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Size differences in scrum-halves across the Premiership, PRO14 and Top14
Scrum-half is one of the positions in a XV that has certain stereotypes and traits. There is a notion of what a player in this position should look like compared to others where there is more diversity. Across the backline, there can be an astonishing gulf in height and weight between two opposing players of the same position.
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While that is less common with those wearing the No9 shirt, there are indeed differences.
Comparing the height and weight of players in Europe’s top three leagues, the Top 14, the Gallagher Premiership and the Guinness Pro14, helps in providing a clear-eyed summary of these differences.
The best round of fixtures to compare each league was probably the first weekend in January, which was sufficiently spaced between the Rugby World Cup and the Six Nations, before European fixtures and before the COVID-19 pandemic suspended all play.
As it turns out, this hiatus midway through the season has meant some players have already left their clubs ahead of the new Top 14 season, or the resumption of the Premiership and Pro14. The majority of the players are still with the same clubs, and their statistics have been taken from their club’s website.
Across the three leagues, the average height of scrum-halves barely wavers. Both the French and English leagues’ players were an average height of 1.76m (5ft 9ins), while the players in the Pro14 were 1.77m (5ft 10ins).
Scrum-halves are traditionally the smallest players on the field, although there are exceptions, so these heights are not that surprising, neither is the fact that there is little differentiation between the leagues.
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This is a position where the height of a player is critical with regards to the speed at which the ball is delivered from the floor. Consequently, there were only five players who were 1.8m or over across all three leagues, which demonstrates the predilection in the game to opt for shorter players, and why therefore there is a lot of similarity in approach.
There is, however, some contrast when looking at the weight of scrum-halves, which can essentially be boiled down to France versus ‘the rest’.
No9s in the Top14 were 79kgs (12st 6lbs) on average, compared to the Premiership and the Pro14, which were both 5kgs heavier on average at 84kgs (13st 3lbs).
This is a sizeable distinction between France and the other leagues, which comprise six different rugby-playing countries, but it is one that adheres to the Gallic custom in this position.
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As packs have grown in size progressively over the years, so have scrum-halves, allowing them to remain competitive and pose a threat around the breakdown. Both the Premiership and Pro14 are littered with players that seek to cause trouble around the fringes of the ruck. Conor Murray, the tallest and heaviest scrum-half in Europe on this weekend, is particularly dangerous, and his haul of 14 Test tries for Ireland bears testament to his strength despite usually being surrounded by forwards.
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Murray is an exceptionally big scrum-half, but there were others in England and the Pro14 comparable to him in size. Similarly, there were many other players who are equally as potent on account of their pace. Names like Danny Care, Dan Robson and Harry Randall in the Premiership and George Horne and Tomos Williams in the Pro14 are just some examples of players who are as threatening as Murray, but in different ways.
French culture has always had a different view of the role of the scrum-half to England and indeed the rest of the world. The moniker ‘The Little General’ is often given to French scrum-halves for a reason; they are tacticians, possibly more so than the fly-half.
A place-kicking scrum-half is as common as a fly-half in France, where it is virtually unheard of in England. Likewise, many No9s in France are equally adept in the No10 shirt as well. Dimitri Yachvili, Morgan Parra and Maxime Machenaud are all France’s most capped scrum-halves this century and all suit this model of what is required from that position.
This is not to say that scrum-halves are not one of the primary tacticians and distributors in a team elsewhere in the world, but there is a greater requirement that players bring more to the table individually.
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Given the French approach to this position, it is not that strange therefore that their players are that much lighter than those in the rest of Europe. The heaviest and tallest player in the league during this gameweek was former All Black Tawera Kerr-Barlow at 1.87m (6ft 2ins) and 91kgs (14st 5lbs), who is obviously from another rugby culture. After the Kiwi, the next heaviest player was Lyon’s one-cap Frenchman Jonathan Pélissié, a whole seven kgs lighter.
France’s incumbent ‘demi de mêlée’ Antoine Dupont is of course different from the stereotypical No9 in his country, but it may well be his dynamic and countercultural approach that is helping rescue France from the doldrums. The Toulouse man is clearly different from his national rival, Toulon’s Baptiste Serin, who is much more akin to the ideal of a French No9.
Like all positions, this is one that has been subject to change over the years; these figures may have been even lower in the past, as there has been a new breed of scrum-half since the 2000s, spearheaded by the likes of the All Blacks’ Byron Kelleher and Wales’ Mike Phillips, with the Welshman almost serving as another loose forward at times.
But this division between France and the other leagues assists in showing the different ways in which scrum-halves are used, and illuminates the cultural differences that exist.
