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Sky Sport commentator reveals All Blacks' downfall vs England

Beauden Barrett and Scott Robertson, Head Coach of New Zealand, react following the team’s defeat during the Quilter Nations Series 2025 rugby international match between England and New Zealand

When the All Blacks went 12-0 up in the 19th minute against England at Allianz Stadium, you would be forgiven for thinking this could be a performance to remember for Scott Robertson’s side.

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But that was far from the truth, as England scored 25 straight points to overcome the All Blacks in London.

Two drop goals from George Ford helped Steve Borthwick’s side reduce the margin late in the first half, before the All Blacks’ third quarter struggles came back to haunt them once again.

Sky Sports commentator and analyst Tony Johnson, who called the game in London, says that the issue for the All Blacks against England was that they looked fatigued just before halftime.

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“One other observation that I’d make is, I thought just coming up to half time, the All Blacks looked a bit fatigued, and I’m not quite sure what that was about, but they just looked a bit tired going into the break,” Johnson told Sky Sport.

“Maybe that was around that middle stage of the game where England were able to forge their way into a really good position, and as I say, the All Blacks fought well enough to get themselves in with a chance, but England just weren’t to be denied.”

The long-time commentator explains that this end-of-year Northern Tour for the All Blacks, has shown how hard securing a Grand Slam actually is.

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“First and foremost, I think what happened today just reminds us that it is hard to do a Grand Slam. I know the All Blacks did it in quick succession, 2005, 2008, and 2010 no one’s done it since then.

“Springboks haven’t done it, Australia hasn’t done it, and now the All Blacks haven’t done it, denied by an England team that did take control of the game through the middle phase.”

For long periods of the game in London, the All Blacks were well in the hunt of heading towards a potential Grand Slam if they were to beat Wales next week, but Johnson believes that when England kept the score ticking over with Ford’s drop goals, that was where the game was won.

“I thought New Zealand started really well, created those two early tries, but from then on, just little things happened that just stopped them from taking a firm grip on the game and I think you have to credit England for the way they just clawed their way back into the match.

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“I know sometimes in New Zealand we disparage the drop goal, but look, George Ford knew exactly what he was doing. He just kept the points ticking over, closed the gap at the break, and then really took control of the game.

“I think you have to give credit to England, they were the better team. The All Blacks, yes, again, missed some important opportunities that they could have rammed the game home with.

“But they weren’t able to do so and yep, that’s it. The Grand Slam not going to be this time.”

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Lurch 29 days ago

Of course our tiny nation of over achievers are stunned to our core that England have knocked us over for the 9th time in history. A match that counted for nothing other than £££. Be proud you mighty conquerers. Inventors of the sport. A selection pool of 20+ x more players than NZ. It defies, ne destroys logic that our men are in the debate.


Razor out. Everything else will fall into place. from a Cantab FYI


As for the game- retrospective referring and calamitous officiating is ruination defined. Long before “replay refereeing” new laws murdered fluency, flair, champagne rugby. All the unique qualities that reeled in future generations, recruited fans and players.


My theory on saving the game is a non starter & will not be shared here. Anyone got a “life bouy” for our beautiful game? Or do we roll over and accept defeat. Just like…. (you know) …

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cw 29 days ago

The wrong combinations were selected reflecting an unduly defensive and unambitious mindset that has plagued this season. The ABs needed to come out firing with their most attacking team, build a strong lead and then load up the bench 6-2 to ride out the inevitable English storm (and to combat the fatigue). But Robertson regressed and paid for it. And I dont agree that the ABs would lose if this game was repeated next week provided Robertson loaded his team up with his in form players and in the right positions. And that would require making tough calls including dropping Scott Barrett. And they have shown they can carve up any team.

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Greg Shoes 31 days ago

Let’s be honest here - Rusty Razor is the Donald Trump of rugby coaches

- same hair cut

- both do bad meme dances

- talks in riddles and can’t quite finish sentences

- only accepts sycophantic assistants

- supporters have a cult like reverence

- and then the whole Canterbury thing

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JW 30 days ago

You don’t just start and finish with the “whole Canterbury thing”?

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Greg Shoes 31 days ago

I think the ABs are tired, and lost because they are being overcoached - I think Razor is micro- managing - which ends up with players not being able to make instinctual decisions in-game. At the ABs level, the coach isn’t there to teach them how to catch and pass - he is supposed to be the oil making sure the engine is running - they look a-bit seized up at the moment

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PMcD 29 days ago

I’ve posted the link “For the Love of Rugby” and Ben Youngs makes similar comments to you Greg. He said the one thing he couldn’t believe is how there is such little attack structure or obvious plan in the NZ attack play. He’s looking for it and he says “it so unlike any other NZ team they have played”.


It definitely sounds like an attack coach issue but the structure and gameplan that Foster & JS left in attack has just gone.

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JW 30 days ago

being overcoached

Feels the same to me, not tired though, more like theyve been given sleeping pills.

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d 30 days ago

well someone needs to teach them how to catch. Frankly I think it also shows how poor Super Rugby is as a training ground when when have supposedly professional players with woeful kicking and catching skills.

