Why 'credible witness' Dickson in Skinner case was treated differently at Ewers hearing
Evidence submitted by referee Karl Dickson at the Sam Skinner disciplinary hearing was extensively cross-examined by Exeter before the independent committee hearing the case concluded: “The referee was a credible witness who gave compelling and balanced evidence.”
Skinner was red-carded by Dickson early in the second half of last Saturday’s Gallagher Premiership match between Exeter and Sale for a collision with Faf de Klerk and his four-game ban starts with this weekend’s semi-final rematch between the same two clubs.
Second row Skinner wasn’t the only Exeter player to come away with a season-ending four-match suspension as back-rower Dave Ewers was cited and banned for his yellow-carded offence when tackling Simon Hammersley. It was Wednesday morning when the verdicts were made public but unlike with previous panel decisions, the written judgments weren’t initially available detailing what was said at the hearings.
Those judgments have since been published on the RFU website and the summary will hardly placate fuming Exeter boss Rob Baxter, who used his midweek media briefing to hit out at the inconsistencies allegedly going on in the game regarding disciplinary decisions by officials on the pitch and then how players are treated without empathy at the resulting hearings.
The inconsistency regarding last Saturday game was how an initial red card for Exeter forward Ewers was talked down to a yellow card sanction due to mitigating factors but no mitigation was found in the tackle Skinner was involved in, a decision that was reached at a much quicker pace than the Dickson deliberations over the Ewers incident.
A gripping spectacle at Sandy Park included one red card and another incident that was talked down from red to yellow#EXEvSAL
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In the written judgment it was said: “The referee was subject to extensive, if courteous, cross-examination but remained clear in his view that the (Skinner) incident had merited a red card. He rejected the proposition that there had been a drop in de Klerk’s height, which should have seen a yellow card issued. In his view, there had not been a significant drop in height. Similarly, he did not consider the fact that the player had started low to have been significant, as he had then driven up into de Klerk rather than through him.
“He accepted there had been an attempted wrap but noted that had there been no attempt at a legal tackle, such as to have rendered it intentional or highly reckless, he would not have needed to go on to consider whether any mitigating factors were present.
“He disagreed that he had reached a decision without giving the matter proper consideration. He had spoken with his assistant referee who was clear that there were no grounds to take the red card down to a yellow and he had reviewed the footage carefully on the big screen. He had listened to what his TMO had said but did not consider that de Klerk was falling into the tackle.
“His review of an earlier incident (involving Ewers) had taken longer because it had taken more time for the TV producer to locate all relevant camera angles.
“It was put to him that contact was shoulder to shoulder and the referee was firm in his view that there had been direct contact shoulder to head. He noted that de Klerk’s head had rocked backwards in a whiplash movement. In his view, there had been a high degree of danger due to the force used. This led to a starting point red card. No mitigating factors were present to reduce the sanction to a yellow card.”
In his evidence, Skinner insisted that he felt the collision was soft, that he had not used high force and was letting the power come from de Klerk, whom he claimed was dropping into the tackle. In the end, though, the panel found: “The referee was a credible witness who gave compelling and balanced evidence. Skinner’s initial position was shaped to make a low, lawful tackle but he then drove upward into de Klerk and contact was made by the player’s left shoulder direct to the head. The player’s case that contact was indirect was rejected.
“The player’s argument that de Klerk’s height had dropped was accordingly not accepted. The panel also did not accept the player’s suggestion that he had effected a passive tackle and had in fact been knocked back by de Klerk. The submission on behalf of the player that the referee had not taken enough time in making his decision or given enough consideration to the TMO was not accepted.”
While the Dickson red card decision was ultimately backed by the disciplinary panel, his yellow card decision regarding Ewers wasn’t supported by citing commissioner Paul Hull whose decision that there was a red card case to answer ultimately resulted in the four-game ban for the Exeter flanker. It has since emerged that the uncapped Ewers was set for an England call-up this summer, a revelation contained in the written judgment.
Sam Skinner has also been given a four week suspension following his red card against Sale. pic.twitter.com/JCZr7pSvkZ
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Hull wrote: “Dickson determines due to the spin out of the second tackle, there is mitigation to escalate down from a red card to a yellow. I disagree due to Ewers starting high and finishing high, with clear sight and having time to adjust due to the first two attempted tackles, he made contact to the head with force and with a high degree of danger… I have found that this high tackle meets the red card threshold and have awarded a full citing.”
In supporting Hull’s decision to cite, the disciplinary committee decided: “There had been no significant change in Simon Hammersley’s height to mitigate the red card down to yellow. In the panel’s assessment, the citing commissioner had been correct in concluding that Hammersley’s height had stayed fairly even. There had been some change in Hammersley’s direction as he spun out of the tackle, but not such as to reduce the sanction to a yellow card.”
- Click here to read the judgment from the Skinner hearing.
