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World Rankings: All Blacks fall, Eagles soar

PARIS, FRANCE - NOVEMBER 16: Will Jordan of New Zealand salutes the supporters following the Autumn Nations Series 2024 rugby test match between France and New Zealand (All Blacks) at Stade de France on November 16, 2024 in Saint-Denis near Paris, France. (Photo by Jean Catuffe/Getty Images)

South Africa’s advantage at the top of the World Rugby Men’s Rankings has been increased to two points after Saturday’s 29-20 win over England, but their nearest rivals are now Ireland, not New Zealand.

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The Springboks increased their rating to 92.78 points, while Ireland beat Argentina 22-19, which puts them second on 90.78 points. Meanwhile, the All Blacks were edged out, 30-29 by France, and their new rating of 90.09 points drops them down to third,

Fourth-placed France have moved to within two points of breaking into the top three following their win in Paris, while the rest of the positions in the top 10 remain the same with Georgia unable to force their way in despite getting off to a promising start in their match against Italy.

Match Summary

2
Penalty Goals
1
2
Tries
2
1
Conversions
2
0
Drop Goals
0
177
Carries
60
4
Line Breaks
3
10
Turnovers Lost
17
3
Turnovers Won
6

The Lelos led 17-6 at half-time in Genoa but Italy reeled off 14 points in the second half to stave off defeat and win 20-17. Georgia would have moved into the top 10 for the first time in history had they avoided defeat because Wales were subsequently beaten 52-20 by Australia in the later of the two Sunday kick-offs.

While Wales’ record 11th straight loss did not lead to them dropping to an all-time rankings low of 12th, the gap between themselves and the Lelos is down to just 0.16 of a point.

The USA produced one of three best results outside of the top 10 and gained one place as a result of their 36-17 win against Tonga. The Eagles have replaced Portugal, who were well beaten by Scotland, in 15th, which is their highest position since Rugby World Cup 2019. Japan also claimed one place, to move to 13th, after beating Uruguay 36-20.

The biggest climbers were the Netherlands, whose steady progress under Lyn Jones continued with a 20-17 win against last year’s Rugby World Cup debutants Chile. The Dutch, who will be hoping to make their tournament debut in Australia in 2027, have surged up the rankings to 24th, a gain of three places.

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This is what the Top 10 of the World Rugby Men’s Rankings will look when they are officially updated at 12:00 GMT on Monday:

  1. South Africa 92.78 (+0.32)
  2. Ireland 90.78 (+0.20)
  3. New Zealand 90.09 (-1.13)
  4. France 88.08 (+1.13)
  5. Argentina 85.40 (-0.20)
  6. Scotland 82.70 (-)
  7. England 82.31 (-0.32)
  8. Australia 82.17 (+1.04)
  9. Fiji 80.07 (+0.01)
  10. Italy 78.92 (+0.24)

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Another 22 days ago

It is Official that Ireland are the most overrated team in World Rugby right now! 😁


In seriousness, from a NZ perspective:


1 South Africa

2 France

3 New Zealand

4 Ireland

5 Argentina

6 Scotland

7 Australia

8 England

9 Fiji

10 Italy


In terms of trends Australia are on the way up and Ireland on the way down. The rankings don’t yet bear this out, but Australia’s next two matches might make it real. Notably, Ireland have an ageing side but Australia a young side.


I think, from a NZ perspective again, that we have the potential to go top again, but South Africa and France are clearly in the way currently. We do get to play both teams in series in 2025 though, so well worth aiming for that.

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RedWarrior 22 days ago

Ireland won in France by 21 points, NZ lost by 1 point. Ireland have won last 2 versus France. NZ have lost last 3. NZ lost x 2 in SA and Ireland was 1-1. NZ lost to Argentina, Ireland beat Argentina.

If you guys could just quote the Ranking calculation rule that you think is conspiring with the TMOs against poor old NZ, that would be helpful. You lot do need to get over the '22 series annihilation by Ireland. I am sure you 'Global Superstars' and 'Humble Heroes' will get the reassurance your confused ego needs soon. Thoughts and prayers!

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Hellhound 22 days ago

The ranking system suck. I can never agree with this antiquated system. It's not reflecting the real rankings. It's been a contentious point for at least a decade or more. It's why with every WC everyone is angry by where they are sorted.


Unfortunately, how to implement a new points system and what type of system will not be easy.

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d 22 days ago

Shame that the rankings don't reflect that 100% of the wins France has had against NZ have been home games. However I think top 4 rankings will be in a state of flux for some time, such is the closeness of the top sides. The next 4 can trouble anyone on a good day, but their results have been too erratic to rank them higher.

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RedWarrior 22 days ago

JESUS: THEY DO REFLECT THE HOME/AWAY ADVANTAGE BY ADDING 3 RANKING POINTS TO THE HOME TEAMS RANKING TOTAL FOR THE PURPOSE OF THAT MATCH CALCULATION.

Can you NZ 'Supporters' please read how the rankings are calculated before posting such nonsense?