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SunChaser 31 days ago

This game was won and lost in the set piece - the pack. Scrumming is blend of technique and mind set. This is a coaching issue.

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PMcD 31 days ago

No, the game was won and lost in defence. ENG had 193 tackles vs 114 to NZ - that’s a massive difference and the ENG defence constrained NZ to limit their points despite having more of the ball and a much better attack.


What’s interesting is the defence stats for ENG are almost identical to the AUS game, so this is their new baseline of play since moving to the 5x7’s in their 23.

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PMcD 31 days ago

As the players were shaking hands on the pitch afterwards, as Razor finishes congratulating people and is stood on his own, you actually see him take a big breath, a puff of the cheeks and a big exhale.


That to me says he knows it wasn’t good enough and the positive words on interview don’t match the body language he showed. I think he knows there will be a consequence, it’s just hard to see how deep that will be at this point but all will become clear in the summer.

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Frans 31 days ago

Next we will hear they had food poisoning…

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Frans 31 days ago

To be serious for a minute, the players were probably tired because NZ does not have the depth - or if they do, they are not being rotated enough to lessen the load. Again the depth of AB players could be increased significantly if they changed their policy on overseas players - just saying.

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PMcD 31 days ago

There are some common traits you start to see with the AB’s this year that are hard to deny.


The scrum has been poor compared to last year, which is strange given its the same players. A fit Lomax appears to have left a hole and Newell looks a different player when starting vs coming off the bench.


I actually think the back 5 forwards have improved but they are collectively bigger under Razor and are falling off in matches, so it needs a 6|2 strategy to maintain that 80 mins performance,. With the likes of Sititi, Kirifi & Dalton to pick from a 6|2 bench would quickly fix these issues.


However, the forwards are generally competitive but the back line looks lost in attack and is surprising how far this has fallen off since JS left, which probably tells you where the issues lie in that conundrum.


They have the players to be very competitive but the combinations and game strategy are off the mark. I think it’s clear that Razor and his team lacks experience at this level and are not making the progress they require. The big decision is does this sit with the assistants, who will likely see some changes this summer, or is the real issue with the man sitting at the top.


NZ will not allow lesser teams to overtake the AB’s and the loss yesterday was probably the most damaging of this year. Doing what they are doing isn’t working, so will be interesting to see what happens this summer as a result.

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JW 30 days ago

Wow, mate.


I think you’ve gone down the wrong track with your 7man theory. Take a look at the game stats, especially the breakdown/ruck! These are whopping numbers, the All Blacks allowed a crazy 88% lightening quick ball!! Your 7’s tactic certainly worked in favour of your offense though as you weren’t far behind!


These are abosolutely crazy numbers, compared to lasts years 30% and 40% especially. Will definitely have to rewatch. Also the meters gained thing is also a red herring I’d suggest, it’s just due to our depth and would actually mean your 7s weren’t good and stopping the attack. Most of the time I remember the ABs making it to the gainline and being stopped, this would be the passivity involved I think, a change from how they normally tackle?

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frandinand 30 days ago

You are missing a number 10 of international quality. All the arguments about Mounga are missing the point. You don't need another Carter just a number 10 who can take the ball to the line, who is a competent tactical kicker and goalkicker and who has the ability to set your backline away.

These are all attributes that your two current incumbents lack.

If I was a NZer I would be praying that Saturdays test was BBs last.

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Perthstayer 31 days ago

England won the game by executing an excellent strategy.


They won the game by being more intelligent and keeping the scoreboard ticking over.


England won the game because their bench strategy brings energy, quality and confidence.


England got into the ABs heads by doing what ABs used to do. Score at vital times and be strong in the final 3rd.


Sewing these seeds of doubt in turn reflected on sone ABs performances.


If they played again next week I cannot see how ABs would win.

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PMcD 31 days ago

ENG won that game due to their defence maintaining its shape, line speed and effectiveness for the full 80, whilst then scoring enough points from the limited opportunities they were given.


I think this has been building for ENG since the summer when they doubled down on the 5x7’s but they will also improve in attack, so will only get better from here on in.


It does feel like NZ are where ENG were last year, where a change of players, tactics, bench strategy and coaches has made a significant difference over the last 12 months.


Over to Razor to show he is the right man with the big decisions.

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PMcD 31 days ago

Grand Slams are tough because you basically have 3 very difficult fixtures in FRA (Paris), IRE (Dublin) & ENG (Twickenham), whilst SCO (Edinburgh) are always a banana skin fixture if you are not at your best and it gets progressively harder playing those games week after week.


To date it looks like SA are the team to beat and potentially ENG have overtaken NZ, whilst yesterday was a spark of life again in Dublin, so the next 6 Nations will be very interesting indeed.


All eyes on FRA vs ENG in Paris, for what will be an epic clash.

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Frans 31 days ago

The grand slam does not include France - it is against England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Used to be more difficult because Wales was a better team than they are currently.

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MO 31 days ago

Absolutely right - the ABs looked tired and simply a number of players fell off the performance. Just like Ireland, who ran out of steam against us, given it was their first game together and France definitely against South Africa. What were the French RU thinking - to play the Boks with a team that had not played together since April! Almost as stupid as NZRU - who flew the ABs from NZ to UK over a weekend allowing 4 days to acclimatize before the Boks on a Friday at Twickenham, on top of which the team hadnt played for 4 weeks and some players not for 6-7 weeks.


