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'I don't think there's a row': Baxter disputes fight with agents
Former England out-half Andy Goode believes the latest row between Premiership clubs and agents needs resolving as soon as possible for the good of the game in England, but Exeter boss Rob Baxter doesn’t agree that the dispute is as serious as it has been made out to be. According to Goode’s latest column on RugbyPass, the Gallagher Premiership clubs are claiming there is a conflict of interest in the current system where they pay agents’ fees, with the players having 50% of them put on their P11D as a benefit in kind.
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They have now proposed that there should be a prohibition on the payment of agents’ fees by clubs, but the agents say clubs are using a HMRC ruling in football, which isn’t particularly relevant as transfer fees are barely ever involved in rugby, to sideline them and that it will lead to a well-regulated industry becoming like the wild west.
However, the long-serving Baxter, who has been involved in the Exeter journey from the national leagues to trophy wins in England and Europe, believes it will be just a new way of doing business and that the dispute will be soon forgotten about. “I don’t think there is a row necessarily,” he insisted at his media briefing ahead of this Saturday’s Premiership clash at home to Worcester.
“It’s probably been the next step (for a while). I’d like to think I have a pretty good relationship with most agents we deal with and I have spoken to them in the past and, if I am honest, I am surprised it has taken this long. People might be surprised as well, but this isn’t necessarily something that has never happened before.
“I have dealt with agents on numerous occasions and said, ‘Look, I’ll tell you where we are and what we can offer. It’s a package of this much and I’ll leave it for you to split up whether you want it in accommodation costs, whether you want it in flights, how much agents’ fees you use, that is how much I can put to this player, that is how much I am prepared to put down and I’ll let you decide it’.
'I also experienced another agent trying to push me towards a club because he owed them a favour when it didn’t suit me at all.' @AndyGoode10 ??? #GallagherPrem https://t.co/PmJMJ0jYQn
— RugbyPass (@RugbyPass) October 9, 2021
“We have done deals like that in the past when there was no issue now like there is with agents. That is very much how most deals will get done now and in the future. There might be a little bit of an ongoing situation through the agents with PRL saying why make the change, but I don’t think it has become an unworkable situation where there needs to be any unnecessary fallout. It’s just one of those scenarios.
“It probably makes it a little harder for the agents in some ways because now they may now have to actually chase their individual client which may be a large number of players within their agency group compared to chasing 13 clubs for their agency payments. I can understand why things might change for them but on the whole, how you do the business won’t change all that much from my perspective as a club.”
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Baxter added that wasn’t worried by agents potentially refusing to do business with Exeter because of the changes. “That is entirely up to the behaviour of an agent. If the agent wants to say. ‘I am not prepared to work with a club if you don’t pay me directly’, that is for the agent and the player to decide. That is why the responsibility should always be between the player and the agent and they decide that decision together.
“If I was a player I’d sit down and say to the agent, ‘This is how I want things to be done’. If an agent is looking abroad that should be based on the players asking for that. A decent agent would be doing that anyway. You have just got to try and not get too carried away with the ins and out of it and on the whole, personally, it will just be a new way of us doing things and we will all just be getting on with it.”
"He was very emotional, very upset by what happened…"
– Last Sunday was the first time Dave Ewers was seen in action since his cruel ban robbed him of Exeter playoff appearances and a long-awaited England call #Exeter #PremRugby #SALvEXEhttps://t.co/NK8Cec4NtU
— RugbyPass (@RugbyPass) October 6, 2021
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Exciting place to be for the young fella. I expected he was French Polynesian when I saw him included in the France 6N squad (after seeing him in NZs), and therefor be strong grounds we might loose him to rugby down here. Good, in that he is good enough to warrant such a profile, and from a journalism’s fan interaction aspect, to finally get a back ground story on the fella. Hope he has settled into NZ OK and that at least one rugby country will fit with him to help his development, which, if so, he should surely continue for a few years, and then that he can experience France to it’s fullest with a bit more maturity and less reliance on family than you would have at his current age. A good 3 or 4 years before he would be ready for International duty if he wanted to wait. Of course he already sounds good enough to accept a call up, and to cap himself, in the more immediate future (he’d have to be very very good in the case of the ABs), and he’ll get a great taste of that being with the Canes who have a bunch who are just a few years further into their career and looking likely Internationals themselves.
11 Go to commentsI remember towards the end of the original broadcasting deal for Super rugby with Newscorp that there was talk about the competition expanding to improve negotiations for more money - more content, more cash. Professional rugby was still in its infancy then and I held an opposing view that if Super rugby was a truly valuable competition then it should attract more broadcasters to bid for the rights, thereby increasing the value without needing to add more teams and games. Unfortunately since the game turned professional, the tension between club, talent and country has only grown further. I would argue we’re already at a point in time where the present is the future. The only international competitions that matter are 6N, RC and RWC. The inter-hemisphere tours are only developmental for those competitions. The games that increasingly matter more to fans, sponsors and broadcasters are between the clubs. Particularly for European fans, there are multiple competitions to follow your teams fortunes every week. SA is not Europe but competes in a single continental competition, so the travel component will always be an impediment. It was worse in the bloated days of Super rugby when teams traversed between four continents - Africa, America, Asia and Australia. The percentage of players who represent their country is less than 5% of the professional player base, so the sense of sacrifice isn’t as strong a motivation for the rest who are more focused on playing professional rugby and earning as much from their body as they can. Rugby like cricket created the conundrum it’s constantly fighting a losing battle with.
