'Rugby is no longer about the pride of playing for your jersey' - explosive Copeland admission
Robin Copeland has always been a frank and honest speaker and tells it like it is. The former Cardiff Blues and Munster forward is now with Connacht, tasked with the role of filling the sizeable gap left by long-time number eight John Muldoon. The former Leinster Academy player signed a two-year deal and he believes moving between rival provinces or clubs is not what it used to be.
“Rugby is no longer about the pride of playing for your jersey, it’s your job and a lot of guys are shifting towards ‘well I’m not getting what I need here, there are options elsewhere and I can absolutely get everything I need from somewhere else” the 30-year-old said.
In a world of media trained players with their quota of stock answers Copeland cuts through the bull and gets to the point. He knows that expectations on Connacht are lower from certain quarters – be it media or fans – compared to his previous club Munster, but ultimately players seek to put food on the table and that is the thing which motivates them to ensure optimum performance.
“If something isn’t good enough you’re told it’s not good enough (at Connacht) and that’s not the standard that anyone expects because people’s livelihoods are on the line. I’ve said it’s no longer about playing for the pride of your place, you’re playing for your career and your future, your house and your mortgage and your kids. Those are things that are on the line here – it’s not about letting a fan down as such. There’s so much more on the line that the pressure has to keep you driven.”
“I know every time I go out on the pitch I am going to try my best to win the game, no matter who we are playing against. Whether they are a better team than us or not, it’s irrelevant. Everybody is playing for their livelihood and if you don’t take that seriously or a loss doesn’t hurt you, then you are in the wrong game.”
Copeland spoke freely about his four-year stint with Munster, he says it was an eye-opening experience compared to his time at the Cardiff Blues.
“When we set goals at the start of the year at Cardiff it was ‘ok let’s finish top-4 here, let’s try get a home semi-final here’ and then when I came to Munster it was like ‘we need to win this, win this’ and I was like ‘lads, come on, you can’t win everything, that’s just selfish, greedy! You can’t do that.’ They were like ‘what do you mean? That’s where we are’ and I said ‘oh, yeah, alright’. That is their mentality from the get-go. They want to win every single thing that they can.
“There is an expectation and a pressure that comes with putting on a Munster jersey that it’s hard to replicate anywhere else and it comes from every single detail, of every corner of the organisation, pushing to max out resources.
“That ruthlessness and that killer edge is brought into every training session, every walk through, every meeting. It’s there and it brings a lot of pressure and there is someone constantly on your back to make sure that stuff is being done the right way. So obviously I learned a lot from that.”
When Copeland returned to Ireland after his successful two-year stint in Wales, he was 26 and harboured international ambitions. A few months after joining Munster he picked up a cap against Georgia in the 2014 November internationals – none were to follow. Despite now being a guaranteed starter with Connacht compared to his oft-peripheral role in Munster red, he remains realistic about his international hopes.
“I know where I’m at. I’m not in Joe’s (Schmidt) radar at the minute. I’m not worried about not being in Joe’s radar. That goal is 15 down the line of goals I need to hit in the next year.
“If you think Joe is going to blood in a 30-year-old, 31-year-old for a World Cup when he’s got young guys, talents…Look, he’s Mr. Consistency, he turns to guys he knows and young guys he’s blooding in for the next 10 years and stuff like that. That’s how he plays and it’s a formula that’s worked for him. He knows what he’s doing. If I even think about that as a goal at the minute, I’m taking my eyes off what’s in front of me. The first thing I need to do is get in the team at Connacht.”
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Connacht went through a turbulent season last year, finishing second bottom in Conference A of the PRO14, registering just seven wins. Head Coach Kieran Keane was an unpopular figure with vast swathes of the club and the former All Black was duly sacked just a year into a three-year deal, with Australian Andy Friend coming in to replace him.
“Not to bad mouth KK but he was a bit Marmite. A lot of the people liked him, a lot of the people didn’t. I know from speaking to a lot of the backroom staff, that was where a lot of the miscommunication was: there was a breakdown between what was best for the team and what was best for the organisation; what was best for the fans and how do we mingle everyone together.
It’s a business at the end of the day and if everything is not working together, it’s not going to be profitable, it’s not going to be successful. I don’t think KK saw that as much – he wasn’t interested in that. That’s the feedback I’ve got. Whereas Andy, it’s everything – everyone has an input, everyone is building towards something and all those pieces and all those cogs have to work together.”
“I wasn’t there but from what I’ve heard and what I’ve been told, it’s chalk and cheese. Creating that culture is something Andy has tried to do and I think everyone has bought into it. I think, genuinely, it’s a nice, fun, enjoyable place to be. Not just for the players.
Copeland revealed that he’s been close to a Connacht move for the last eight years, he’ll be hoping it’s been worth the wait, but if it isn’t expect the candid forward to be the first person to admit it.
Robin Copeland was speaking at the eir sport announcement that its first broadcast, Cardiff Blues v Leinster will be made free to air to celebrate the channel becoming the NEW home of rugby in Ireland.
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I’d put Finau at 6 instead of Blackadder but that’s the only change I’d make. Can’t wait to see who Razor picks.
19 Go to commentsTamati Williams, Codie Taylor, and Same Cane? Not sure about Hoskins Sotutu at test level. Wasn’t that impressive last season. Need a balance between experience and talent/youth.
