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All Blacks-Ireland rivalry peaked in 2023, it's over now

PARIS, FRANCE - OCTOBER 14: Rieko Ioane of New Zealand celebrates victory at full-time following the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between Ireland and New Zealand at Stade de France on October 14, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)
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Since the infamous breakthrough win in Chicago in 2016 for Ireland over the All Blacks, an explosive new rivalry was built between a historic power and new age challenger.

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New Zealand refused to accept that the plucky Irish were equals, but the string of counterpunch victories undeniably defied those beliefs. The two engaged in a tit-for-tat ledger, with Ireland logging wins in 2018, 2021, and the famous series win in New Zealand in 2022.

Throughout this time Ireland had reached the world number one ranking, challenging New Zealand’s long-standing supremacy in the game.

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But since the 2023 Rugby World Cup quarter-final, this shortly lived great rivalry has retreated.

The gut-wrenching 28-24 end to Johnny Sexton’s career and end to Ireland’s semi-final dream in 2023 now looks like the peak between these two nations.

Ireland have not been able to deliver the counter-blow to avenge that defeat, instead falling on their sword twice, while losing standing to both France and South Africa.

They’ve lost the last two Six Nations titles to France, while the 2024 home loss to the All Blacks in Dublin sunk the mood surrounding this Ireland team like a lead balloon.

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Caelan Doris’ side came into the 2024 fixture full of confidence that they’d keep a home winning streak alive and keep the train rolling. They were the number one ranked side after coming away with a miraculous 1-1 series draw against the Springboks in July and a Six Nations title in March.

That night a Damian McKenzie-inspired performance rolled Ireland in their own backyard for a 23-13 win. They haven’t recovered since.

The 2025 fixture in Chicago was even more alarming. The final 26-13 scoreline flatters Ireland after the All Blacks ran rampant in the final 15 minutes. A couple of tries were called back, sparing Ireland the humiliation of 40 points.

Despite Scott Robertson not satsifying his bosses demands, he had Ireland’s number. If that was an All Blacks team that was not performing, how many points will they put on Ireland when they are?

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Ireland have been dealing with instability throughout this cycle due to Andy Farrell’s sabbatical with the British & Irish Lions.

As a result they’ve flip-flopped around at flyhalf, unable to decide who is running the show between Sam Prendergast, Jack Crowley or Ciaran Frawley. Given that Ireland’s attacking system is heavily reliant on the flyhalf, this has proved costly. They may convince themselves they are building depth but really they are hamstringing themselves.

A number of their veterans are getting long in the tooth like Tadhg Furlong and Bundee Aki. The inevitable turnover is due and perhaps Ireland is clinging to experience too long. Even the new players like Stuart McCloskey are old, at 33 years of age.

This Ireland team, who are full of players 30 years old and over, no doubt will meet a younger, athletic All Blacks side at Eden Park.

Cam Roigard and Ruben Love are 25. Wallace Sititi and Peter Lakai are 23. Sam Darry and Josh Lord are 25. Even experienced players like Will Jordan and Jordie Barrett are 28 and 29 respectively.

The dad’s army of midfielders Garry Ringrose (31), Robbie Henshaw (33) and McCloskey (33) will meet Jordie Barrett (29) and Billy Proctor 27 or Quinn Tupaea 27.

Across the board the All Blacks will be much younger, more fitter and perhaps hungrier.

Under Dave Rennie the new-look All Blacks are playing with a mentality to run teams off the park. Hammer them with speed and tempo until they can’t handle it anymore. They kicked just six times in the first half against France and just four times against Italy over the first 40.

Rennie’s were criticised for a lack of accuracy in the first half but eventually the defensive load took it’s toll and Italy cracked. The plan worked.

Ireland themselves have not been impressive. Against Australia with their first team they escaped the jaws of defeat in Sydney after some luck. Down by 24-12 they crucially scored right on half-time with a dubious forward pass. They were spared after Ben Donaldson’s late penalty goal sailed way wide.

Against Japan with a rotated line-up they battled away without being able to escape the Brave Blossoms. It was a sleep-inducing march to the finish line in Newcastle.

Ireland are walking into the Lions’ den with poor form and an old team. The rest of the world is still doubting the All Blacks, writing off the win against Italy as a ‘weak’ opponent. The Italians beat England and Ireland just scrapped past them by 20-13 in Dublin.