3 Go to commentsOh wow… “But as La Rochelle proved in winning in Cape Town this season, a cross-continental away assignment need not spell the end of days.” La Rochelle actually proved quite the opposite. After traveling to Cape town and back they (back-to-back and current champs) got mercilessly thumped the next week. If travel is not the reason, why else would a full-strength powerhouse like La Rochelle get dumped on their @r$e$ one week later?
26 Go to commentsYou know he can land a winning conversion after the full time siren is up. (Even if it takes two attempts.)
5 Go to commentsA very insightful article from Jake. I would love to know how South African’s feel about their move to Europe. Do you prefer playing in Europe or want to go back to Super Rugby?
3 Go to commentspure fire
1 Go to commentsA very well thought out summary of all the relevant complications…agree with your ”refer the Cricket Test versus 20/20 comparison”. More also definitely doesn't necessarily mean better!
3 Go to commentsMust be something when you are only 19 y.o and both NZ and France want you. Btw he wasn’t the only new caledonian in french U20 as Robin Couly also lived in Noumea until 17. Hope he’s successful wherever he chooses to play.
11 Go to comments“Several key players in the Stade Rochelais squad are in their thirties” South Africans are going to hate the implications of that comment!
5 Go to commentsI know Leinster did a job on La Roche but shortly after HT Leinster were 30-13 ahead of them and at a similar time Toulouse were trailing Exeter. At 60 mins Leinster were 27 ahead but after 67 mins Toulouse were only 19 ahead before Exeter collapsed. That’s heavier scoring by Leinster against the Champions. I think people are looking at Toulouses total a little too much. I also think Northhampton are in with a real chance, albeit I’d put Leinster as favourites. If Leinster make the final I expect them to win by more than ten and with control.
5 Go to commentsHey Nick, your match analysis is decent but the top and tail not so much, a bit more random. For a start there’s a seismic difference in regenerating any club side over a test team. EJ pretty much had to urinate with the appendage he’d been given at test level whereas club success is impacted hugely by the budget. Look no further than Boudjellal’s Toulon project for a perfect example. The set ups at La Rochelle and Leinster are like chalk and cheese and you are correct that Leinster are ahead. Leinster are not just slightly ahead though, they are light years ahead on their plans, with the next gen champions cup team already blooded, seasoned and developing at speed from their time manning the fort in the URC while the cream play CC and tests. They have engineered a strong talent conveyor belt into their system, supported by private money funnelled into a couple of Leinster private schools. The really smart move from Leinster and the IRFU however is maximising the Irish Revenue tax breaks (tax relief on the best 10 years earnings refunded at retirement) to help keep all of their stars in Ireland and happy, while simultaneously funding marquee players consistently. And of course Barrett is the latest example. But in no way is he a “replacement for Henshaw”, he’s only there for one season!!! As for Rob Baxter, the best advice you can give him is to start lobbying Parliament and HMRC for a similar state subsidy, but don’t hold your breath… One thing Cullen has been very smart with is his coaching team. Very quickly he realised his need to supplement his skills, there was talk of him exiting after his first couple of years but he was extremely shrewd bringing in Lancaster and now Nienaber. That has worked superbly and added a layer that really has made a tangible difference. Apart from that you were bang on the money… 😉😂
5 Go to commentsNot sure exactly what went wrong for him at Glasgow but it’s pretty clear he ain’t Franco’s cup of tea. Suspect he would have been better served heading out of Scotland around the same time as Finn, Hoggy and Jonny!
1 Go to commentsBulls disrespected the Northampton supporters and the competition. Decide quickly, fully in or out.
26 Go to commentsI wonder if Parling was ever on England’s radar as a coach? Obviously Borthwick is a great lineout coach, but I do worry he might be taking on too much as both head coach and forwards coach.
1 Go to commentsJason Jenkins has one cap. When Etzebeth was his age he had over 80 caps. Experience matters. He will never amount to what Etzebeth has because he hasn’t been developed as an international player.
2 Go to commentsSays much about the player picking this gig over the easier and bigger rewards offered to him in Japan. Also says a lot about the state sanctioned tax benefits the Irish Revenue offers pro rugby players, with their ten highest earning years subject to an additional 40% tax relief and paid as a lump sum, in cash, at retirement. Certainly helps Leinster line up the financial ducks in a row to fund marquee signings like this!!! No other union anywhere in world rugby benefits from this kind of lucrative financial sponsorship from their government…
5 Go to commentsTrue Jordie could earn a lot more in Japan. But by choosing Leinster he’ll be playing with 1 of the best clubs in the world and can win a champions cup and URC…..
6 Go to commentsThanks for that Marshy, noticed you didn't say who is gonna win it. We know who ain't gonna win it - your Crusaders outfit. They've gone from having arguably the best Super Rugby first five ever, to having a clutch of rookies. Hurricanes all the way!
1 Go to commentsGeez you really have to question the NRLs ability to produce players of quality. Its pathetic. Dont the 25mil in Aus produce enough quality womens players. Sad.
1 Go to commentsBulls fan here, and agree 100% with the conclusion (and little else) of this article. SA sides should absolutely f-off from the champs cup until we get fair scheduling, equal support for travel arrangements and home semis. You know, like all the european teams get.
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