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Ian Foster is not the answer while NZR need to decide the fate of seven All Blacks

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND - SEPTEMBER 13: (L-R) Damian McKenzie, Ardie Savea, Jordie Barrett, Beauden Barrett and Scott Barrett of New Zealand stand together for the national anthem during The Rugby Championship match between New Zealand All Blacks and South Africa Springboks at Sky Stadium on September 13, 2025 in Wellington, New Zealand. (Photo by Joe Allison/Getty Images)

When Jordie Barrett was asked at a Hurricanes media event at NZCIS on Wednesday what accountability players take for the demise of Scott Robertson as All Blacks coach, the All Blacks vice-captain shut down the topic quicker than a surly Winston Peters. The press inquiries made less headway than Barrett did, running into Pieter-Steph du Toit during the 2023 Rugby World Cup final.

Robertson’s supposed character flaws, relationships with staff, and tactical and selection errors have faced intense scrutiny, revealing a muddled picture that NZR Chair David Kirk believed needed swifter action than his clearances from halfback as an All Black Rugby World Cup-winning captain in 1987.

What’s missing from the “Razor Rumble” is a closer microscope on the players, especially the senior leadership group, which remains largely unchanged since the chaotic start to the 2022 season.

Hamish Bidwell, Scotty Stevenson, Ben Smith and Mark Reason are scribes who have bucked this trend and raised some pertinent questions about players. Even former New Zealand Rugby Performance Coach and three-time Rugby World Cup winner “Professor”  Sir Wayne Smith said.

“Disaffected players speak behind your back and get to rubbish you, incognito, during end-of-campaign reviews…Social media, hidden behind nicknames and alter egos, can tear you apart without remorse.”

Intriguing, too, has been the revisionist history regarding Ian Foster’s coaching reign. Some have even suggested the Waikato battler should be reinstated as head coach, citing his considerable international experience and strong relationships with existing players.

While an advisory role wouldn’t be harmful, and one couldn’t help but be sympathetic to the appalling treatment he received from NZR when his job was under threat in 2022, it’s worth reminding ourselves that Foster had the worst winning percentage of any All Blacks coach in the professional era, with 32 wins from 46 Tests (69.56%). This includes a record of just five wins in 14 Tests against South Africa, France and Ireland, countries consistently ranked among the top three in the world during Foster’s tenure.

There has been no public comment from John Plumtree or Brad Mooar about why they were sacked as assistants in 2022. Perhaps this suggests they weren’t up to the task, but silence is not proof.

Furthermore, Foster was the first coach to lose a home series since 1994, when the All Blacks were beaten by Ireland in 2022. He was the first All Blacks coach to lose to Argentina on neutral soil and in New Zealand. He was the first All Blacks coach to lose a pool game after 31 matches in the Rugby World Cup. Additionally, the 27-13 defeat to France in 2023 was the All Blacks’ biggest loss at a Rugby World Cup.

Would a return to Ian Foster as head coach of the All Blacks be regressive?

The All Blacks were unquestionably better when Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt were installed as assistant coaches after the Irish series defeat in July 2022. The All Blacks’ record under Foster before the inclusion of Ryan and Schmidt was 16 wins, 7 defeats and a draw. This includes a hundred-point thrashing of Tonga and the USA and two half-centuries against Fiji.

The record after Ryan and Schmidt joined was 16 wins, five losses, and a draw. Though this includes drubbings of Uruguay, Namibia and Italy at the Rugby World Cup in 2023, two of the All Blacks’ best-ever wins were against South Africa at Ellis Park in Johannesburg in 2022 and against Ireland in the 2023 Rugby World Cup quarter-final. Without Ryan and Schmidt and Sir Wayne Smith and Sir Steve Hansen as assistants between 2012 and 2019, Foster’s record doesn’t stack up.

Robertson won 20 of 27 Tests but lost Leon MacDonald and Jason Holland as assistants. Many of the same inconsistencies from 2020 to 2023 continued under Razor. Since 2021, the All Blacks have been 4-7 against the Springboks.

Is there a staunch player clique holding the All Blacks back?

Is it time to give influential youngsters like Cam Roigard or Tupou Vaa’i, a former head prefect at Wesley College, greater leadership roles? Is the potential of players like Stephen Perrofea and Ruben Love being wasted by an ageing cohort?

