England assistant reckons losing to Scotland 'could be good for us'
New England attack coach Martin Gleeson has suggested that last weekend’s round one Guinness Six Nations defeat to Scotland could eventually be seen as a positive for Eddie Jones’ side. Having drawn a line in the sand following last season’s derisory fifth-place finish, the head coach has since overhauled his coaching staff and has revamped his player roster by bringing in numerous new faces into the set-up.
Fout of those newcomers from last July’s summer series will start against Italy this Sunday – Freddie Steward, Marcus Smith, Harry Randall and Alex Dombrandt – a contest they go into off the back of tasting a first Test level defeat last weekend in Edinburgh.
Steward and Smith were starters at Murrayfield, with Dombrandt coming off a bench where Randall was an unused sub. Losing at international level was a new experience for them and it was the same for Jones’ new staff, the trio of attack coach Gleeson, defence coach Anthony Seibold and forwards coach Richard Cockerill who all came on board for the hat-trick of Autumn Nations Series successes.
No one ever likes to lose but for a new group, it could ultimately prove to be a tonic. At least that is what Gleeson, an England recruit from Wasps after a lifetime before that in rugby league, is banking on. “You learn, you figure things out and you think can we get better,” he said from Rome ahead of Sunday’s round two match.
“You probably learn more in a defeat than you do in a victory, In the long run, it could be good for us but there was a lot of learnings from that and a lot of things to take going forward into this week.” Asked to elaborate on what those learnings were specifically when it came to attacking coach remit, he said: “A couple, yeah. Well, we hopefully will get to see that tomorrow [Sunday].”
Much will likely depend on how Marcus Smith functions this week with an eight/nine combination of Alex Dombrandt and Harry Randall compared to last week’s starters, Sam Simmonds and Ben Youngs.
“Harry will bring some tempo and he will bring some speed and we are looking forward to seeing him link up with Marcus. In training, they have built up their combination and then we will go with experience coming off the bench. We want a fast start against Italy with the nine/ten and with Alex coming in for the familiarity with Marcus, we are excited to see what that can bring us.
“We want to play a high tempo game, we want to play fast when we are in the right areas and we want to take our opportunities. We want to get excited about the game, we want to get excited about the opportunities that will present themselves against Italy.”
It was approaching noon on Saturday when Gleeson spoke at a virtually held media briefing from the England team hotel. “We just walked through what we needed to walk through. Everyone is fit and ready to go tomorrow. The weather’s beautiful.
“We haven’t been to the stadium yet, we only got in late last night. We just went for a little bit of a walk down to where we did our captain’s run, stopped off at a coffee shop on the way back and here I am, so we have not really ventured out anywhere yet.
“There was a lot of positives in the Scotland game. Some of the set-piece work and some of our kick returns to get in some good areas was really good, some bits off the back of that we missed opportunities. We know that as staff and players and we just want to get better as a group and the team selected this week is the team we feel is best suited to face Italy.
“You want to be ruthless when you get in positions to create opportunities and then post points and put your foot on the floor of the opposition. We certainly want to do that and we think we can do that better.”
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It was a pleasure to watch those guys playing with such confidence. That trio can all be infuriating for different reasons and I can see why Jones might have decided against them. No way to justify leaving Ikitau out though. Jorgensen and him were both scheduled to return at the same time. Only one of them plays for Randwick and has a dad who is great mates with the national coach though.
53 Go to commentsBrayden Iose and Peter Lakai are very exciting Super Rugby players but are too short and too light to ever be a Test 8 vs South Africa, France, Ireland, and England, Lakai could potentially be a Test player at 7 if he is allowed to focus on 7 for Hurricanes.
5 Go to commentsPencils “Thomas du Toit” into possible 2027 Bok squad.
1 Go to commentsDon’t see why Harrison makes the bench. Jones can play at 10 if needed, and there is a good case for starting her there to begin with if testing combinations. That would leave room for Sing on the bench
