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Wayne Smith and Tony Brown revealed where they believe the All Blacks are

DUBLIN, IRELAND - NOVEMBER 08: New Zealand head coach Scott Robertson looks on during the warm up ahead of the Autumn Nations Series 2024 match between Ireland and New Zealand All Blacks at Aviva Stadium on November 08, 2024 in Dublin, Ireland. (Photo by Charles McQuillan/Getty Images)

The All Blacks rarely eat their own.

No, once an All Black, always an All Black.

While those of us watching from the cheap seats occasionally voice dissatisfaction with selections and performances, those who’ve worn the jersey before tend to back the current coaches and players to the hilt.

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That courtesy came to mind as I read comments from Wayne Smith and Tony Brown in recent days.

Neither roundly endorsed the tactics and selections of All Blacks coach Scott Robertson. Rather, they hinted at there being room for improvement and, in Smith’s case, expressed optimism that the team would get things right eventually.

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Bok star Libbie Janse van Rensburg on that iconic 15-player line-out

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I think that’s telling. I think the default setting has always been to say the team’s on the right track – regardless of whether they are or not – and that we have to remember they’re playing elite opposition and perhaps not getting the bounce of the ball.

You rarely, as Brown did, suggest “maybe the All Blacks are not quite getting it right’’ or, like Smith, tell Robertson to “be brave’’ and emphasise that the team “are going to have to take risks.’’

First things first, I don’t question the motives of Smith and Brown here, nor do I even remotely hint at them seeking to undermine or overtly criticise Robertson.

I just find it interesting that, in public statements they know are going to be widely circulated and speculated upon, that neither man lavished the All Blacks with praise.

To me, that says a lot about where a couple of our brightest rugby minds believe the All Blacks are.

Look, the team continues to be clunky. And, how could it not be? You don’t introduce 19 new players in a year and a half, as Robertson has, and get cohesion.

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But I’m trying to look at this glass half-full. I’m trying to look for historical precedents and signs that Robertson is taking a leaf from an old book.

In that regard, I’m thinking of Laurie Mains and the way he began turning the team over in 1992 and what we ended up with come 1995.

Mains’ teams often weren’t great and some of his selections were baffling. In hindsight, though, maybe he did have a plan all along.

I prefer to believe he stumbled upon one when, in desperation against Australia in 1994, the All Blacks threw the ball about with total abandon. That offseason was dedicated to finding and training a group of players capable of playing all out running rugby at the 1995 Rugby World Cup and we all know how that turned out.

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Where, for three years there’d appeared madness, suddenly there was a method to it.

So, I’m trying to give Robertson the benefit of the doubt here. I’m trying to believe that he knows what he’s doing and that the finished article will have been worth waiting for.

I’m hoping we’ll end up with a settled squad. I’m hoping that, having worked hard on building strength and depth in the pack, that the set pieces will stand up to scrutiny against the better sides.

I’m hoping that having employed conservative tactics and built the All Blacks’ game around field position and defence, that creativity will be the final ingredient added.

But when Smith is saying they should look to throw caution to the wind and when Brown believes they aren’t quite getting the balance between attack and defence right, then I do wonder if I’m being too optimistic.

Mains’ tenure really wasn’t a great one. Players did come and go, often without much rhyme or reason. Gameplans did appear to be chucked out from one series to the next and there were repeated calls for Mains to lose his job.

Only it ended kind of well, with rugby played in a style that subsequent generations of All Black teams and fans continue to aspire to.

I don’t think there’s any dispute that the current team is making only minimal progress under Robertson. It’s all about whether they will do in the end.

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GrahamVF 35 days ago

Look, the team continues to be clunky. And, how could it not be? You don’t introduce 19 new players in a year and a half, as Robertson has, and get cohesion.

I don’t think Rassie got that message.

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CR 44 days ago

I think Razor’s main problem is exactly what we had with Heyneke Meyer back in the day. He was great at Super Rugby, but just couldn’t crack International Rugby. It’s not to say if you are a good super coach you can take the heat at the highest level. Robbie Deans was the same. Saying that, Robertson still has time left. He may prove me wrong.

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JW 44 days ago

“maybe the All Blacks are not quite getting it right’’

No, Ex’s have been saying that for the last decade. These are on the same “she’ll be right trajectory” as the rest.


People forget all too easily these are as passionate fans as anybody. In Wayne’s case he’s also part of the team, so obviously going to be in the “get things right eventually” camp.

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Another 44 days ago

It’s also worth noting that Wayne Smith was essentially hounded out of his role as AB head coach back in 2001 by negative fans. He had a 70% winning record after two years - below that of Robertson currently. He did return as an assistant coach a few years later - along with Henry and Hansen. I think we all know how that turned out.