Scott, Jordie and Beauden Barrett, Codie Taylor, Ardie Savea, Rieko Ioane and Anton Lienert-Brown are all players capped more than 50 times who have been part of the failed attempts to win the 2019 and 2023 Rugby World Cups.

These seven individuals have significant sway over All Blacks leadership and tactics. How do their performances rate since 2020?

Scott Barrett

Tests Since 2020: 53
Wins Since 2020: 39

Notes: The lock brings a physical edge to match his impressive work rate, but has a reputation for lacking discipline and is the only All Black sent off twice, the first time against Australia in Perth in 2019. While reliable in lineout play, he is not an extraordinary jumper like Maro Itoje.

Still, he’s part of a family that has played more than 300 Tests combined; the enormity of that contribution will be better appreciated once all three Barretts have retired. It took 567 Tests and 115 years for a trio of brothers to play together when Beauden, Scott and Jordie Barrett all played against France at Eden Park, Auckland in 2018.

Became All Blacks captain at the start of the Scott Robertson era in 2024 and has led his country to 14 wins in 20 Tests. This is the second-lowest winning percentage of any All Blacks captain with 20 Tests, except Taine Randall.

It’s been reported that Barrett is something of a reluctant captain. This was best illustrated by Mark Reason in his Stuff column, “The man who brought down Scott Robertston.”

Not only did Barrett preside over the Springboks’ 36-0 second-half in the All Blacks’ heaviest ever defeat in Wellington in 2025, but he also made some crucial errors in judgment in the loss to England, which cost the All Blacks a Grand Slam in November.

Barrett turned down two kickable penalties, allowed Cam Roigard to kick for touch from a penalty—a task he never performs and failed to achieve—and then instructed Leicester Fainga’anuku to pack down on a scrum when the All Blacks were down to 14 men. Reason wrote that those decisions resulted in something like a 20-point swing.

“It was heartbreaking. Scott Barrett is a fine soldier. You would want him in the trenches with you. But some are born to lead, some are born to follow. Siya Kolisi was born to lead, Scott Barrett was born to follow.”

Barrett is 4-7 against South Africa since 2021, has lost twice to Argentina, and lost two out of three against France. He was badly missed in the deciding Test against Ireland in Wellington in 2022.

Ardie Savea

Tests Since 2020: 62
Wins Since 2020: 41

The All Blacks Player of the Year in 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2025, Savea was also the Kelvin Tremain Memorial Player of the Year in 2019, 2023, and 2025. He has started 46 of the last 50 Tests and is unquestionably the best player in New Zealand. He holds the All Blacks record for most Test tries by a forward with 31.

His inspirational captaincy of Moana Pasifika in Super Rugby Pacific in 2025, when the struggling franchise doubled its victories from 2024, showcased the kind of high-energy leadership Savea can provide.

Yet as All Blacks captain, he has the same winning percentage as Scott Barrett, with two of his seven wins against hapless Namibia and Italy at the 2023 Rugby World Cup. The collapse against Argentina in Wellington in 2024 happened on Savea’s watch.

What possibilities exist with Savea as a regular skipper? He has been a captain since high school, and several players and pundits speak of his natural leadership.

Could Savea’s occasionally outspoken social media ruffle too many feathers among officialdom, sponsors, and teammates?

Savea is a disciplined and consistent player, though he is the only one in this list to feature in all seven defeats against South Africa, four against Argentina, and three each against Ireland and France since 2021.

All Blacks Tests Captained By Ardie Savea

2021: South Africa, 19-17
2021: South Africa, 29-31
2023: Australia, 38-7
2023: France, 13-27
2023: Namibia, 71-3
2023: Italy, 96-17
2024: Argentina, 30-38
2024: Argentina, 42-10
2025: France, 43-17
2025: France, 29-19

Beauden Barrett

Tests Since 2020: 61
Wins Since 2020: 43

Notes: From his debut for the All Blacks in 2012 through 2019, Barrett won 72 of 83 Tests (86.74%). In the last six seasons, his winning percentage dropped to 70.49%.

