The 10am call an upset Sale gave referee Ian Tempest last Sunday
Sale boss Alex Sanderson has revealed he was on the phone venting to referee Ian Tempest the morning after last weekend’s dramatic Gallagher Premiership at Northampton. The second-place Sharks had built an impressive 24-7 half-time lead despite the early red-carding of Manu Tuilagi. They went on to lead 34-19 with 20 minutes remaining despite a Cobus Wiese sin-binning but they then lost momentum, eventually losing 34-38 in a fiercely entertaining match during which they suffered a critical Ewan Ashman yellow card on 67 minutes.
The setback upset Sanderson and he was on the blower on Sunday morning to talk things through with Tempest before then forwarding a series of clips from the Sale game for review by the referees’ group at the RFU. The feedback that resulted was that the Manchester side was extremely unfortunate, but England Rugby HQ stood by the decisions taken by their officials at Franklin’s Gardens.
“It’s done now and I’m trying not to keep carrying it but the communication between myself, Ian Tempest, (referees boss) Paul Hull and every other ref before this weekend has been nothing short of brilliant,” said Sanderson ahead of this Sunday’s trip to Exeter where Luke Pearce will be in charge.
The feedback that we got was that it was extremely unfortunate that all the big decisions went against Sale… If that is how they are going to see the game I have got to coach accordingly.
“Their openness to speak post-game, to speak pre-game… I rang up Ian at 10 o’clock on Sunday morning because I was still carrying it and he answered the phone on his day off – and it’s his day with his family. That’s brilliant. We talked around the issues and I vented a bit and he’d tell me how he saw it and then I sent the clips through on Monday.
“There’s none of that process that I found frustrating from the weekend. It was just the inconsistency of some of the decisions, the inconsistency because they weren’t all bad by any stretch. It was a great game to watch. But for us to get it that wrong and the admittance that all the big decisions went against us, I guess the blame has to fall on us. We weren’t either coaching it correctly or weren’t clear enough as to the pictures they wanted to see.
Sanderson, who has been in charge at Sale since January 2021, went on to explain the current lines of communication between Premiership teams and referees during the 2022/23 season. “There is more forum for communication this year which has been beneficial,” he said. “It has certainly benefited us in our understanding and the improvement in the discipline.
“So you are able to speak to them up to 48 hours before a game. There is some leeway, you are able to send clips through about the opposition to get clarity as to what their perception of certain infringements are. Also, in terms of us, we like the refs to speak to the opposition about the clips we send through, so it’s not just a case of catching people out. We want the whistle to blow less and for the referee to have less impact on the outcome of the game. That is the pre-game process.
“Post-game you can send up to eight clips in within 24 hours and what I have been doing personally is generally calling the refs up and having a conversation, like a 360 feedback on what he perceived and also our perceptions or feelings of how it was reffed and how it was communicated on the field because that relationship is also important.
“And then on the back of that, you will get feedback on the clips we send in… I might add I haven’t sent in any clips post-game this season until this week at which point there were wholly disregarded. It just means I need to improve my communication with them so I understand.”
Sanderson added that it would a positive for the sport as a spectacle if non-working referees could potentially work with broadcasters during a match to explain decisions as they happen. “Definitely. We have 45 players, some of them who have played for up to 20 years, and we still get refs in consistently so they can communicate what they are seeing, what the directives are from World Rugby.
“Sometimes it shifts within the 3,000 laws that there are what they are looking to emphasize because the game takes on trends as does the refereeing of certain aspects of the game, general set-piece and breakdown. There is a constant re-education of our players and they are on the coalface.
“Like when Wayne Barnes goes onto Rugby Tonight and they talk through certain decisions, whether or not they can explain it or there is a referee as part of the commentary and they could talk them on certain decisions from a referee’s perspective to tell the audience, to tell the people so there is a better connection there as to what is going on. Like I say, I probably need a bit of that myself.”
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Brett, from my distant perspective, I hope you get to keep the Rebels. Any ideas of teams from Japan or Argentina are just crazy. Won’t happen. If you look at logistics, it is much easier to get to LA from Auckland, Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney than to Buenos Aires. All with direct non-stop daily flights. You may even get some “gringos” to watch the games, with some younger players compared to Giteau and Nonu who still “play” in the area. I think it is virtually impossible to get a competitive Argie team for SR. All Pumas are in Europe, almost all second tier players are also in Europe. Fringe players are in South American pro rugby tournament (and many still in the MLR!) but these players who might be most interested in joining a new Jaguares do not have the skills to compete. As I have been saying since the Jaguares joined, they should have had TWO teams to make logistics for visiting teams better and Argie player development improved as well. Jaguares/Pumas was not ideal. But this is where Pichot and his cronies did not think long enough. Further the country with he new president “No hay Plata” Milei is in a very difficult situation. Galperin, the richest man in Argentina owns the Miami franchise of MLR. I don’t think you can get him to invest in Argentina. Actually, he played rugby himself. He was a fly half. He is worth around $6 billion!
1 Go to commentsWell done Baby Boks we will take the Draw. No 9 senseless long passes in those conditions. let’s move on and hope for some good weather
4 Go to commentsHow did it end a draw. South Africa didn’t score any points as far as I can see
4 Go to commentsNo doubt this will be a fantastic occasion and I plan to be there, but I think the bean counters have won out over the rugby brains. In my opinion, it is foolhardy to give the Black Ferns the experience of playing in front of 60,000+ at Twickenham a year before they might be playing there in a World Cup Final. Better to play France at Twickenham and Black Ferns at Kingsholm. The difference in takings would be miniscule.