- Click here to read the judgment from the Ewers hearing
"I’m struggling with the whole process"
– It's rare for Rob Baxter to get upset but that is how the Exeter boss was at Wednesday's Premiership semi-final media briefing #EXEvSALhttps://t.co/0C5g9ZV3Az
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This sounds like a WWE idea so Americans can also get excited about rugby, RUGBY NEEDS A INTERNATIONAL CALENDER .. The rugby Championship and Six Nations can be held at same time, top 3 of six nations and top 3 of Rugby championship (6 nations should include Georgia AND another qualifying country while Fiji, Japan and Samoa/Tonga qualifier should make out 6 Southern teams).. Scrap June internationals and year end tours. Have a Elite top six Cup and the Bottom 6 in a secondary comp….
12 Go to commentsThe rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
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2 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
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12 Go to commentsI like this, but ultimately rugby already has enough trophies. Trying to make more games “consequential" might prove to be a fools errand, although this is a less bad idea than some others. Minor quibble with the title of the article; it isn’t very meaningful to say the boks are the unofficial world champions when it would be functionally impossible for the Raeburn trophy not to be held by the world champions. There’s a period of a few months every 4 years when there is no “unofficial” world champion, and the Raeburn trophy is held by the actual world champions.
12 Go to commentsIts a great idea but one that I dont think will have a lot of traction. It will depend on the prestige that they each hold but if you can do that it would be great. When Japan beat the Boks (my team) I was absolutely devestated but I wont deny the great game they played that day. We were outclassed and it was one of the best games of rugby I have seen. Using an idea like this you might just give the the underdog teams more of an opportunity to beat the big teams and I can absolutely see it being a brilliant display of rugby. They beat us because they planned for that game. It was a great moment for Japan. This way we can remove the 4 year wait and give teams something to aim for outside of World Cup years.
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12 Go to commentsDon’t think that headline is accurate. It’s great to see Aus doing better but I’m not sure they’ve shown much threat to the top of the table. They shouldn’t be inflating wins against the lousy Highlanders and Crusaders either.
3 Go to commentsSuch a shame Roigard and Aumua picked up long term injuries, probably the two form players in the comp. Also, pretty sure Clarke Dermody isn’t their coach. Got it half right though.
3 Go to commentsOh the Aussie media, they never learn. At least Andrew Kellaway is like “Woah, yeah it’s great, but settle down there guys” having endured years of the Aussie media, fans, and often their players getting ahead of themselves only to fall flat on their faces. Have the “We'll win the Bledisloe for sure this year!” headlines started yet? It’s simple to see what’s going on. The Aussie teams are settled, they didn't lose any of their major players overseas. The Crusaders and Chiefs lost key experienced All Blacks, and Razor in the Crusaders case, and clearly neither are anywhere near as strong as last year (The Canes and Blues would probably be 3rd & 4th if they were). The Highlanders are annually average, even more so post-Aaron Smith and a big squad clean out. The two teams at the top? The two nz sides with largely the same settled roster as last year, except Ardie Savea for the Canes. They’ve both got far better coaches now too. If the Aussies are going to win the title, this is the year the kiwi sides will be weakest, so they better take their chance.
3 Go to commentsThe World Cup has to be the gold standard, line in the sand. 113 teams compete for what is the opportunity to make the pool stages, and then the knockout games for the trophy. The concept is sound. This must have been the rationale when the World Cup was created, surely? But I’m all for Looking forward and finding new ways for the SH to dominate the NH into the future. The autumn series needs a change up. Let’s start by having the NH teams come south every odd year for the Autumn/Spring series games?
12 Go to commentsWhat’ll happen when the AI models of the future go back in time and try to destroy the AI models of the past standing in their way of certain victory?
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57 Go to commentsHe would be a great player for the Stormers, Dobbo should approach the guy.
3 Go to commentsGood article. A few years back when he was playing for the Cheetahs, he was a quiet standout for exactly the seasons stated here. I occasionally get to see his games in the UK, and he has become a more complete player and in many ways like an Irish player. His work ethic is so suitable to the Leinster game. I wonder if Rassie would have him listed somewhere.
3 Go to commentsResults probably skewed by the fact that a few clubs have foreign fly halves in their 30s, but most teams have young English scrum halves. Results also likely to be skewed by the fact that many teams rely on centres and fullbacks to provide depth at 10, whereas they will need to stock a large number of specialist backup 9s.
2 Go to commentsI really get the sense that when all is said and done, the path of least resistance will end up being a merger of Wasps & Worcester that essentially kills the Worcester Warriors brand and sees Wasps permanently playing at Sixways. I’m not saying that’s what should happen or what I want to happen. I just think it’s the easiest rout to take and therefore, will be what happens. Wasps will definitely return to play first, and I suppose it all depends on if they can find support at Sixways. If people turn up and support Wasps in that community, at that ground, I bet they drop the Sevenoaks plan and just remain at Sixways. Under the radar but not totally unrelated, it looks as though London Irish are going to be brought back from the dead by a German consortium and look set to return, likely to the remade Championship. It’s set to have 12 clubs next season with 14 in 2025/26, what do you want to bet those extra 2 are Wasps and London Irish?
3 Go to commentsThe shoulder is a “joint” with multiple bones. You don’t “fracture” a shoulder, you fracture any one or more of the bones that make up a shoulder.
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