While Barrett is still capable of brilliant moments like his display in the 2023 Rugby World Cup quarter-final against Ireland, he is a shadow of the player who won World Rugby Player of the Year in 2016 and 2017.

At 34, he has lost some of the blistering pace that marked his early career.

The All Blacks’ declining try statistics illustrate their loss of edge. While this cannot be pinned entirely on Barrett as a central playmaker, he has a major stake in the attack.

The All Blacks scored 287 tries between 2016 and 2019. Between 2022 and 2025, they scored 227 tries. In 2025, they scored 50 tries in 13 Tests, with 21 against the weakened French tourists and eight against hapless Wales, who managed four tries.

Since 2020, while playing first-five-eighth, Ireland has beaten Barrett in four matches between 2021 and 2022. Barrett has lost three of his last four Tests as a starting ten against South Africa.

Damian McKenzie started 10 Tests at first-five eighth in 2024 and won seven, losing twice to South Africa. Barrett had the same record in 2025, though he was an assured presence in the 24-17 win against South Africa at Eden Park, which preserved the All Blacks’ 52-game unbeaten streak at the fabled venue since 1994.

As a starting fullback, Barrett was successful at the 2023 Rugby World Cup, but he has only won 15 of 22 Tests, which is more than ten per cent below his career winning average.

McKenzie has won eight of nine Tests as starting fullback, though that includes three against Australia, two against Fiji, and wins over the USA and Uruguay.

By the end of 2023, Barrett had been a replacement in 40 Tests and lost only once. His most memorable contributions include scoring a try in the 2015 Rugby World Cup final and 26 points against Wales in 2016.

Barrett reprised his super sub exploits in a 24-17 salvage job against England at Eden Park in 2025, but he could not make an impact in an 18-12 loss to the Springboks in Cape Town in 2024. The All Blacks did not score a try.

Who is better suited to the super sub role now? McKenzie and Barrett offer similar attributes. McKenzie’s sideline conversion against England to win at Twickenham in late 2024 and his try against Scotland at Murrayfield in 2025 might tip the scales in the Chiefs talisman’s favour.

Jordie Barrett

Tests Since 2020: 61
Wins Since 2020: 42

Notes: Had moments like kicking a long-range penalty to win the All Blacks the 100th test against the Springboks in 2021 and scoring a try on the hooter to win a Bledisloe Cup Test against Australia in Melbourne in 2023. His ability to cover multiple positions in the backline is appealing.

Became a regular second-fifth-eighth in 2023, and his presence in midfield bolstered the All Blacks at the 2023 Rugby World Cup. Of the 28 tackles man of the match Pieter-Steph du Toit made in the Rugby World Cup final, nine were on Barrett. The conditions were tricky, but could there have been some adjustment to the attack?

Barrett was 14-6 in the 12 jersey under Scott Robertson, and the All Blacks scored fewer tries in 2024 than in 2025. Barrett is 4-7 against the Springboks since 2021.

Rieko Ioane

Tests Since 2020: 60
Wins Since 2020: 41

Notes: Rieko Ioane was one of the hottest commodities in international rugby when he burst on the scene a decade ago. In his first 18 Tests as a winger, he scored 18 tries, winning World Rugby Breakthrough Player of the Year in 2017 and nominated for World Player of the Year in 2018.

In his last 70 Tests, Ioane has scored 21 tries, and there was a horror barren streak in all first-class rugby where he played 44 games and scored just three tries.

Do his declining scoring stats illustrate a diminishing vibrancy?

Ioane started four Tests on the wing in 2021 before he was shifted to centre for the last two Tests of that season, losses to Ireland and France. Except for two appearances off the bench, Ioane remained the starting centre for 33 consecutive Tests between 2022 and 2024. There was a mesmerising display in the 35-23 win against South Africa at Ellis Park in 2022, a victory that saved Ian Foster’s job. Ioane’s defensive qualities are highly regarded, but his regular tenure at centre coincides with a decline in the All Blacks’ attacking productivity.

In 2025, he was shifted back to the wing for four Tests, a move that failed. Ioane has lost pace, and the current role of a winger demands a player who can defuse high kicks and kick themselves. Ioane played only half of the All Blacks’ 2025 Tests.

