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Ian Foster: 'You kid yourself that we were robbed'

Ian Foster, Head Coach of New Zealand, looks on as he walks past The Webb Ellis Cup during the Rugby World Cup Final match between New Zealand and South Africa at Stade de France on October 28, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Michael Steele - World Rugby/World Rugby via Getty Images)

More than one year on from the Rugby World Cup final in Paris, former All Blacks head coach Ian Foster says he can’t help but continue to revisit the game in his head.

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The Test brought a 12-year All Blacks coaching career – the final four of which were spent as head coach – to a dramatic close for Foster, who succeeded Sir Steve Hansen as head coach of the side following the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

Having now reunited with Hansen at Toyota Verblitz in Japan, Foster says he has moved on from his tumultuous head coaching tenure with the team, although certain moments from the final do continue to haunt him.

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“You can tell by my body language that yes, I do go back to it. You can’t not go back to it,” Foster told DSPN with Martin Devlin after shuffling in his chair while he searched for the words to describe his feelings about the match.

“I go back to it with a lot of pride with where the team got to, and to get to that final on the big stage and get so close, I was actually so proud with that but also incredibly disappointed that we didn’t cross the line.

“I like to focus more on things that we could control, things that maybe we could have done a little bit better and so I think you kid yourself that we were robbed you end up becoming a little bit cynical and you end up blaming other people for it.

“So, for me, we did what we had to do but we weren’t quite good enough to get the result and that’s the game. It’s probably what World Cup finals are about, they’re about tension and drama and you’d have to say I delivered that pretty well.”

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It was indeed a match not lacking in drama as New Zealand were reduced to 14 men but continued to fight tooth and nail into the dying moments before succumbing to a one-point defeat.

Foster rejecting the notion his side were robbed is in stark contrast with Steve Hansen’s view, who on the same podcast last week claimed: “This is a team that should have won the World Cup, they were robbed of the World Cup as far as I’m concerned with some poor decisions that were out of their control which cost them a World Cup.”

Foster’s fate was already decided despite his team eliminating World No. 1 ranked Ireland in the quarter-final and pummeling Argentina to book their ticket to rugby’s grandest stage. Scott Robertson was named as his replacement seven months ahead of the World Cup.

Having taken some time for himself in 2024, Foster has now returned to an assistant coaching role after turning down international coaching opportunities.

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“Look, I love coaching. I gave myself a decent window of time after the World Cup just to wind down and figure out what was next. I thought club land was the way to go rather than looking at the international stage. Particularly with a real desire not to coach against the All Blacks at least for the near future.

“That’s why I am where I am and not regretting it for a moment. I’m really enjoying the good people up thre, it’s a club that’s highly motivated.

“They haven’t won much in the past and they see this as a real opportunity for them so I’m excited by their ambition.”

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JW 34 days ago

Both of these views can be held and remain equally valid.


One is talking 'matter of factly' in a constructive argument based way, the other is talking from the perspective of someone who believes they might be in the same situation again and need to focus on the controllables.


The thing with Foster is, unluck Rassie in this game, he still doesn't seem to realise the ref is someone you can exert control of or manipulate. Barnes is a shocker for that (not that most of the effective/decisive decisions were made by him).

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BH 34 days ago

I always wonder if the Springboks lost if Rassie would've made another video moaning about the refereeing like he did with the Lions tour. Well actually, there's no need to wonder, we all know he would've made that video 😅😅😅😅

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JW 34 days ago

I'm interested in what decisions you think might have gone against South Africa?

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EW 34 days ago

ABs were robbed by a weak referee and a TMO who the year before had redcarded them out of the Irish series, in the 2nd test.

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YeowNotEven 34 days ago

Respect, Fozzie. You’re a man of integrity.

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RedWarrior 34 days ago

SA beat NZ by 35-7 on the eve of the tournament. Clearly superior. SA overcame a team in France that were also far superior to NZ. SA were flat and fatigued in the semi final against a rested England and they were even more tired in the final. NZ breezed a semi final team of the same standard as Wales.


Ireland and France can have some claims of unfairness with the draw pitting them at QF stage against treble champions with RWC finals and medals galore amongst their squads.


But nobody can argue with SAs victory.


If NZ had won, it would have just meant the dodgy draw won.


England almost bounced SA and would have been hammered in the final. We were that close to seeing the tournament draw turn the tournament to utter farce. SA had to win.

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JW 34 days ago

You are repeatedly reminded that South African players had played the least minutes of anyone in the knockouts. They were the fit and firing of anyone, save Marx injury. That you still fail to acknowledge this leaves me flummoxed with how such a nation was able to able to attain rank 1.


