go to commentsVery unlikely the Bulls will beat Leinster in Dublin. It would be different in Pretoria.
1 Go to commentsI think it is a dangerous path to go down to ban a player for the same period that a player they injured takes to recover. Players would be afraid to tackle anyone. I once tackled my best friend at school in a practice match and sprained his ankle. I paid for it by having to play fly-half instead of full-back for the rest of that season’s fixtures.
5 Go to commentsJust such a genuine good bloke…and probably the best all round player in his generation. Good guys do come first sometimes and he handled the W.Cup loss with great attitude.
2 Go to commentsWord in France is that he’s on the radar of a few Top14 clubs.
5 Go to commentsGet blocking Travis, this guy has styles and he’s gonna make a swift impact…!
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