Can the 28-year-old get a new lease of life after his sabbatical with Leinster, which has started with six consecutive wins?

Anton Lienert-Brown

Tests Since 2020: 45
Wins Since 2020: 31

Notes: Lienert-Brown has missed 39% of all possible Tests since 2020 and has been a substitute 22 times in the Tests he’s played in this period. Injury has significantly reduced his role, though he featured in all 14 Tests in 2024.

David Havili, Braydon Ennor, Billy Proctor, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Quinn Tupaea are among those who have played in midfield, and, with the exception of Tupaea, who had a strong 2025, all have failed to nail down a position or have been given limited opportunities to excel. Is that a reflection of the discarded’s lack of impact or a sturdy Lierent-Brown?

Lienert-Brown won 35 of his first 44 Tests and was noted for his solid defence and ability to create holes with his offloading. He struggled to recapture his early spark? He was hobbling to the finish line in 2025.

Codie Taylor

Tests Since 2020: 56
Wins Since 2020: 40

Despite stiff competition from Dane Coles until 2019 and explosive talents Asafo Aumua and Samisoni Taukei’aho, Taylor has got better as he’s got older.

His first half-century with 39 wins in 50 Tests was impressive. He was a member of the 2015 Rugby World Cup squad.

The next 56 Tests, except for an absolute shocker in a 25-18 loss to Argentina in Christchurch in 2022 and a costly yellow card against England in 2025, have largely been excellent.

Taylor has an exceptional work rate and a knack for scoring tries, with 23 in 106 Tests, equal to Dane Coles.

At the 2023 Rugby World Cup, the All Blacks boasted a 98.1% success rate leading into the semi-final, having failed to retain only one of 52 throws. In the semi-final, they were 10/12 and in the final 20/22.

In 2024, the All Blacks won 86% of their throws, which was more than their opponents. In 2025, the All Blacks lineout won 182 throws and lost only 27.

“Cody’s 8%” has largely hit the mark.

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Over the sideline 5 days ago

I liked Kerr-Barlow. Real tough guy. Took no crap. TJ was similar but probably didn’t have the skill level Tawera had. I value loyalty a lot and TJ showed that in spades. I rate Smith as our best 9 ever.

GP is a good 9 but not a great. Him and Lowe seem to carry an anti NZR chip where Aki shows great respect.

Would GP have taken Tawara's spot? Well he didn’t and so he left for Iteland.

I believe Roigard and Hothem will be our long-term combo with Some good backup like Preston and Ratima.

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GS 5 days ago

Just saw a master class from GP, playing for Ireland and thought he out-pointed Dupont, in France - imagine him and Roigard - one starting and one on the bench - probably start with GP, better kicking game, which is important in today’s game and then bring Roigard on, to break the game open.


And a final point in this discussion around selecting overseas players - clearly, you rate TJ, fine, because he was a fine AB. So how did you feel last year when, in the Boks series, we rolled out at 9 - Christie, Holtham, and Kyle Preston as Roigard was injured?


Meanwhile, in Japan, we have Smith and TJ, and then even Kerr-Barlow, still producing the goods in France - so reality is that the best Kiwi half-backs would probably rank:


Roigard

GP/Smith

TJ

Kerr-Barlow

Christie

Holtham

Preston


So, in effect, we had the 6th/7th-ranked Kiwi halfback starting for the ABs.


I wonder if, in the loss in Wellington by a record score, no less, where the ABs started Holtham and Christie on the bench, imagine a world where we had Smith or TJ on the bench for their experience?


Wonder if they could have changed the game by bringing all their experience and game mgmt skills - we won’t know, but it is an interesting thought.


That’s the difference between your and mine view, you will come out and declare that you are happy we started those players, and in effect accept that we lost by a record margin, and you are OK with that loss because even though we are playing lesser players in an AB jumper, that by doing so it will protect the game in NZ.


I, on the other hand, don’t care where a player plays - I just want the best players representing the ABs, and I want to win everygame.


I’m not prepared to see the ABs lose when I know there are better players elsewhere and who should be selected.

