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'Clumsy': Kiwi pundits weigh in on recent All Blacks discipline issues

Anton Lienert-Brown celebrates with Beauden Barrett of New Zealand during The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between New Zealand All Blacks and Australia Wallabies at Sky Stadium on September 28, 2024 in Wellington, New Zealand. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Long gone are the days where teams manage to play consecutive games without getting a single yellow or red card, and the All Blacks certainly have had their struggles to keep 15 players on the park in recent times.

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Scott Robertson and his coaching staff will be disappointed with their five yellow cards over the course of the two Tests in Argentina to start the Rugby Championship, especially going down to thirteen players at one point of time in Buenos Aires.

Sevu Reece, Will Jordan and Tupou Va’ai were the three culprits in the Buenos Aires loss, with referee Nic Berry deeming them to all have made cynical acts over the course of the 80 minutes.

Reece and Va’ai both intentionally knocked the ball down trying to catch a pass from an Argentinian player, and Jordan was deemed to have changed his line while chasing a chip kick towards his own 22.

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Four former All Blacks have discussed these discipline issues for Robertson’s men, ahead of arguably the biggest Test match in New Zealand since the 2011 Rugby World Cup final against France.

81-Test former All Black halfback Justin Marshall believes they have to be concerned with their recent discipline woes, because when you look at it historically, the All Blacks ship points when they are down a man.

“We’ve got to be concerned, because we leak points historically when we have players in the bin and it hurts the All Blacks,” Marshall said on The Breakdown on Sky Sport.

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“Hurt them in South Africa last year, when they lost Lomax, and all of a sudden the game really turned so we’ve got to be better in that space and equally, I feel a lot of them are 50/50, unnecessary yellows.

“l’d imagine a lot of those outside back ones are similar to what we saw from Argentina I thought, I’m pretty sure Barrett’s been done for like sticking your hand out nowadays, you just can’t do it.

“So there’s a lot that are team yellow cards, and you got to wear that, but a lot of them also are clumsy and inexcusable, and they’ve got to get better at it.”

Former All Black centurion Mils Muliaina explains that the concerning part of it is that they are not trusting their outside defenders.

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“The concerning part is that they’re not obviously trusting the defence, when you stick a hand out there, any of these guys coming across, it’s the system.

“So what does that come back to, are they sure that they know the defensive system? Do they trust a defensive system? That’s the clarity that they need to sort of try and get leading into South Africa.

“The one thing I would say also is nowadays, most teams are getting yellow cards. We leak a lot of points when we when we lose one, we lose two, we don’t sort of try and sort of hold things out and it’s a big concerning area for me.”

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Current Sky Sport analyst and former All Black first-five Stephen Donald is a firm believer that they won’t be able to give the Springboks that many opportunities, as they will have the quality to punish the Kiwis.

“It becomes a lot more important, not just in general, but when you think of this week, they want Pollard to be getting penalties within halfway,” Donald said.

“And if not, they want to be able to put a line out inside your 30 or 40, and that’s their greatest strength to attack from so more than ever.”

“I know there’s figures sort of around that, seven or eight penalties a game. If you can limit it to that, you imagine that you’re going to go long, long way to winning this Test match.”


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Tom 1 hour ago
Eben Etzebeth staring at huge ban after another red card

Well… I'd say the modern Boks are not a particularly violent team but it's impossible to getaway with much violence on an international rugby field now. The Boks of yesteryear were at times brutal. Whether or not the reputation is justified, they do have that reputation amongst a lot of rugby fans.

As for point 2.. it's a tricky one, I don't want to slander a nation here. I'm no “Bok hater”, but I've gotta say some Bok fans are the most obnoxious fans I've personally encountered. Notably this didn't seem to be a problem until the Boks became the best in the world. I agree that fans from other nations can be awful too, every nation has it's fair share of d-heads but going on any rugby forum or YouTube comments is quite tedious these days owing to the legions of partisan Bok fans who jump onto every thread regardless of if it's about the Boks to tell everyone how much better the Boks are than everyone else. A Saffa once told me that SA is a troubled country and because of that the Boks are a symbol of SA victory against all odds so that's why the fans are so passionate. At least you recognise that there is an issue with some Bok fans, that's more than many are willing to concede. Whatever the reason, it's just boring is all I can tell you and I can say coming from a place of absolute honesty I encounter far, far more arrogance and obnoxious behaviour from Bok fans than any other fanbase - the kiwis were nothing like this when they were on top. So look much love to SA, I bear no hatred of ill will, I just want to have conversations about rugby without being told constantly that the Boks are the best team in the world and all coaches except Rassie are useless etc



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