After Saturday the world will wake up to this All Blacks team. Ireland will take an absolute licking and head home with serious questions to answer.

The last time Ireland came to Eden Park, they were blown away 42-19 after a first half injury to Johnny Sexton derailed the team.

This time will be no different.

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JW 31 days ago

Such a shame Ireland have fallen off the radar, they were a serious good team running Lancasters attack.

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PickOllieMathisOrKeepLosing,Rob. 33 days ago

Even I want Ireland to win now after reading that.

Ben Smith is secretly being paid by Andy Farrel to write motivational pieces for Ireland.

Disgraceful, low down dirty move.

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GrahamVF 34 days ago

Ben needs to have a serious talk to his sub-editors. His English is appalling.

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Lou Cifer 34 days ago

ABs by 30+ it is🥳I’m so glad to see Rennie is already the new messiah after just TWO games

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CG 34 days ago

Ben is spot on again

Poor old paddies are in for shellacking

He sure winds up the AWB boys

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unknown 34 days ago

Tbf all the people here slagging off Ben forget he’s the one who gets all the clicks on his articles…


As an Ireland fan, he’s also not wrong, but hoping the old ponies can pull something out the bag on Saturday

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PR 34 days ago

I think it’s better for Ben Smith if we see him as a troll because if you take his ‘analysis’ at face value he is by far the most misguided and talentless rugby writer on the planet.

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Zac 34 days ago

Run away Ben..I’m a Kiwi and a supporter of Rennie..but I think that we need to muscle up in the forwards if we are to beat Ireland who will bring it to us hard up front. It will be physical. The Italians dominated our pack in the first half. We have to front..cant play fast and furious if your tight forwards are getting a hiding.


I want us to win. But I have the utmost respect for Farrell and the Irish team.

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JW 31 days ago

It’s sad days when we have to hope our forwards muscle up.

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ColinK 34 days ago

Exactly I fully agree. Our forward performance against Italy in the first half was quite poor. If they bring that against Ireland we are going down. I will always support them win or lose, but let’s keep it real Ben Smith. That said I do expect the ABs to be more intense up front this week, but easy to say, hard to do, bring it Black!

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Venomenal1 34 days ago

So glad I checked who was writing this before making this post and closing this tab.

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TeRapaRFC 34 days ago

My only hope at this point is that we can start strong and finish strong. We still seem to lack confidence. Although we beat the Italians, the first 40 minutes really had me worried and feeling like we might never improve.


There’s something that seriously bothers me when I compare the All Blacks with nations like Ireland and Scotland.


Both have a very small player base, especially Scotland, yet they consistently punch above their weight. They don’t have exceptional coaches on paper, yet Farrell and Townsend get the very best out of the cattle they’ve got.


Why is it that we can’t do the same? We have some of the most individually talented players in the world, yet when it comes to performing together as a group of 23, it all seems to fall apart.


I’m glad we beat France and Italy. But, if I’m honest, neither of those games made the rugby world sit up and take notice. To be frank, we were fortunate to beat the French, and we were lucky to be leading at half-time against Italy.


We still don’t know who our best No. 6 is. We’re hanging on to players well past their prime, like Codie Taylor and Beauden Barrett. If Rennie was serious about building depth, then Rivez Reihana and Eli Oudenryn should be in the squad—not Beauden Barrett and Codie Taylor.


I know I sound negative, but, to be fair, this Irish team should be put away by 50-plus points. Why? Because if this group of coaches and players can’t produce a statement win before we head over to South Africa, then, mate, we’re in for a proper hiding. Down the line, South Africa won’t let us off the hook the way France and Italy did.


I genuinely hope I’m wrong. Nothing would make me happier than seeing this team prove me wrong and put together an 80-minute performance. But at the moment, I’m just not seeing enough to convince me we’re heading in the right direction.

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Koro Teeps 34 days ago

I tend to think having domestic teans in URC and Champions Cup has massively improved Scottish and Irish rugby. Playing hardened experienced professionals every week while the standard and depth of Super Rugby has plummeted.

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TeRapaRFC 34 days ago

If ALB is still considered good enough, then I’ve got to ask about David Havili. I’ve never been his biggest fan, but credit where it’s due—Havili has played really well this year. So why isn’t he in the 33? I know he’s heading overseas and all that blah blah blah, but my point still stands. Why is ALB there?