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Blackmania 5 days ago

The return of Ian Foster… is this a joke? Pfff…

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PMcD 5 days ago

Great analysis,

I know there is still some debate regarding if Razor’s AB’s were performing or not, so I just looked at the average points over time (on both sides of the ball) to see if it highlighted anything and it certainly makes for some interesting reading;


2019 - Played 11, PF 440 (ave 40), PA 158 (ave 14) - PD + 282


2020 - Played 6, PF PF 145 (ave 25), PA 77 (ave 13) - PD +68


2021 - Played 11, PF 495 (ave 45), PA 205 (ave 19) - PD +290


2022 - Played 13, PF 420 (ave 32), PA 304 (ave 23) - PD + 116


2023 - Played 12, PF 480 (ave 40), PA 183 (ave 15) = PD +297


2024 - Played 14, PF 431 (ave 30), PA 270 (ave 19) = PD +161


2025 - Played 13, PF 384 (ave ave 29), PA 303 (ave 23) - PD +81

* the attack struggled from the 2nd ARG match in TRC


If you simply look at averages since the 2nd ARG TRC game, the stats say the following:


2025 - Played 9, PF 240 (ave 26), PA 216 (ave 24)


In fairness, whilst you look at Razor’s win rate percentage it didn’t look too bad but when you look at these averages, you can see why they ultimately said “trajectory’.


The numbers don’t lie, Razor inhered a good side in 2023 (on both sides of the ball) and they were getting worse on both sides of the ball since 2023, with some tough numbers since the ARG loss during TRC, which actually falls in with the narrative regarding trajectory but whilst the attack was getting worse, it may ultimately have been the defence that cost him his job this season.


When you look at ti through this lens, it certainly adds a slightly different narrative to the debate on why Razor was removed.

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Over the sideline 6 days ago

You’re being silly now. TJ is still a test player who played bucket loads more tests than Gibson park ever will.

How do you compare any player or team. You do the stats. GP isn’t even a 50 trst player, got REJECTED by his home nation, had to go to Ireland before he could even get a start in test rugby.

Yep TJ does a Haka. GP does one too probably.but mostly he just crys after games where is was done against him. You want apples with apples then TJ has done DOUBLE what GP has. Gibson park settled for an inferior team because that’s who he is. It suits him and his ability. Win a WC? Try getting past a quarter final. Even in Ireland’s best ever period they have still lost 4 of 7 since GP debuted.

Bundi Aki was far closer to being an AB than GP ever was. I respect Aki. I just rate GP as a player who couldn’t make it in NZ ( he played 8 times for the Maori ABs and never even got looked at for the ABs.)

You respect a man who had to go play for a weaker nation to get a test, I'll stick with the guy who played basically double what the rejected AB in GP did.

GP is a good enough player, but just like Brad Shields, he would never have been an AB so he had to change sides to get a test jumper.

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SM 6 days ago

Let's face it the ABS went woke, sack everyone and start again, l bet Reiko and his Chiefs mates we’re moaning little you know what's. Biggest mistake Robinson made was not dropping the underperformers.

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John Campbell 6 days ago

Why are the NZ fans so quiet. Surely they realize something is wrong and their input should be heard and respected by the officials?!

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TT 6 days ago

The great rugby team selection value MYTH of continuity & experience.


Its low value proven by the fact of poor performance of experienced ABs cards & not playing 80min.


Yes SOME experience obviously needed BUT,


Proper performance based selection of SRP players is the answer.


eg Early & final SRP25 perf data showed many ABs weren't performing (eg B.Barrett, Ioane, ALB, even Reece despite all his tries (NOTE, post the tactics that got him there)) ... yet selected, ie until Razor gang woke up belated & started DE-selecting eg Ioane, ALB, even Reece.


Then ALB & Havili? I mean seriously. Near zero impact. In fact negative with Havili.


Then Barrett as captain makes some crucial errors. & meltdowns ie


Barrett preside over the Springboks’ 36-0 second-half in the All Blacks’ heaviest ever defeat in Wellington in 2025


Proper performance based selection of SRP players for the ABs is the answer.


NOT & NEVER continuity & experience; that just continues ABs decline since 2016.

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TT 6 days ago

NZR’s previous AB coach Razor decision & case correct & closed.


AB coach applications officially closed for all & any SUITABLE & SUCCESSFULLY experienced candidates.


Anyone suggesting Foster for head coach again? Seriously?


