How 'a dumb play or two' could have hurt Jonny Hill with England
Jonny Hill was the big-name casualty on Tuesday evening when Steve Borthwick trimmed his England squad from 36 to 29 ahead of this Saturday’s Guinness Six Nations opener at home to Scotland. The 28-year-old lock, who joined Sale from Exeter for the 2022/23 club season, had been a firm favourite under Eddie Jones, Borthwick’s predecessor as England boss.
For instance, he started all seven of Jones’ last games in charge, returning for the July 2022 tour to Australia and continuing to be a first-choice Autumn Nations Series pick in a year that had started with him missing the entire Six Nations through a high ankle injury.
Hill now finds himself out of the England picture again with the latest Six Nations campaign set to start at Twickenham and how he reacts to his release by Borthwick will be interesting.
There was some media criticism of the second row for his concession of three penalties in the November finale loss to the Springboks, and his indiscipline was again commented on when Sale were knocked out of the Heineken Champions Cup with their January 21 loss at Ulster.
It was something that Sale boss Alex Sanderson referenced in his media briefing last week ahead of the league win over Bath, the upside and the downside of players such as Hill being so heavily involved in hectic contests. The DoR admitted that his player had made a couple of dumb plays in Belfast, an observation that also referenced Hill’s reportedly gigantic tackle count on the night.
Asked about the discipline of some of his senior players, including Hill, in being guilty of putting Sale in positions they didn’t want to be in during that European match in Ireland, Sanderson replied at the time: “Discipline, you are talking about Jonny, he made a dumb play or two that had a huge momentum swing in the game – I think you are referring to a penalty around the 50th minute, 55th minute where we struggled to get out of our half.
“That is on the back of him making 28 tackles which is a record since 2017 so I have heard. You can’t say that is alright because he makes 28 tackles, but all that intensity has to be controlled, the physicality has to be underpinned by decent discipline and the more dominant you are, and that was one of our less physically dominant performances that we have had, the more pressure you are under, the more likely you are going to make poorly decision and you fall across that line into indiscipline.
“So there are two ways of looking at it. If you are overthinking, you’re losing intensity. If you’re not dominant physically through your set-piece or through some of your collisions, then you run that risk of being on the back foot and trying to make a play rather than let defensive systems and physicality take care of it.
“So it’s how you picture it really. Everyone talks about discipline and you automatically think of the negative where if you do the good things better it doesn’t even come into it.”
Hill was one of two Sale forwards released by Borthwick after a week and a half preparing for the England round one Six Nations game, their first outing with the ex-Leicester boss now in charge in place of Jones. The Toulouse-based Jack Willis was also cut as was Leicester prop Joe Heyes. The three backs omitted were Northampton’s Alex Mitchell, Leicester’s Guy Porter and Harlequins’ Cadan Murley.
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1 Go to commentsA very well thought out summary of all the relevant complications…agree with your ”refer the Cricket Test versus 20/20 comparison”. More also definitely doesn't necessarily mean better!
1 Go to commentsMust be something when you are only 19 y.o and both NZ and France want you. Btw he wasn’t the only new caledonian in french U20 as Robin Couly also lived in Noumea until 17. Hope he’s successful wherever he chooses to play.
7 Go to comments“Several key players in the Stade Rochelais squad are in their thirties” South Africans are going to hate the implications of that comment!
5 Go to commentsI know Leinster did a job on La Roche but shortly after HT Leinster were 30-13 ahead of them and at a similar time Toulouse were trailing Exeter. At 60 mins Leinster were 27 ahead but after 67 mins Toulouse were only 19 ahead before Exeter collapsed. That’s heavier scoring by Leinster against the Champions. I think people are looking at Toulouses total a little too much. I also think Northhampton are in with a real chance, albeit I’d put Leinster as favourites. If Leinster make the final I expect them to win by more than ten and with control.