It would be more relevenat basing off an actual competition game the previous month, where the 2nd half was dead even.


An England with Ford being used to drop goal them to victory would have been unbeatable in this tournement.

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Flankly 34 days ago

Credit to Foster. Modern rugby culture is boring, with winners crowing and losers blaming, and too few fans, players and coaches embracing results, like adults.


The truth about red cards is that some teams find ways to avoid them, and others don't. None of Scotland, Australia and South Africa has had an RWC red card in over 25 years. How do you do that? Well, I am sure that it helps to bring in an experienced ref to advise the team, to train the players on tackle technique, and to select players that don't play too close to the edge.


It is true that a 2023 RWC final without the red card could have had a different outcome, but it is also true that NZ created an incident that many refs would call as a red card. They did not get away with it, which is not the same as being unfairly treated, much less being "robbed" (which arrogantly suggests that they had a right to the win).


Great to see Foster being sportsmanlike, despite a tough loss. Fair play.

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JW 34 days ago

That's not the truth at all, you're in fairtale territory. The only difference between those to types of teams, is luck.


That lie has been found out, with those teams previously sharing the kudos for working on discipline, now some of being the worst. It is simply a poor indignation of the quality, and easyness, of refereeing. Even the judiciary panel called Sam Cane, a liar.


One thing I will say to any South African readers, after watching a replay of the Final again to see how many tackles Frizell made, was that I viewed Frizells takedown of Bongi incorrectly. It having reviewed during that period, I had failed to watch the live footage, I had only analyzed the replays. Previously, I tried to defend Frizell for pulling out of the neck roll and, instead, accidentally falling on Bongi's leg. The angle that I saw live made be look closer and indeed, Frizell was indeed trying to level him off. As Bongi himself said afterwards "thank god for my NECK", because otherwise Frizells full weight would have done a lot more damage I'd imagine (which I think was his own point).


So previously I had critized the review officer for giving Cane a (incorrect) red card because he couldn't/didn't give one to Frizell. Now I can understand more where he was coming from. So mainly, I'd just like to apologize to and SAn's who I had tried to defend that situation of only deserving of a penalty for (if that), when in fact it was more deserving of a red than Sam Canes tackle imo.

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mc 34 days ago

Australia will never get a red card because their players a4e soft useless cxxts

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RedWarrior 34 days ago

I don't agree the 2023 final would have had a different outcome. SA were leading and in control when the incident happened. SA made a mistake by trying to manage the result thereafter... and nearly f-ed it up. That's all.

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Ed the Duck 34 days ago

Foster seems to have a more realistic view on how things played out and it’s always more productive to look in the mirror first rather than point the finger elsewhere. Even if it is more difficult at times, so fair play to him for that.

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JW 34 days ago

How did you think their views differed?

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RedWarrior 34 days ago

He literally directly blamed the TMO and refereeing decisions in the Presser after the match leading to death threats against Wayne Barnes.

Why doesn't he acknowledge this in this interview?

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BH 35 days ago

Uh oh another clickbait headline for the frothing Saffas ready to bash their keyboards in anger and disgust, unless they fully read the entire article.

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Ace 34 days ago

🤣 Son, trolling is a fine art and you're not even close to mastering it.

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GrahamVF 35 days ago

Who was first in line for the clickbait. Not a Saffa.

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Mzilikazi 1 hour ago
Is the overlap dying in modern rugby?

A very interesting article, Nick. On beautiful and unseasonly cool summer morning here in our part of Qld., as the sun rises over the distant Border Ranges beyond the misty Lockyer Valley, that winter of '63 in the British Isles is now a distant but clear memory. There was a very heavy snowfall in Ulster, I was at school in Belfast. The snow was so heavy by mid morning that the headmaster closed down, sent us all home. Fine for those 99% of the kids who lived within a few miles of the school in E. Belfast. But my brother and I lived up on the Antrim Plateau, a good hour away. It was an interesting journey home, including a three mile hike along narrow country lanes !


It will be interesting to see how Ireland go this year in the 6N. The Nienaber defence revolution at Leinster is bound to be to the fore, with the dominance of that province in the make up of the team. However I would hope the legacy of the Lancaster era is still strong too. I'm not feeling too confident atm, with the AB game and the 2024 England 6N defeat too fresh in the memory.