1 Go to commentsWhat a load of old bull!
1 Go to commentsOf the rugby I’ve born witness to in my lifetime - 1990 to date - I recognize great players throughout those years. But I have no doubt the game and the players are on average better today. So I doubt going back further is going to prove me wrong. The technical components of the game, set pieces, scrums, kicks, kicks at goal. And in general tactics employed are far more efficient, accurate and polished. Professional athletes that have invested countless hours on being accurate. There is one nation though that may be fairly competitive in any era - and that for me is the all blacks. And New Zealand players in general. NZ produces startling athletes who have fantastic ball skills. And then the odd phenomenon like Brooke. Lomu. Mcaw. Carter. Better than comparing players and teams across eras - I’ve often had this thought - that it would be very interesting to have a version of the game that is closer to its original form. What would the game look like today if the rules were rolled back. Not rules that promote safety obviously - but rules like: - a try being worth 1 point and conversion 2 points. Hence the term “try”. Earning a try at goals. Would we see more attacking play? - no lifting in the lineouts. - rucks and break down laws in general. They looked like wrestling matches in bygone eras. I wonder what a game applying 1995 rules would look like with modern players. It may be a daft exercise, but it would make for an interesting spectacle celebrating “purer” forms of the game that roll back the rules dramatically by a few versions. Would we come to learn that some of the rules/combinations of the rules we see today have actually made the game less attractive? I’d love to see an exhibition match like that.
29 Go to commentsIrish Rugby CEO be texting Andy Farrell “Andy, i found our next Kiwi Irishman”
5 Go to commentsI certainly don’t miss drinking beers at 8am in the morning watching rugby games being played in NZ.
1 Go to commentsThis looks like a damage limitation exercise for Wales, keeping back some of their more effective players for the last 20/25 minutes to try and counter England’s fresh legs so the Red Roses don’t rack up a big score.
1 Go to commentsVery unlikely the Bulls will beat Leinster in Dublin. It would be different in Pretoria.
1 Go to commentsI think it is a dangerous path to go down to ban a player for the same period that a player they injured takes to recover. Players would be afraid to tackle anyone. I once tackled my best friend at school in a practice match and sprained his ankle. I paid for it by having to play fly-half instead of full-back for the rest of that season’s fixtures.
5 Go to commentsJust such a genuine good bloke…and probably the best all round player in his generation. Good guys do come first sometimes and he handled the W.Cup loss with great attitude.
2 Go to commentsWord in France is that he’s on the radar of a few Top14 clubs.
5 Go to commentsGet blocking Travis, this guy has styles and he’s gonna make a swift impact…!
1 Go to commentsWhat remorse? She claimed that her dangerous tackle wasn’t worthy of a red! She should be compensating the injured player for loss of earnings at the minimum. Her ban should include the recovery time of the injured player as well as the paltry 3 match ban.
5 Go to commentsArdie is a legend. Finished and klaar. Two things: “Yeah, yeah, I have had a few conversations with Razor just around feedback on my game and what I am doing well, what I need to improve on or work-ons. It’s kind of been minimal, mate, but it’s all that I need over here in terms of how to be better, how to get better and what I am doing well.” I hope he’s downplaying it - and that it’s not that “minimal”. The amount of communication and behind the scenes preparation the Bok coaches put into players - Rassie and co would be all over Ardie and being clear on what is expected of him. This stands out for me as something teams should really be looking at in terms of the boks success from a coaching point of view. And was surprised by the comment - “minimal”. In terms of the “debate” around Ireland and South Africa. Nice one Ardie. Indeed. There’s no debate.
2 Go to commentsThere’s a bit of depth there but realistically Australian players have a long way to go to now catch up. The game is moving on fast and Australia are falling behind. Australian sides still don’t priories the breakdown like they should, it’s a non-negotiable if you want to compete on the international stage. That goes for forwards and backs. The Australian team could have a back row that could make a difference but the problem is they don’t have a tight five that can do the business. Tupou is limited in defence, overweight and unfit and the locks are a long way from international standard. Frost is soft and Salakai-Loto is too small so that means they need a Valentini at 8 who has to do the hard graft so limits the effectiveness of the backrow. Schmidt really needs to get a hard working, tough tight 5 if he wants to get this team firing.
3 Go to commentsSorry Morgan you must have been the “go to for a quote” ex player this week. Its rnd 6 and there is plenty of time to cement a starting 15 and finishing 8 so I have no such concerns.
2 Go to commentsGreat read. I wish you had done this article on the ROAR.
2 Go to commentsThe current AB coaching team is basically the Crusaders so it smacks of wanting their familiar leaders around. This is not a good look for the future of the ABs or the younger players in Super working their way up the player ladder. Razor is touted as innovative, forward looking but his early moves look like insecurity and insular, provincial thinking. He is the AB's coach not the Golden Oldies.
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