19 Go to commentsInteresting insight. Fantastic athlete, and a genuine human being.
12 Go to commentsThey played at night in Suva last weekend and it’s an afternoon game forecast for 19 degrees in Canberra this weekend. Heat change is a non issue.
1 Go to commentsWishing Rosie a speedy recovery
1 Go to commentsObscene that SA haven’t been knocking
1 Go to commentsChances of Blackadder being injured seem too high to give him serious consideration. ABs loosie combination finally looked good with 2 committed to tackling and clearing rucks in the centre and Ardie roaming. Hoskins/Ardie together would force one of them into where they don’t excel and don’t get to use their talent, or require a change in tactics. If we continue to evolve last years systems I would take Papali’i and Finau at 6 and 7 (conceding that Blackadder will be injured) and Ardie at 8.
19 Go to commentsArdie’s preferred position 7? Where do they get these writers from? I've no idea where he's playing in Japan, but the previous two seasons he wore the 7 jersey exactly twice.
17 Go to commentsNot good to hear Ulster described as “financially troubled”. Did not think it was getting to that level. I would hope the Irish system of spreading players of talent away from Leinster would kick in now. Better to have a Leinster fringe player with Ulster or Connacht, then getting only a few games a season in Dublin. 10, for example, would seem to be a case for spreading the talent. I would not be at all adverse to a SA man coming in as head coach/DR. Ludeke is worth trying. Certainly got a long and impressive coaching career at this level…..149 games in SR, then Japan, 30 years experience. And Ulster’s ledger of successful SA coaches and players is on the positive side. Is talk of Ruan Pienaar interested in coming back as a coach…..could be a good combination with Ludeke. And Pienaar and family would have no settling in to do, one would judge. He loved life in Ulster when there, by all reports.
1 Go to commentsSome thoughts to consider here, Sam. Thanks
2 Go to commentsI think he is right, SBW is respected in RSA. The guy who never stood up is a worm. Sseems lots of NZ SBW hate, you do the crime do the time.
12 Go to commentsAfter missing the curfew, the player was simply too “Shagged” to stand up.
12 Go to commentsVernier is probably the best 12 in the world though she has some English competition these days . I am nervous for England because it is unpredictable France and who knows which team will turn up, but they have not yet shown anything that should worry England, Saturday could be a different day. I would be more confident against the BFs.
1 Go to commentsWhat a difference Rodda and Carter made. Rodda has been out for ages but he is really the only world class lock in Australian rugby. Him, Carter and Beale made a huge difference on the weekend. If only they had a few decent props they’d be a much more dangerous team. Hamish Stewart was excellent last week as well. His carrying has improved significantly and has to be next in line after Paisami at 12 for the Wallabies. He’ll benefit hugely with Beale at fullback, there’s just no better communicator in Australian rugby than him and his experience will make a huge difference for the Force. No one sees space like Beale and he’s still sharp. I can see Force making a late charge into the top 8 if they can get some consistency.
2 Go to commentsRodda will be a walk up starter at lock. Frost if you analyse his dominance has little impact and he’s a long way from being physical enough, especially when you compare to Rodda and the work he does. He was quite poor at the World Cup in his lack of physicality. Between Rodda and Skelton we would have locks who can dominate the breakdown and in contact. Frost is maybe next but Schmidt might go for a more physical lock who does their core work better like Ryan or LSL. Swain is no chance unless there’s a load of injuries. Pollard hasn’t got the scrum ability yet to be considered. Nasser dominated him when they went toe to toe and really showed him up. Picking Skelton effects who can play 6 and 8. Ideally Valetini would play 6 as that’s his best position and Wilson at 8 but that’s not ideal for lineout success. Cale isn’t physical enough yet in contact and defence but is the best backrow lineout jumper followed by Wright, Hanigan and Swinton so unfortunately Valetini probably will start at 8 with Wright or Hanigan at 6. Wilson on the bench, he’s got too much quality not to be in the squad. Paisami is leading the way at 12 but Hamish Stewart is playing extremely well also and his ball carrying has improved significantly. Beale is also another option based on the weekend. Beale is class but he’s also the best communicator of any Australian backline player and that can’t be underestimated, he’ll be in the mix.
8 Go to commentsWhy do people keep on picking Ardie at 7 when he's a ball in hand 8? A modern 7 is the lead tackler and ruck clearer which isn't his strength.
19 Go to commentsSly dig there at Ireland’s propensity to back a non-Irish coach. Must really want it. I’m not sure I like ROG very much. Comes off as unpleasant. But he’d gain my respect if he took a number 7 ranked team and turned them into WC winners. Not even back-to-back. Argentina? Scotland? Or how about Wales? France would be too easy, no?
1 Go to commentsA bit of sensationalism, but surprised by the comments about SBW. I’ve always thought of him as a pretty authentic person. There is nothing worse than working with a colleague you’ve seen straight through.
12 Go to comments100% agree with your comment about Touch. I’ve been playing it competitively since Covid. It’s on a Wednesday night after work. It means the weekend is free for time with my family.
2 Go to commentsRodda back is massively important for the Wallabies. Kaitu at hooker important too coz he was very good a few years ago.
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