Then there’s Simon Parker being selected ahead of Ethan Blackadder. Statistically, Blackadder is the better player. What has Simon Parker actually done in a black jersey that’s made anyone say, “Wow, that was impressive”? Nah, I’m not seeing it. That game against Argentina last year, which we lost, Simon Parker was MIA. For me, that should’ve been his last test.


Billy Proctor? He’s the chocolate teapot of midfielders when it comes to defence—about as much use as a gumboot with no sole. Italy’s first try came straight off a Billy Proctor missed tackle. Anyone remember Radike Samo running over Adam Thomson? That’s exactly the sort of feeling I get watching Proctor defend at times.


Personally, I reckon AJ Lam would’ve been a much better investment if the goal was to build depth and develop another player. And can someone please feed Fainga’anuku some BPC-157 so he can get back on the park quicker!


That’s just my two cents, though.

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JW12021974 34 days ago

Terrible article by a failed banker but a mighty successful wan…


Ireland ‘scraped by’ Italy 20-13 but there’s no longer a rivalry with the AB’s after losing to them 23-13. Absolutely moronic take.

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PR 34 days ago

He’s gone from failed banker to something that rhymes with banker….

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GRB13 34 days ago

It would be so funny if Ireland won, to make rubbish articles writen by this so called “journalist” look this even more stupid.

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Skinny Pins 34 days ago

"more fitter"… this from a professional writer 😒

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GRB13 34 days ago

“Professional Writer”. This must mean I am professional athlete!

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Hammer Head 34 days ago

“Professional writer”

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Another 34 days ago

The type of article you might write AFTER an upcoming test match. Not before.

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JW 31 days ago

noone would care after/

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Bazzallina 33 days ago

Yea but before is real smack talk Michael Jordan said as much on the Last dance it’s easy to after he just going to have to wear it after if Ireland get up

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Hammer Head 34 days ago

Before makes it that much more special

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d 34 days ago

Well it is Eden Park, after all. Last year the Rugby Gods even conjured up torrrential rain to thwart Bok ambitions and save the AB’s fortress record. Being the Robertson AB’s they then responded with a dismal loss in Wellington, but hey - Eden Park!

I just wish our forwards were a little bit scarier, not to mention competent scrum and lineout practitioners. Where did that Ryan magic go?

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NucK 34 days ago

Classic application of the commentators curse. Ireland by 50+ is now inevitable!

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TeRapaRFC 34 days ago

Lol

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Hammer Head 34 days ago

Should be a cakewalk for the All Blacks.


30 - 45 point margin. Minimum.


Will Jordan and Cam Roigard will score a hat trick a piece. So will Jordie Barrett, even if he misses the game though injury, he’ll score those tries in all of our imaginations.


Give them the Nations Cup. No, the World Cup, now.


And a POTY.


I don’t think any team, in history, have gone into a game of rugby as firmer favourites than the ABs do going into this game.


Blown away

Take it from Ben. He knows a thing or two about blowing. He blows so much smoke around here, some might call it toxic second hand smoke, but the fans around here just love it. Even if it’s bad for them. They just love it.


💨🍑

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Jordon 33 days ago

Cam Roigard will be a nominee for WPOTY. All of our GR and world cup eggs are in his basket.

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orcus 34 days ago

AB’s by 12 for me (Ireland to score late and bring the scores closer together).

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Hammer Head 34 days ago

I agree. ABs by 12 tries. Ireland will score late in the first quarter to bring the scores closer together (to within 45 points).

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Bruiser 34 days ago

Nobodys falling for this tripe

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Hammer Head 34 days ago

How dare you.


I am!


This time will be no different. Jonny Sexton will go down with an injury in the first half. Ireland will be derailed.


The ABs will kick even less this outing, compared to the last. Negative 4 kicks in the first half alone!


So it will be different. Better different.


Anyone’s guess just how massive the margin of victory will be to New Zealand. Unprecedented. Obscene. Forget cricket scores, think bridge scores. Or hypertensive scores. Like 160/100. Except more for New Zealand than Ireland. So like 200/10. Or something. Humanly impossible - except it’s the ABs.

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