The lesson of this story? Maybe some fans need to be less negative and give coaches more time to build their team?

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Blackmania 44 days ago

Smith is hinting that the Razor team is too cautious… something everyone has been seeing and saying for the past year and a half.

Personally, I’m not optimistic. I’d be surprised if Razor changes, and this team will head into the RWC like this — without much certainty and with a string of inconsistent results behind them.

I’m afraid we might end up writing off the 2024–2027 period, unfortunately.

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Another 44 days ago

How anybody can come to a conclusion on current evidence that the whole 2024-2027 period is a write off is beyond me. The All Blacks have literally beaten every opponent they have come across at least once and have introduced a bunch of new players. There is everyone to play for.

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RugCs 45 days ago

You don’t introduce 19 new players in a year and a half, as Robertson has, and get cohesion.

How about 22 new players in a year and a half? that Dr. Rassie has introduced to his team.

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JW 44 days ago

And look how terrible they were, between their best and worst. What’s your point?

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Skinny Pins 45 days ago

It is all through the public domain that Razor doesn't have the dressing room, but the media seem unable or unwilling to talk about that. When the players don't buy into the coach, it is terminal. It doesn’t resolve itself over time. The rot just sets in and spreads. We are watching a slow moving train crash all the way through to 2028

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JS 43 days ago

Agree fully. Look at what’s going on with Netball right now. However things should improve now that the useless “Backs Coach” has finally realised he is the main issue for the “lack of back play” Sorry to say but he should never have been there and should have followed Leon McD as he saw he was useless as well.

Things can’t get much worse so we live in hope

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Another 44 days ago

This is just weird commentary from both of you. If it upsets you so much, maybe it is time to stop following rugby?

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RugCs 45 days ago

This is complete nonsense. It’s a question of average cattle and mediocre coaching.

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SK 45 days ago

All Blacks havent really played particularly well this year but are 7 from 9. They traded tests with the Boks and Argie, and swept the French and Wallabies. Its not been hugely impressive but solid. Most of the furore has been over the nature of the loss to the Boks and the somewhat close nature of one or 2 games in the French series and the poor performance against Argie in one test but to be honest those ups and downs are symptomatic of team still trying to find themselves. Overall if Razor wins a Grand Slam it will be a pleasing year. Still lots of rugby to be played but right now I see no reason to doubt the coach

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Nickers 43 days ago

Which performances under Robertson do you think have been genuinely great?


Personally I think we played pretty poorly in that first test against SA at Eden Park, some times some luck and a few calls go your way which is what happened, so the nature of the performance were overlooked for the result, but ir foreshadowed what was to come. Two of the three games against France B/C were abysmal. It was their equivalent of a team made up entirely of NPC players and they gave us all sorts of problems. An NPC XV would get absolutely destroyed by France’s best team. Even the game that we won against Argentina was not a great performance. They opened us up all night, but we managed to find a big chink in their armour which we exploited to close out the game, but the 70 minutes leading up to that were scrappy at best - and again foreshadowed what was to come.

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Another 45 days ago

If you are going to quote somebody, make sure the context is provided too. Tony Brown, for example. was talking about how the AB attack was only part of a more holistic appraisal of all aspects of teamplay - set piece, collisions, the arial battle - and the confidence that stems from getting these little details right. So when the ABs were not ‘getting it right’ these are all things the ABs will know to work on.


Also, Laurie Mains was a very good coach in his day but he struggled in selection - making erroneous choices to fix perceived problems. For example, in the 1993 Lions series he grew concerned about the ABs lineout and decided to drop Ian Jones for the much bigger Mark Cooksley in the second test. Except it didn’t work - Cooksley may have been bigger but he was much less dynamic and the forward plays suffered.


The current ABs are better than that in selection, but the competition is simply getting more intense. Back in 1993, the All Blacks only played six tests. This year, they are playing 13 tests, last year 14. International teams are more professional and more are putting out teams that expect to beat them. The ABs are not quite right, but the constant intensity means they are probably making more progress than some might think.

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JW 44 days ago

Yes, he’s saying they are not getting things right. He assumes that the team should be playing better essentially. That this level of performance is not intended, that they are trying to produce something more, but aren’t getting right right and being able to do it.


Two clear examples are the disconnect in Tony’s biggest area of development, the kick chase, and as Nick Bishops recent article suggest, Tony Browns best area of expertise, transition from defence to attack and vice versa. Those are two huge components a team needs to be in sync for especially.

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