Top14
Agen
Paul Abadie- 1.76m (5ft 9ins)/ 88kgs (13st 12lbs)
Lyon
Jonathan Pélissié- 1.79m (5ft 11ins)/ 84kgs (13st 3lbs)
Racing 92
Teddy Iribaren- 1.7m (5ft 7ins)/ 70kgs (11st)
ASM Clermont Auvergne
Greig Laidlaw- 1.76m (5ft 9ins)/ 78kgs (12st 4lbs)
Bordeaux-Begles
Yann Lesgourgues- 1.77m (5ft 10ins)/ 82kgs (12st 13lbs)
Bayonne
Guillaume Rouet- 1.68m (5ft 6ins)/ 74kgs (11st 9lbs)
Montpellier
Enzo Sanga- 1.76m (5ft 9ins)/ 75kgs (11st 11lbs)
Brive
Julien Blanc- 1.75m (5ft 9ins)/ 77kgs (12st 2lbs)
Pau
Samuel Marques- 1.74m (5ft 9ins)/ 76kgs (12st)
La Rochelle
Tawera Kerr-Barlow- 1.87m (6ft 2ins)/ 91kgs (14st 5lbs)
Toulon
Baptiste Serin- 1.8m (5ft 11ins)/ 76kgs (12st)
Castres
Jeremy Fernandez- 1.75m (5ft 9ins)/ 78kgs (12st 4lbs)
Stade Francais
James Hall- 1.73m (5ft 8ins)/ 82kgs (12st 13lbs)
Toulouse
Sébastien Bezy- 1.74m (5ft 9ins)/ 77kgs (12st 2lbs)
Average: 1.76m (5ft 9ins)/ 79kgs (12st 6lbs)
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Gallagher Premiership
Sale Sharks
Will Cliff- 1.78m (5ft 10ins)/ 84kgs (13st 3lbs)
Harlequins
Danny Care- 1.73m (5ft 8ins)/ 84kgs (13st 3lbs)
Saracens
Richard Wigglesworth- 1.76m (5ft 9ins)/ 86kgs (13st 8lbs)
Worcester Warriors
Michael Heaney- 1.75m (5ft 9ins)/ 80kgs (12st 8lbs)
Gloucester
Willi Heinz- 1.8m (5ft 11ins)/ 89kgs (14st)
Bath
Chris Cook- 1.78m (5ft 10ins)/ 92kgs (14st 7lbs)
Leicester Tigers
Ben Youngs- 1.78m (5ft 10ins)/ 88kgs (13st 12lbs)
Bristol Bears
Harry Randall- 1.73m (5ft 8ins)/ 72kgs (11st 5lbs)
Wasps
Dan Robson- 1.73m (5ft 8ins) / 82kgs (12st 13lbs)
Northampton Saints
Cobus Reinach- 1.75m (5ft 9ins)/ 84kgs (13st 3lbs)
London Irish
Ben Meehan- 1.78m (5ft 10ins)/ 82kgs (12st 13lbs)
Exeter Chiefs
Nic White- 1.75m (5ft 9ins)/ 82kgs (12st 13lbs)
Average: 1.76m (5ft 9ins)/ 84kgs (13st 3lbs)
Guinness Pro14
Ulster
John Cooney- 1.78m (5ft 10ins)/ 87kgs (13st 10lbs)
Munster
Conor Murray- 1.88m (6ft 2ins)/ 93kgs (14st 9lbs)
Cardiff Blues
Tomos Williams- 1.78m (5ft 10ins)/ 77kgs (12st 2lbs)
Scarlets
Gareth Davies- 1.78m (5ft 10ins)/ 88kgs (13st 12lbs)
Edinburgh
Henry Pyrgos- 1.78m (5ft 10ins)/ 83kgs (13st 1lbs)
Southern Kings
Stefan Ungerer- 1.84m (6ft)/ 90kgs (14st 2lbs)
Leinster
Luke McGrath- 1.74m (5ft 9ins)/ 84kgs (13st 3lbs)
Connacht
Caolin Blade- 1.7m (5ft 7ins)/ 80kgs (12st 8lbs)
Zebre
Josh Renton- 1.74m (5ft 9ins)/ 82kgs (12st 13lbs)
Cheetahs
Tian Meyer- 1.77m (5ft 10ins)/ 84kgs (13st 3lbs)
Dragons
Rhodri Williams- 1.76m (5ft 9ins)/ 81kgs (12st 11lbs)
Ospreys
Aled Davies- 1.75m (5ft 9ins)/ 86kgs (13st 8lbs)
Benetton Treviso
Dewaldt Duvenage- 1.75m (5ft 9ins)/ 79kgs (12st 6lbs)
Glasgow Warriors
George Horne- 1.75m (5ft 9ins)/ 79kgs (12st 6lbs)
Average: 1.77m (5ft 10ins)/ 84kgs (13st 3lbs)
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264 Go to commentsThis disgraceful episode must result in management and coach team sackings. A new manager with worse results than previous and the coaching staff need to coached. Awful massacre led by donkeys.
