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Joe Schmidt offers comforting words to 'long time' rival Warren Gatland

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Joe Schmidt head coach of Ireland (L) speaks with Warren Gatland head coach of Wales prior to the Guinness Six Nations match between Wales and Ireland at Principality Stadium on March 16, 2019 in Cardiff, Wales. (Photo by Michael Steele/Getty Images)

Australia head coach Joe Schmidt feels that “anyone can have a lean spell” when teams are in transition periods.

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The Wallabies will send Autumn Nations Series opponents Wales crashing to an all time low of 11 successive Test defeats if they win Sunday’s clash in Cardiff.

Wales have not won a Test match since the 2023 World Cup as head coach Warren Gatland continues his attempts to mould a new squad.

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There are mitigating factors, with players such as Alun Wyn Jones, Justin Tipuric, Dan Biggar, George North, Ken Owens and Gareth Davies all retiring from international rugby during the past 18 months, while Louis Rees-Zammit went to the NFL and injuries have severely hampered the likes of Taulupe Faletau and Josh Adams.

Gatland has also capped more than 20 players since returning for a second stint in charge ahead of the 2023 Six Nations, but Test results still stand out like a sore thumb: played 22, won six, lost 16.

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Australia suffered a 40-6 thumping against Wales at the last World Cup, with head coach Eddie Jones leaving two months later and former Ireland boss Schmidt being appointed as his successor.

It has been far from plain sailing for Australia, with the Wallabies losing five of their six Rugby Championship games under Schmidt, but they claimed a 2-0 summer Test series triumph against Wales and posted a statement victory over England last time out.

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“You are on this treadmill and you are so busy trying to take care of your own world,” Schmidt said.

“I’ve known Gats for a long time. He was obviously highly successful in his previous tenure with Wales.

“I think anyone can have a lean spell when teams are transitioning. I look at some of the players he had when I first started competing with Ireland against Wales.

“There were some good players there – so many of them that really made it tough. It didn’t matter what position, there were some really good players in those positions.

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“I think they have got some really good players now. Adam Beard is a really good athlete – I think both second rows are strong – someone like Jac Morgan is so tough on the ball, Aaron Wainwright was a bit of a handful for us in the first Test (in the summer) before he got hurt.

“Dewi Lake, for a young hooker, led superbly. You’ve got guys like that. I think there is a period of time that it takes for them to adjust to Test rugby.

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“That is part of that transition that I guess Gats is trying to accelerate at the moment.

“For us, I think we’ve had 17 or 18 debutants this year. We are a little bit in a similar situation.”

Schmidt has made six changes from the side that accounted for England, including exciting midfield prospect Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii moving out of the starting XV and joining Schmidt’s replacements.

Samu Kerevi replaces Suaalii, while prop Allan Alaalatoa starts as captain with Harry Wilson being sidelined due to concussion.

Wilson’s absence from the back row means a first Test start for flanker Seru Uru, with Rob Valetini moving across to number eight, while lock Will Skelton, scrum-half Nic White and wing Max Jorgensen also feature.

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JW 1 hour ago
The All Blacks don't need overseas-based players

I'm not sure you realise how extreme it is, previously over half of SR players ended up overseas. These days just over half finish their career at home (some of those might carry on in lower leagues around the world).


1. Look at a player like Mo'unga who took time to become comfortable at his max level, thrust a player like that in well above his level, something Farrell is possibly doing now with Pendergrast, and you fail to maximise your player base as a whole. I don't think you realise the balance in NZ, without controlling who can leave there is indeed right now an immediate risk from any further pressure on the balance. We are not as flush as a country like South Africa I can't imagine (look at senior mens numbers).


2. Your idea excludes foreign fans, not the current status, their global 1.8mil base (find a recent article about it) will dwindle. Our clubs don't compete against each other, it's a central model were all players have a flat max 200k contribution. NZR decides who is worth keeping for the ABs in a very delicate balance of who to let go and who not. Might explain why our Wellington game wasn't a sellout.


3. Players aren't going to play for their country for nothing while other players are getting a million dollars. How much does SARU pay or reimburse their players?


4. I don't believe that at all. Everything so far has pointed to becoming an AB as the 'profile' winner. Comms love telling their fans some 'lucky' 1 cap guy is an "All Black" and the audience goes woooh!

The reality is much more likely to be more underwhelming

But the repercussions are end game, so why is it worth the risk?

Hardly be poaching uni or school boys.

This comment is so out of touch with rugby in NZ.

European comps aren't exactly known for poaching unproven talent ie SR or up not down to NPC.

So, so out of touch. Never heard of Jamison Gibson-Park, or Bundee Aki, or Chandler Cunningham-South, what about Uino Atonio? Numerous kiwi kids, like Warner Dearns, are playing in Japan having left after some stardom in school rugby here. Over a third of the NRL (so basically a third of the URC) are Kiwis who likely been scouted playing rugby at school. France have recently started in that path with Patrick Tuifua, and you hear loosely about good kids taking up offers to go overseas for basic things like school/uni (avg age 20+), similar to what attracts island kids to NZ.


But that's getting off track, it's too far in the future for you to conceptualize in this discussion. Where here because you think you know what it's like to need to select overseas based players, because of similarities like NZ and SA both having systems that funnel players into as few teams as possible in order to make them close to international quality, while also having a semi pro domestic league that produces an abundance of that talent, all the while facing similar financial predicaments. I'm not using extremes like some do, to scare monger away from making any changes. I am highlighting where the advantages don't cross over to the NZ game like the do for South Africa.


So while you are right in a lot of respects, some things that the can be taken for granted, is that if not more players leave, higher calibre players definitely will, and that is going to weaken the domestic competitions global reach, which will make it much hard to keep up or overtake the rest of the world. To put it simply, the domestic game is the future. International rugby is maxed out already, and the game here somehow needs to double it's revenue.


This is what you need to align your pitch with. Not being able to select players from overseas, because there are only ever one or two of those players. Sometimes even no one who'd be playing overseas and good enough for the ABs. You might be envisioning the effects of extremes, because it's hard to know just how things change slightly, but you know it's not going to be good.

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