5 Go to commentsHey Nick, your match analysis is decent but the top and tail not so much, a bit more random. For a start there’s a seismic difference in regenerating any club side over a test team. EJ pretty much had to urinate with the appendage he’d been given at test level whereas club success is impacted hugely by the budget. Look no further than Boudjellal’s Toulon project for a perfect example. The set ups at La Rochelle and Leinster are like chalk and cheese and you are correct that Leinster are ahead. Leinster are not just slightly ahead though, they are light years ahead on their plans, with the next gen champions cup team already blooded, seasoned and developing at speed from their time manning the fort in the URC while the cream play CC and tests. They have engineered a strong talent conveyor belt into their system, supported by private money funnelled into a couple of Leinster private schools. The really smart move from Leinster and the IRFU however is maximising the Irish Revenue tax breaks (tax relief on the best 10 years earnings refunded at retirement) to help keep all of their stars in Ireland and happy, while simultaneously funding marquee players consistently. And of course Barrett is the latest example. But in no way is he a “replacement for Henshaw”, he’s only there for one season!!! As for Rob Baxter, the best advice you can give him is to start lobbying Parliament and HMRC for a similar state subsidy, but don’t hold your breath… One thing Cullen has been very smart with is his coaching team. Very quickly he realised his need to supplement his skills, there was talk of him exiting after his first couple of years but he was extremely shrewd bringing in Lancaster and now Nienaber. That has worked superbly and added a layer that really has made a tangible difference. Apart from that you were bang on the money… 😉😂
5 Go to commentsNot sure exactly what went wrong for him at Glasgow but it’s pretty clear he ain’t Franco’s cup of tea. Suspect he would have been better served heading out of Scotland around the same time as Finn, Hoggy and Jonny!
1 Go to commentsBulls disrespected the Northampton supporters and the competition. Decide quickly, fully in or out.
25 Go to commentsI wonder if Parling was ever on England’s radar as a coach? Obviously Borthwick is a great lineout coach, but I do worry he might be taking on too much as both head coach and forwards coach.
1 Go to commentsJason Jenkins has one cap. When Etzebeth was his age he had over 80 caps. Experience matters. He will never amount to what Etzebeth has because he hasn’t been developed as an international player.
2 Go to commentsSays much about the player picking this gig over the easier and bigger rewards offered to him in Japan. Also says a lot about the state sanctioned tax benefits the Irish Revenue offers pro rugby players, with their ten highest earning years subject to an additional 40% tax relief and paid as a lump sum, in cash, at retirement. Certainly helps Leinster line up the financial ducks in a row to fund marquee signings like this!!! No other union anywhere in world rugby benefits from this kind of lucrative financial sponsorship from their government…
5 Go to commentsTrue Jordie could earn a lot more in Japan. But by choosing Leinster he’ll be playing with 1 of the best clubs in the world and can win a champions cup and URC…..
6 Go to commentsThanks for that Marshy, noticed you didn't say who is gonna win it. We know who ain't gonna win it - your Crusaders outfit. They've gone from having arguably the best Super Rugby first five ever, to having a clutch of rookies. Hurricanes all the way!
1 Go to commentsGeez you really have to question the NRLs ability to produce players of quality. Its pathetic. Dont the 25mil in Aus produce enough quality womens players. Sad.
1 Go to commentsBulls fan here, and agree 100% with the conclusion (and little else) of this article. SA sides should absolutely f-off from the champs cup until we get fair scheduling, equal support for travel arrangements and home semis. You know, like all the european teams get.
25 Go to commentsI’m yet to see why Grace would be an ABs contender. He’s pedestrian and lacks the dominance required of a top flight 8.
11 Go to commentsGee my Highlanders were terrible. They have gone backwards since the start of the season. The trouble began when we left Millar behind to prep as the 10 against the Brumbies and he was disconnected from the team that came back from Aussie. We rested Patchell for that game and we blew an avalanche of ball in good attacking positions in the 1st half. Against the Rebels we seem to of gone into a pod system with forwards hanging off from the breakdown leaving Fakatava to secure our ball!
80 Go to commentsPot Kettle, the English and French teams have done it for years.
25 Go to commentsHas virtually played every minute of previous games. Back row of Li Lo Willie , Grace and Blackadder would be the 1. Crusaders issue is a very average 1st 5 who cannot run. Kicking in general play is also below par They need to put Yong Kemara in. He must have so.e talent for them to bring him down from Waikato. Hoehepa would struggle to play in so.e club sided
11 Go to commentsI hope this a good thing making all these changes!
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