1 Go to commentsDom kant
193 Go to commentsBen is a little incel desperately trying to stir the pot and stay relevant. We used to get mad at his articles. Now we just feel sorry for him
193 Go to commentsPerhaps we may need to put an asterisk on NZ’s ‘87 WC win since the Boks weren’t there. You know, just as a reminder. Poor Ben Smith. Go cry somewhere else.
193 Go to commentsNz should have won. I didn't watch the game, but the ref was at fault and the bounce of the ball and the Bokke used the Bomb squad and the Bokke slow the game down and the Bokke scrum. They should remove the scrum. The Bokke are to strong. Not fair. Nz should have won
3 Go to commentsThanks for a much more balanced piece Ned and not that BS that Bin Smuth just posted a short while ago. read this article and then Bin Smuth’s and tell me there isn’t a huge difference🙄
3 Go to commentsWere the Baby Boks part of this game or did the Baby Blacks play themselves?🤔 That man Bin Smuth once again does a little write-up on the game and it is like 95% about the Baby Blacks🤣 Glad he ends off with the Baby Blacks were actually in cruise control for most of the game and weren’t actually playing for the win WTF🤣🤣 Maybe he was expecting the Baby Blacks to run rampant….
4 Go to commentsOne does not expect anything more from Ben Smith who epitomises the worst of New Zealand media arrogance and an inability to balance what he has to say about any team that beats the All Blacks. His reference to context is pathetically thin. He does not comment that Frizell deserved a red card given his blatant manipulation of his body to ensure that he could drop his body weight onto Mbonambi’s lower leg. No mention of the ball lost forward before the All Black’s try (lost in-field of the 5 metre line and gathered beyond). The All Black commitment and effort was superb and there was little in it. Given the Springbok passage to the final and the loss of their hooker in the first three minutes, their resolve and capacity to win their fourth final out of eight attempts (not three out of ten) deserves the praise that has been forthcoming from media around the world, worth reading and listening to. Ben should join his “pundit” friends on TV - he would fit in well. This sort of article reduces any credibility Rugby Pass has ever had. Why persist with this sort of nonsense? The man does his country and a rugby blog a disservice.
193 Go to commentsEtzebeth went on to say: “I would never dream of saying that systems stay in place following a change in captain. To say that would be deeply, deeply, disrespectful of Siya. A while back an Irish person told me they would be fine without Sexton, so I’m just responding to that.”
3 Go to commentsClose games are what we want to see…. What a match it was…. I am sure that everyone was drained by the end of it. The reality of it all there has to be a winner and a loser. The fact that we still talking about it is almost 6 months to the day Rugby is the winner.. Asante sana… Here is to 2027 and what it will bring out.
193 Go to commentsIt’s going to be a good game. COYQ
1 Go to comments“Shock”, the guy was casually saying he was just slightly surprised. Nowadays if you say anything it gets taken completely out of context. Calm down everyone.
156 Go to commentsAll I can say after reading this bitter, sour, sad piece is… Thank you very much! This will be read in the change room just before kick off on 31 August…
193 Go to commentsLook, we know contradicting opinions and wacky comments bring readers and clicks, so well done to RP for allowing always-wrong-Ben to say something here. However RP needs to put a disclaimer next to his comments for their own credibility. NZ was and is incapable of acknowledging their opp beating them. They refused so with Ire and with Arg in 2022 and also the Boks in 2023 x 2. Nothing Ben says here holds water, NZ attacked backwards, except when Kolisi and Kolbe was off And cyncialy took out Bongi, we played without lineouts for 75mins. Kolisi and Kurt-Lee almost scored twice. Thats 3 vs 2 for Boks, but the Boks opportunities was legal. Boks should have been 16-3 up by half time. Tacticaly the Boks attacked better defended better scrummed better (without a hooker) kicked better and crossed the whitewash more times. Boks beat Fr Eng Nz to win in 23, comeon give some credit at least. Even Federer Verstappen NY Mets, Mamoa, was able to see a great human sport achievement by the Boks and their DNA Boks #RWC27 !🏉
193 Go to commentsForget the 85kg bit, that can become something else. However I do like the one off test on ANZAC day idea. SR plays Fri/ Sat, test players travel Sunday and the squads have the full week together before playing Saturday. Rest of SR has a week off. Either involve women's teams in same location or in the other country and rotate annually. Herbert is right in that change is needed.
3 Go to commentsI’ve read loads of nonsense before but this article takes the cake. Or perhaps someone changed the date for April Fool's Day.
3 Go to commentsReally Rugbypass? Ben Smith I think you forgot what the Springboks did to the All Blacks at Twickenham 8 weeks earlier? Springboks 35 All Blacks 7. There is alot of ifs and buts in your article. The All Blacks threw the sink at the Springboks and unfortunately they were not good enough regardless if they played with 14 men or not. It was the Springboks who forced the All Blacks to make mistakes! Sorry but not Sorry the Springboks is the best ever Rugby World Cup Nation in the world. 4 Cups baby!
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