Beauden Barrett was spent during the England game - some of us predicted this given how banged up he was from Ireland & Scotland. The problem is Razor “I’m clueless” Robertson doesn’t have a choice - given that his backup DMAC has proven time and again that he’s inconsistent at #10. Ardie is absolutely spent too - yes he makes a couple of good plays, but that’s it. And no wonder he basically carried Mona Pacifica - the guys exhausted. But I bet you Razor will play him again against Wales, because Ardie will want to play. Scott Barrett was off the pace.


AND Parker! Please this guy needs more experience against Tier 2 teams, he’s not ready for the big league. Leroy Carter again showed he struggles to tackle - but sadly so did Quin Tupaea.


Roigard naturally tried to carry the team and did too much and got injured. On comes Ratima - just like in every game he plays, the ball slows down, as Ratima always takes time to move the ball away from the ruck. Or he tries to milk a penalty waiting and waiting for the ball to come out (OK Pollock had broken from scrum - not picked up by Ref or TMO) and gets caught with the ball.


While the Yellow Card was ridiculously harsh, I have to say the Ref was better than I expected. It was a game changing point…. but no criticism England throughly deserved to win.


Razor’s and Scooter’s performance in the post match interview sums up the dire state of ABs rugby at the moment. And its not that we dont have world-class players, with the exception of #10 - the ABs can match England man for man. The problem is the coaching. Its clearly not up to standard. The problem is NZRU are now scared to act tough.

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SO 30 days ago

Agree Razor seems to have it in his mind to play Chief players first and foremost.Parker so far does not cut the mustard too passive,Ratima should not be the 2nd 9, Tupeau has defence problems ALB is past it Carter well that missed tackle summed up his game.


BB game is over great in his day but cannot see him coming back from this and looking at him he really knows it.Got contract until 2027 so they will milk him for what they can! Ardie looked stuffed that Moana effort just too much. England were better but if Razor does learn something from this loss then there maybe something out of it unless he puts his head in the sand. Those going on about his lack of coaching internationally can just look at Warren Gatland with all his experience worth zilch.

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PMcD 31 days ago

As your team gets tired, you have to adapt. Razor’s inability to switch to 6|2 bench cost him and when you look at the lack of impact Lienert Brown made vs what something like Sititi & Kirifi would have added, he showed his inexperience again with those selections.


ENG were actually heroic in defence and their D stats are off the charts. However, AB’s had enough ball and didn’t do enough with it, which is the key point to this game.


The bigger forwards are struggling to maintain the 80 min performance levels and a 6|2 bench is only going to help that issue, which is a lesson Razor needs to learn.

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Ron Burgundy 31 days ago

Yes the energy drop was quite noticeable and England played it perfectly clawing back those drop goals - smart rugby


Lawrence made Carter look silly


Having looked like being 19-0 up it felt bad at HT


I cannot accept Taylor’s yellow and worry where rugby is heading after another red card for the Boks

Both joke calls


Taylor’s card led to a try and I felt the game was done


Credit to England

Better team and better 23 on the day


They were due a win but I had hoped it wouldn’t have been yet another inexcusable period in the game for the ABs

25 unanswered points


Razor needs to wake up

He needs to do some soul searching

Two coaches have left

And it sounds like Scott Hansen is little man on a power trip


Please please bring out the talent that hasn’t played in the squad and the ABs XV against wales

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Tom 31 days ago

That tackle on Lawerence was an absolute shocker. Probably cost the ABs the game. That moment gave England not just a try but a lot of confidence when they had been on the ropes.

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JW 31 days ago

I think he was looking at BB blowing. It was probably more being bruised than fatigued. Certainly not 100 though 3 games straight.

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frandinand 30 days ago

His day is done.

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J W 31 days ago

Incorrect starting line up

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B A 31 days ago

Tupou V Holland Paddy T Lomax Aumua all dudes to come back at some point those are all quality players to comeback to a match day 23 both Ardie and Scooter will be coming off sabbaticals next year get Dalton back in the mix Lakai Ardie Wallace all lock ins, Parker in probable’s along I reckon with Finau still gettin in there on his bash and size speed but Lio-Willie Flanders must be sniffing around

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PMcD 31 days ago

That will help but I doubt it closes the gap on SA and against ENG, they were missing Chessum, Martin, Fin Smith, Furbank, Daly & Freeman, so they will also take another step forward, especially in attack next season, with an even stronger bench.


The concern is that SA are pulling away and lesser teams like ENG will likely overtake them this year.


Relatively, Razor is going backwards compared to the others.

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JW 31 days ago

Didn’ they say only 5 or 10 players exist from last year? Jordan is the only one that’s not due to injury or retirement.

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Hammer Head 31 days ago

I thought they looked a bit tired Before the game. Cam Roigard had bags under his eyes during the anthems.

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JW 31 days ago

Apparently what caused Hollands scratching went through the whole team.


It wasn’t even a WC final.

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