1 Go to commentsInteresting article with one glaring mistake. This sentence: “And between the top four nations right now, Ireland, France, South Africa, and New Zealand…” should read: And between the top four nations right now, South Africa, Ireland, New Zealand and France…”. Get it right wistful thinkers, its not that hard.
23 Go to commentsHow did Penny get the gig anyway?
2 Go to commentsNice write up Nick and I would have agreed a week ago. However as you would know Cale & co got absolutely monstered by the Blues back row of Sotutu, Ioane and Papaliti and not all of these 3 are guaranteed a start in the Black jumper. He may need to put some kgs before stepping up, Spring tour? After the week end Joe will be a bit more restless. Will need to pick a mobile tough pack for Wales and hope England does the right thing and bashes the ABs. I like your last paragraph but I would bring Swinton, Hannigan into the 6 role and Bobby V to 8
21 Go to commentsThe Crusaders can still get in to the Play Off’s. The imminent return of outstanding captain Scott Barrett and his All Black team mate Codie Taylor will be a big boost.There are others like Tamaiti Williams too. Two home games coming up. Fellow Crusader fans get there and support these guys. I will be.
1 Go to commentsCant get more Wellington than Proctor.
2 Go to commentsWhy not let the media decide. Like how they choose the head coach. Like most of us we entrust the rugby system to choose. A rugby team includes the coaches. It's collective.
13 Go to commentsHi NIck, I have been very impressed with him and he seems a smart player who can see opportunities which Bobby V _(who must be an international 6_) doesn’t see or have the speed to take advantage of. If he continues to improve and puts on 5kgs then he could be a great 8. He is a bit taller than Keiran Reid at 1.93m and 111 kgs, so his skill set fits his body size and who knows where it will lead. I hope the spate of Achilles tendon issues have been dealt with by the S&C people. It’s been a very long time since Mark Loane and Kefu stood out at 8. The question is will we be able to hold onto him, if he does make it he will be pretty hot property. I disagree with the idea of letting them go to the Northern Hemisphere and then bring them back.
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23 Go to commentsVern challenging this Blues side might be the edge they need to fulfill their potential. Convincing results from strong D and strong carries are hard to argue against.
1 Go to commentsLove seems to add a strong back field defense with speed to close the gap and tackle to his ability to attack, kick and pass (an accurate long pass). This sets him an edge over some of the other names - JRK in particular. Has to be said that Jordan and Stevenson have also been exposed defensively while Love has yet to face test match intensity. Spoilt for choice.
1 Go to commentsHe’s strung together a few strong seasons, I’d like to see him in the ABs and build some depth along with Reiko and ALB. Levi Aumua hasn’t taken the step we hoped to see but time yet.
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4 Go to commentsNice piece Nick. I haven’t seen much of the brumbies this year so will keep my powder dry on charlie, but clearly has the speed and footwork to be damaging in space. Similar to Samu, I’d worry about the size of our pack if the likes of Mcreight and Cale were in the b/row together. Maybe Cale could play a similar finisher role like Samu did for Rennie’s wallabies. Has Cale leapfrogged wilson in your eyes? He obviously has the lineout, but harry probably better (although not great) in the physical stuff and also has great hands in the loose. You’d have to say mcreight and valetini are shoe-ins at 7/8, so the question becomes who matches best with them at 6 and on the bench. I don’t know if he has a high enough ceiling, but id love to see wright given a shot based on how much bad luck he has had with injuries. He may also fit that no-nonsense graft/work rate irish approach…? If schmidt wants size and a 4/6 tweener then I’d probably pick Uru. On the bench I’d have no idea, Wilson if you want to give valetini a rest, and maybe hanigan/wright/uru as 6 replacements.
21 Go to commentsWho the heck is Billy Fulton?
13 Go to commentsCale has all the potential no doubt. So has Harry Wilson except for his dumb arse coach over the last few years who told him just to run at brick walls all the time. Valentini would be devastating at 6. As he was until some idiot thought oh yeah, move our best player to another position. Not mentioning any flightless or thank you names of course. I very much dislike claiming one player is the saviour, because injuries are so prevalent in the game these days as the players are bigger and faster, so the discussion should be who are at least the best two players in one position. For me it’s Harry Wilson and Cale at 8 at the moment with Valentini or Hooper from the Brumbies at 6. Great options. Seru Uru should be in the reserves too. A game changer.
21 Go to commentsScott Barrett is a card waiting to happen, Cane has been out with injury as well as playing in Japan, I think they’ll go with in-Japan-but-still-the-man Savea. Samisoni Taukeaho will be Captain after 2027, so he might get some Captain minutes against an Italy or Japan.
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