'We'll all be in for a helluva journey': Ex-All Blacks legend weighs in on coaching debate
May the best man win.
That is the view of former All Blacks lock and SKY TV rugby analyst Ian Jones as we count down to the (probable) announcement next week of the new All Blacks coaching team.
Despite 26 coaches being shoulder-tapped to apply for the vacant position, it appears it is now a two-horse race between 2012-19 All Blacks assistant coach Ian Foster and 2017-19 Super Rugby-winning Crusaders coach Scott Robertson.
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“Ultimately, I’ll back whoever gets the job. I played with Fozzie at the Chiefs and with Razor at the All Blacks. I’m adamant that I’ll support whoever it is 100 percent,” says Jones.
“You’ve got the established, the status quo, with Fozzie. He’s a details man. The players know where they stand with him and the direction they are heading. It looks like the team he is putting together is New Zealand to the core.
“On the flip side, Steve Hansen told us that Foster was coaching at the peak of his powers and yet we got spanked by England. If he’s at the top of his game, is he going to improve? That might be a wake-up call. Hansen’s record was amazing, but you need to look at the last two years from the Lions tour. What did we learn from the losses and how did we improve? Foster was part of all that.”
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Robertson represents the new breed with a new broom. The last time New Zealand Rugby made a clean break with the previous regime was in 2003-04 when Graham Henry ousted John Mitchell.
“He will bring a new direction and purpose. That’s exciting for the public, because this is New Zealand’s team, not just the union’s. NZR is a conservative lot historically and they haven’t often deviated from that status quo. If it’s Razor, then we’ll all be in for a helluva journey, and that will be exciting too,” says Jones.
He acknowledged the importance of having the right running mates. Failure to nail down that detail cost Robbie Deans when he applied for the All Blacks job in 2007. Scott McLeod, who did sterling work with the All Blacks’ defence in 2019, will surely feature in the thoughts of either Foster or Robertson.
“I don’t have the inside oil on who Razor’s running mates are, but there was talk of Ronan O’Gara. Mick Byrne’s been a resource coach for the All Blacks in the past and no disrespect to O’Gara, who’s clearly a very good coach, but do we need a non-New Zealander among the coaches?”
It’s a fair question.
Jones does not see anything abnormal in having 26 original candidates whittled down to two credible contenders. Several withdrew from the running, of course.
“I was excited by the potential of Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown, but that didn’t pan out. That hard-nosed directness of Jamie and the inventiveness of Brown might have been a good fit. The option of Razor to change direction might be a good thing, but it will come down to who his team is.”
“Calling on several candidates to apply is the way they’ve always done it. Back in the day, they always contacted all the NPC coaches to apply. When Brad Meurant was with North Harbour, he was flown down to Wellington for an interview. I don’t criticise them for shoulder-tapping all the people they have, because you never know until you ask sometimes.”
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Jones played under three All Blacks coaches – Alex ‘Grizz’ Wyllie, Laurie Mains and John Hart. The latter was knocked back three times before finally ascending to the position in 1996, the right man to lead the All Blacks into the professional age. But he missed out in 1987, 1991 and again in 1994, when he challenged Mains after a mediocre All Blacks’ season.
The issue of senior player consultation is an interesting one and Jones has firm views on that.
“I was never asked my opinion as a senior player when they were choosing a new coach. I don’t know if you should be, either. Human nature dictates that you say what suits you the best. Coach A picked me and knows my style, so of course I’ll go with him every day of the week. It puts the players in an awkward position. At the end of the day, it’s an employment situation and you don’t get to pick who your boss is going to be,” says Jones.
“Having said that, input from departing senior players (such as Kieran Read and Ben Smith) and management will be crucial,” says Jones.
Interviews are expected to take place next week in Wellington.
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This is short sighted from Clayton if you ask me, smacks of too much preseason planning and no adaptability. What if DMac is out for a must win match, are they still only going to bring their best first five and playmaker on late in the game? Trusting the game to someone who wasn’t even part of planning (they would have had Trask pinned in as Jacomb preseason). Perhaps if the Crusaders were better they would not have done this, but either way imo you take this opportunity to play a guy you might need starting in a final rather than having their 12th game getting comfortable coming off the bench.
1 Go to commentsThanks Brett.. At last a positive article on the potential of Wallaby candidates, great to read. Schmidt’s record as an international rugby coach speaks for itself, I’m somewhat confident he will turn the Wallaby’s fortunes around …. on the field. It will be up to others to steady the ship off the paddock. But is there a flaw in my optimism? We have known all along that Australia has the players to be very competitive with their international rivals. We know that because everyone keeps telling us. So why the poor results? A question that requires a definitive answer before the turn around can occur. Joe Schmidt signed on for 2 years, time to encompass the Lions tour of 2025. By all accounts he puts family first and that’s fair enough, but I would wager that his 2 year contract will be extended if the next 18 months or so shows the statement “Australia has the players” proves to be correct. The new coach does not have a lot of time to meld together an outfit that will be competitive in the Rugby Championship - it will be interesting to see what happens. It will be interesting to see what happens with Giteau law, the new Wallaby coach has already verbalised that he would to prefer to select from those who play their rugby in Australia. His first test in charge is in July just over 3 months away .. not a long time. I for one wish him well .. heaven knows Australia needs some positive vibes.