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Jmann 22 days ago

NZ should certainly be above Ireland now

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RedWarrior 22 days ago

No they certainly shouldn't. They lost to SA x 2, Argentina and to France. Although Ireland lost to NZ in Dublin (and lost a LOT of points over it) the last match we played was an away win in SA and during the year beat France away by 21 points.

Can you guys please go to the rankings and quote the calculation rule you actually disagree with? This is starting to look very very stupid. Surely genuine NZ supporters are smarter than this?

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Cantab 22 days ago

How bizarre is it that NZ have an extremely narrow loss to a fine French team and end up ranked below an Irish team they convincingly beat just a week earlier. Ireland were lucky to scrape home over Argentina. PREDICTION Ireland will be third in 6 nations behind France & England. NZ will win Southern championship ahead of SA, OZ & Argies

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RedWarrior 22 days ago

Re Bizarre: If you actually look at how the rankings are calculated your befuddledness might disappear. You get awarded points for winning and deducted points for losing.

The points total is the culmination of the history of these win/losses. You will recall that NZ lost this year to SA x 2 and to ARG x 1.


Can you guys just look at how the calculations happen before the conspiracy implications start getting farted out?


NZ do not get overcredited for one game albeit a convincing win against Ireland. Likewise Ireland don't get overpunished. The same rules apply to them as everyone else.


Ireland lost narrowly to NZ in the RWC but the points total was doubled and the loss was worth 4-5 points. Ireland came back from being well back in third to get ahead of the rankings again even with the PREDICTION that we would be 3rd in 6 nations.


Ireland got a total of 0.2 points for beating a good Argentina team.


England and France have to play in Dublin. Wait and see. The NZ result could have been a blessing in disguise for Ireland. Farrell chose to play the team that lost on Pretoria rather than the younger team that won in Durban.

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Hellhound 22 days ago

Trying to be clairvoyant now? Wishful thinking

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Bull Shark 22 days ago

Counter Prediction:


England will be third in the 6N behind France and Ireland. The RC will be a lot closer than you think. Don’t be surprised if Australia pulls ahead of NZ.

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JW 56 minutes ago
The All Blacks don't need overseas-based players

I'm not sure you realise how extreme it is, previously over half of SR players ended up overseas. These days just over half finish their career at home (some of those might carry on in lower leagues around the world).


1. Look at a player like Mo'unga who took time to become comfortable at his max level, thrust a player like that in well above his level, something Farrell is possibly doing now with Pendergrast, and you fail to maximise your player base as a whole. I don't think you realise the balance in NZ, without controlling who can leave there is indeed right now an immediate risk from any further pressure on the balance. We are not as flush as a country like South Africa I can't imagine (look at senior mens numbers).


2. Your idea excludes foreign fans, not the current status, their global 1.8mil base (find a recent article about it) will dwindle. Our clubs don't compete against each other, it's a central model were all players have a flat max 200k contribution. NZR decides who is worth keeping for the ABs in a very delicate balance of who to let go and who not. Might explain why our Wellington game wasn't a sellout.


3. Players aren't going to play for their country for nothing while other players are getting a million dollars. How much does SARU pay or reimburse their players?


4. I don't believe that at all. Everything so far has pointed to becoming an AB as the 'profile' winner. Comms love telling their fans some 'lucky' 1 cap guy is an "All Black" and the audience goes woooh!

The reality is much more likely to be more underwhelming

But the repercussions are end game, so why is it worth the risk?

Hardly be poaching uni or school boys.

This comment is so out of touch with rugby in NZ.

European comps aren't exactly known for poaching unproven talent ie SR or up not down to NPC.

So, so out of touch. Never heard of Jamison Gibson-Park, or Bundee Aki, or Chandler Cunningham-South, what about Uino Atonio? Numerous kiwi kids, like Warner Dearns, are playing in Japan having left after some stardom in school rugby here. Over a third of the NRL (so basically a third of the URC) are Kiwis who likely been scouted playing rugby at school. France have recently started in that path with Patrick Tuifua, and you hear loosely about good kids taking up offers to go overseas for basic things like school/uni (avg age 20+), similar to what attracts island kids to NZ.


But that's getting off track, it's too far in the future for you to conceptualize in this discussion. Where here because you think you know what it's like to need to select overseas based players, because of similarities like NZ and SA both having systems that funnel players into as few teams as possible in order to make them close to international quality, while also having a semi pro domestic league that produces an abundance of that talent, all the while facing similar financial predicaments. I'm not using extremes like some do, to scare monger away from making any changes. I am highlighting where the advantages don't cross over to the NZ game like the do for South Africa.


So while you are right in a lot of respects, some things that the can be taken for granted, is that if not more players leave, higher calibre players definitely will, and that is going to weaken the domestic competitions global reach, which will make it much hard to keep up or overtake the rest of the world. To put it simply, the domestic game is the future. International rugby is maxed out already, and the game here somehow needs to double it's revenue.


This is what you need to align your pitch with. Not being able to select players from overseas, because there are only ever one or two of those players. Sometimes even no one who'd be playing overseas and good enough for the ABs. You might be envisioning the effects of extremes, because it's hard to know just how things change slightly, but you know it's not going to be good.

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