But, if available to advise, insane to ignore his experience. & Hansens.


AND try again on win%.


Endlessly repeated is ridiculous win% counts that ridiculously include the lop sided games V non top 10 ( eg pre-00’s Italy & Arg, Japan & currently Wales & what France currently can only muster as in its international team ir France's 2025 B/C).


Count again, this time with some proper QUALITATIVE CORRECTING,

i.e. ignoring draws (cos they not wins!) & the most obvious, lop sided games mentioned.


Therefore the REALITY, for those nervous nellys or simply can't count & not yet applauding Kirk/NZR 's correct decision, ie after 2yrs, ending with little support of AB players & ‘worst in pro era results’ correctly got sacked;


( The following data corrected for ALL pro-era AB coaches ie again ignoring draws & games V non top as above.)


Therefore Data= (in order) ‘Coach, p=Total Played, m=Minors, w&l= no. of wins & losses, w=Wins, l=Loss, w%=Win/Loss%’ + RWC perf )

[No not always easy to read!]


Steve Hansen p107 - m12 - d4 - w&l91 - w81 - l10 - wl%89.0% - 1of2 RWCs.


Given RWC winning team [but also helped develop them]. RWC15 win. Faded (v Ireland, Lions, RWC19).


Graham Henry p103 - m11 - d0 - w&l92 - w77 - l15 - wl%83.7% - 1of2 RWCs.


Forgiven for bad RWC07.


John Mitchell p25 - m5 - d1 - w&l19 - w15 - l4 - wl%78.9% - 0of1 RWCs.


Enough games? Paid for bad RWC03.


Wayne Smith p10 - m1 - d0 - w&l9 - w7 - l2 - wl%77.8%


Enough games?


John Hart p56- m9 - d1 - w&l46 - w33 - l13 - wl%71.7%


Given RWC95 ‘shoda’ won team. Bad RWC99.


Ian Foster p46 - m5 - d2 - w&l39 - w27 - l12 - wl%69.2%


Given a tired ABs post RWC19. 1off RWC23 win [thanks TMO] with 14players!


Robertson p27 - m5 - d0 - w&l22 - w15 - l7 - wl%68.2%


= pro era lowest.


Given most of ‘1off RWC win team’ from Foster.


Again, NZR’s previous AB coach Razor decision & case correct & closed.

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Hammer Head 6 days ago

While NZ works on appointing a new coach…


News reports indicate that Rassie and co. are hard at work planning the logistics around the knockout stages of the 2027 World Cup.

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vr 6 days ago

Love the article - clear, no emotions, everyone make his/her own position to the written - just fact, nothing personal.


I agree with some comment - looking on the statistics, yet not all leadership is mentioned - most of them are, rather were good a while ago and there is none progressing in the right direction since 2020 - which includes two head coaches and a number of assistants. Could it be the problem and not the results of the bad coaching?


Well still selection and appointing the leaders is what the coaches and selectors been paid for.


My take from it - we need a new leadership group, yet to get or make one - is probably the most tough task of the head coach.

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rs 6 days ago

Largely a dumb article, you can use statistics to support any argument. You can use statistics to appoint AI as a coach with a 0% loss record.


Whether you like it or not, Fossie has finals experience that the other condenders don’t have.


Yes his record wasn’t great with mediocore assistants, but it’s not like Rassie surrounds himself with incompetent assistants. He gets the best.


NZ head coaches had limited options with the way NZ appointed head coaches and their support staff. Fossie chose who was available at the time, not his preferences.

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SK 7 days ago

The players were partially responsible for Razors demise but the buck stops with the coach. The players are an important part of the equation but the coach needs to get them pulling in the same direction. All these lads have been together through the best and worst of times and that experience is important. Beauden should be considered a bench player at most going forward, he can add tremendous value coming on in the last 15 to 20mins of matches. The rest of these guys are reliable performers and should make up the backbone of the side that goes to 2027. Savea is the obvious choice for captain. His power and ability to inspire his side is what stands above the rest. Scott Barrett has been an ineffective leader but remains a key figure. The All Blacks need a coach that can get the most out of these players. If they can find that and get the leadership group to gel and pull in the same direction then theres no reason why they cant win the whole world cup.

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