21 Go to commentsWhat a load of bollocks. The author has forgotten to mention the fact that the Crusaders have a huge injury toll with top world class players out. Not to mention the fact that they are obviously in a transition period. No this will not spark a slow death for NZ rugby, but it does mean there will be a new Super Rugby champion. Anyone who knows anything about NZ rugby knows that there is some serious talent here, it just isn’t all at the Crusaders.
2 Go to commentsI wouldn’t spend the time on Nawaqanitawase! No point in having him filling in a jersey when he’s committed to leave Union. Give the jersey to a young prospect who will be here in the future.
4 Go to commentsIt was a pleasure to watch those guys playing with such confidence. That trio can all be infuriating for different reasons and I can see why Jones might have decided against them. No way to justify leaving Ikitau out though. Jorgensen and him were both scheduled to return at the same time. Only one of them plays for Randwick and has a dad who is great mates with the national coach though.
53 Go to commentsBrayden Iose and Peter Lakai are very exciting Super Rugby players but are too short and too light to ever be a Test 8 vs South Africa, France, Ireland, and England, Lakai could potentially be a Test player at 7 if he is allowed to focus on 7 for Hurricanes.
7 Go to commentsPencils “Thomas du Toit” into possible 2027 Bok squad.
1 Go to commentsDon’t see why Harrison makes the bench. Jones can play at 10 if needed, and there is a good case for starting her there to begin with if testing combinations. That would leave room for Sing on the bench
1 Go to commentsWhat a load of old bull!
1 Go to commentsOf the rugby I’ve born witness to in my lifetime - 1990 to date - I recognize great players throughout those years. But I have no doubt the game and the players are on average better today. So I doubt going back further is going to prove me wrong. The technical components of the game, set pieces, scrums, kicks, kicks at goal. And in general tactics employed are far more efficient, accurate and polished. Professional athletes that have invested countless hours on being accurate. There is one nation though that may be fairly competitive in any era - and that for me is the all blacks. And New Zealand players in general. NZ produces startling athletes who have fantastic ball skills. And then the odd phenomenon like Brooke. Lomu. Mcaw. Carter. Better than comparing players and teams across eras - I’ve often had this thought - that it would be very interesting to have a version of the game that is closer to its original form. What would the game look like today if the rules were rolled back. Not rules that promote safety obviously - but rules like: - a try being worth 1 point and conversion 2 points. Hence the term “try”. Earning a try at goals. Would we see more attacking play? - no lifting in the lineouts. - rucks and break down laws in general. They looked like wrestling matches in bygone eras. I wonder what a game applying 1995 rules would look like with modern players. It may be a daft exercise, but it would make for an interesting spectacle celebrating “purer” forms of the game that roll back the rules dramatically by a few versions. Would we come to learn that some of the rules/combinations of the rules we see today have actually made the game less attractive? I’d love to see an exhibition match like that.
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5 Go to commentsI certainly don’t miss drinking beers at 8am in the morning watching rugby games being played in NZ.
1 Go to commentsThis looks like a damage limitation exercise for Wales, keeping back some of their more effective players for the last 20/25 minutes to try and counter England’s fresh legs so the Red Roses don’t rack up a big score.
1 Go to commentsVery unlikely the Bulls will beat Leinster in Dublin. It would be different in Pretoria.
1 Go to commentsI think it is a dangerous path to go down to ban a player for the same period that a player they injured takes to recover. Players would be afraid to tackle anyone. I once tackled my best friend at school in a practice match and sprained his ankle. I paid for it by having to play fly-half instead of full-back for the rest of that season’s fixtures.
5 Go to commentsJust such a genuine good bloke…and probably the best all round player in his generation. Good guys do come first sometimes and he handled the W.Cup loss with great attitude.
2 Go to commentsWord in France is that he’s on the radar of a few Top14 clubs.
5 Go to commentsGet blocking Travis, this guy has styles and he’s gonna make a swift impact…!
1 Go to commentsWhat remorse? She claimed that her dangerous tackle wasn’t worthy of a red! She should be compensating the injured player for loss of earnings at the minimum. Her ban should include the recovery time of the injured player as well as the paltry 3 match ban.
5 Go to commentsArdie is a legend. Finished and klaar. Two things: “Yeah, yeah, I have had a few conversations with Razor just around feedback on my game and what I am doing well, what I need to improve on or work-ons. It’s kind of been minimal, mate, but it’s all that I need over here in terms of how to be better, how to get better and what I am doing well.” I hope he’s downplaying it - and that it’s not that “minimal”. The amount of communication and behind the scenes preparation the Bok coaches put into players - Rassie and co would be all over Ardie and being clear on what is expected of him. This stands out for me as something teams should really be looking at in terms of the boks success from a coaching point of view. And was surprised by the comment - “minimal”. In terms of the “debate” around Ireland and South Africa. Nice one Ardie. Indeed. There’s no debate.
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