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'Felt inevitable': Scott Robertson on All Blacks' Pool A fate


The All Blacks perform the haka ahead of The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between Australia Wallabies and New Zealand All Blacks at Optus Stadium on October 04, 2025 in Perth, Australia. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)
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All Blacks head coach Scott Robertson said it ‘felt inevitable’ that the All Blacks would end up in same pool as the Wallabies as the draw unfolded.

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As the teams were drawn on Wednesday night in Sydney and the available options dwindled, Robertson had the feeling that this would happen.

“The deeper [the draw] it went, you know, the least balls that are in there, you sort of felt that was the inevitable of getting into pool A and playing Australia,” Robertson said.

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“We get to play them quite a lot, but it’ll be just pretty special and unique to do it in a Rugby World Cup.”

Under Robertson the All Blacks have maintained a strong record over the Wallabies, winning all four contests over the last two years.

After former All Black assistant Joe Schmidt joined the Wallabies, a spicy rivalry was hyped up, but it has failed to deliver so far.

The opening game of the Rugby World Cup will feature host nation Australia and one of New Zealand, Chile and Hong Kong China, the two other Pool A teams.

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While no announcement has been made, the All Blacks are prepared to play the opener again against the host nation after doing so against France in Paris in 2023.

“Obviously, there’s no guarantee to it, but you know, if it is at Optus and you’re playing in a full house, pretty special. It will be a pretty special moment, and one that is a play you look forward to. So close to home, there will be a lot of Kiwis there.”

Captain Scott Barrett knows exactly what that pressure feels like, having played in the 2023 World Cup opener which ended as New Zealand’s pool stage defeat.

“I think at some stage within the tournament, you play the world’s best,” Barrett told media.

“And I think we played France last time as the opening game, and that was a huge occasion for both teams.

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“And I think at that point we lost to them, and we said, Okay, this isn’t our competition, but we’ve got every chance to still lift the World Cup’. And you know, we played Ireland in the quarter-final, another huge game.”

The All Blacks overcame that early loss to make the World Cup final, going down 12-11 after a first half red card to Sam Cane left them with 14 players.

“Along the way you’re going to play potentially, number 1, 2, and 3 in the world and it might not be in the final. So that’s the beauty of the World Cup. You’re going to have to peak at the right time.”

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Yep a lot of key players were injured and on top of that. NZ has a growing issue with losing up and coming talent to league (e.g. Harry Inch, who was being touted as a future ABs 10), an issue South Africa doesn’t have, and they don’t have our eligibility restrictions. The likes of Frizzell or Flanders could’ve helped the situation at 6 or Retallick at lock (even just for the IP at camp). Honestly though, Super Rugby simply doesn’t pay anywhere near enough to just open the floodgates and let the players move without the carrot of an ABs jersey unless they boost the salary caps enough to be competitive (perhaps not to the same amount as the European clubs, but even if it’s up to like 3/4 what they pay). I’d prefer that they increase the salary cap, loosen the eligibility within Super Rugby (i.e. letting NZers playing in Aussie teams still be eligible) and actively shop players around more for their sabbaticals (especially to Europe with what that’s done for Jordie and Rieko).

Honestly with the bench, what the ABs historically had were midfielders who got in the breakdowns and functioned as spare loosies. Conrad Smith was underrated as a turnover merchant in his own right and Nonu used to help with a lot of cleanouts. I don’t quite think we need to adopt a 6-2 (I’ve already seen it fail in the NPC a few times, including my own team getting injuries and having to put a 9 on the wing to bad results) but just manage the skillsets better.



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