Great clips from the JPR era. I see John Dawes involved there, and he was so often crucial with his ability to pass accurately under pressure. That is what is missing in the LAR game clips. A John Dawes type ability to pass well under pressure. I feel the teams that cause the rush defence problems will always be those that use out the back accurate passes to create space for the wide player, be he a Cheslin Kolbe or a big fast modern age forward,

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JW 2 hours ago
Scott Robertson has to take charge of his All Blacks in 2025

Haha crap man I wouldn't know if SR has ever made a profit. ABs subsidize everything. Factors like SR clubs not paying 'for' their ABs etc, normal having a star would cost you 2 or 3x as much as a regular, but NZR covers all that in NZ. Pretty sure was the case for the other two partners too. I doubt even NZR knows the exact ratios sponsors like Sky/Adidas/AIG/Altrad/Investec give for local product.


No doubt SR used to make more money with the 3 partners, but of course it was also split 3 way. TBH I don't think its going to be much different (I think the new deal is still higher than before?). That last deal was bumper despite the comp being in decline, then SA left and the deal was probably worth even more for NZ? Can't recall how that played out I think Sky kept the agreemnt (fully). They'll be taking a big hit but it would be anything to do with the state of the game.


So when you say bleeding, you mean since around 2013/14 right? When SA'n and Aussie crowds finally stopped turning up to watch NZ smash them every week. So again, I was just stating your picture was wrong, and you've got the wrong causes, I don't disagree too much with the idea it's 'bleeding' though, id1ots were complaining about NZ sides getting a rough deal come final time for a loooong period and lots of other things that dragged the game down but on the field it just kept getting better and better. The problem is this nationalistic concept, that caught up on them (previously being the great driver for interest) and fans didn't care about the top four teams like every other sports competition in the world. They only cared about their local teams not winning.


No, SR wasnt optimal, which is what it was recommended to have just the SR Pacific comp instead. I'm not sure how much better things are now though. It needs time?


I know how I'd like to find equilibrium and it's much like what you propose. One big difference is I just don't think they need to cut SR. I would switch investment into an NPC/fully domestic scene + youth, like you, I'd just have like a much shorter SR season and I'd try and create a university scene rather than high school, that little extra age demographic matters a lot to investment/interest.


It's what the NRL can pay, and I think I heard it recently for someone in the spot light. I used it as a future figure more than anything though, the idea being these other leagues are only going to be more and more competitive, so much so they take away local talent before it can have a chance to develop. And once it goes they're unlikely to develop into the player they would have here. Not choosing a path that can compete will be a disaster imo. Thus the All Black decline.


I think don't think theres any reason your ideas can't work though, with maybe a added little flair here and there to drive some extra revenue. 20 is just a number to get a picture how many of top 60 might dissapear, it's nothing Id calculated. Think of it as an 'at any particular time' number.


In general I think people so quickly forget those that leave and all hope is placed on the next guy. Think that were talking top 4 or 5 in a position, there are a lot of positions that don't place much past the number 3. Look at Bell, theres no one he would be one of NZ top dozen hookers, numerous people would have left without getting a shot and the likes of Riccitelli or Eklund are obvious better. You've got first fives like Burke, Jordan, Falcon, Black, Plummer next year, Ioane Sopoaga, West who at any one time are going to be 3, 4, and 5 in NZ order. You've TKB, Smith, now Perenara, Weber, even Ruru is having a standout season and ALL would be better than the 3rd best local in Hotham or Christie. Now weve got last season statistical best full back leaving in Stevenson, he's joining Moorby and Rayasi, Bridge, and god knows who else who's having an awesome year that would break him into the All Blacks if it was in Super Rugby. Midfield is stacked when at home would be scratching around for guys like the Umaga-Jensen boys hoping they were fit to fill out 4 or 5th best 2nd5 and centers, when the likes of TJ Faiane, Nankiville, Seta, Aso, Fekitoa, Goodhue, Leicester, Ngani, even one of my fav Rob Thompson would be better than getting down to picks like Aumua, Ennor, McCleod, Tupea, and those that would have to come after them. We've got some of my fav loosies in Lachlan Boshier, Charlie Gamble, Whetu Douglas overseas, now Akira, never my talented players like.


I think your top 60 must have be a picture of the 36 man Crusaders squad plus a list of last years All Blacks! Obviously I've gone off track here as sure, these players leave a big whole but it's not one that NZ hasn't been able to fill in the past while maintaining quality SR sides (the periods when it was rocking), but there will be a time when loosing too many of those quality players has a much bigger impact than the already currently disillusioned SR fan can take.


Bottom line is Australia have far more talent and players that we do (statistically) and all that would need to have in the short term to fix your perceived problem with Super Rugby is trade some the best NZ players into the Aus sides. Simple, problem solved, competitive comp achieved.

cut off super rugby and stop the bleeding . put all the money back into the remaining competitions

Is too quick, many will see it as an opportunity to leave and that starts the very risky slope. You have to have a plan. Any change needs to be gradual and with a better future prospect, until then, voices like yours are only going to undermine any possible immediate success.

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