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The titled XV: the men of the rugby world who have been bestowed special honours
By Paul Dobson with Rugby365
It is the time of the year when people look back to the past and pick teams, and if they are South Africans, they want to pick 15 Springboks after 2019 glory in Yokohama.
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In New Zealands’ New Year’s Honours List came the news that Steven Hansen had been knighted: Arise, Sir Stephen.
We thought of picking a team of titled rugby players from down the years.
Titles we are going to consider are those honour titles that go before the name, like Lord, Sir and Bishop. We are not going to look at job titles, like General and Prime Minister, nor at honours that follow the names, like OBE, JP, DSO or even VC of whom there are three.
We have one selection that we do not apologise for. Saints have been proclaimed by the voice of the people. Vox populi, they say, is the voice of God. Out flyhalf is as a result of the vox populi, not vox Reginae.
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All of our titled candidates are international rugby players. We give their country and, in brackets, the year of their international debut. Not surprisingly, most will be English and most long ago when rugby was very much an upper-crust game in England.
There are none from South Africa, which does not have such things, but several from New Zealand, which got them going again in 1996.
The date in brackets is the date of their international debut.
Titled Trialists
Australia: Sir Nick Shehadie (1947), Sir Ernest Dunlop (1932)
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England: Sir Carl Aarvold (1928), Lord Wakefield of Hendal, Sir Lancelot Barrington-Ward (1910), Sir Arthur Blakiston (1920), Sir Edgar Bonham-Carter (1891), The Rev. Lancelot Percival KCVO (1891) whose Sir is not used because he was knighted when already Reverend which takes preference, Sir Duncan Cumming (1928), Sir John Luscombe (1871), Rt Hon Sir Arthur Luxmoore (1900), Sir Stephen Finney (1872), Sir Edward Fraser (1875), Sir Basil Hill (1903), Sir Archibald Law (1877), Sir Dermot Milman (1937), Sir William Milton (1874), Lord Philip Moore (1951), Sir Percy Royds (1898), Sir Clive Woodward (1980), Sir George Augustus Walker (1939), Peter Yarranton (1954), Sir Bill Beaumont (1975)
Ireland: Sir George Beamish (1925), Sir Ewart Bell (1953), Sir Joseph Chambers (1886), Sir Thomas Lyle (1885), Sir Frederick Moore (1884), Sir Anthony O’Reilly (1955), Sir Theodore Pike (1927), Bishop Victor Pike (1931), Sir William Pike (1879), Sir William Tyrrell (1910), Sir Basil McFarland (1920)
New Zealand: Sir Thomas Caughey (1932), Sir John Kirwan (1984), Sir Colin Meads (1957), Sir Brian Lochore (1964), Sir Wilson Whineray (1957), Sir Fred Allen (1946), Sir John Graham (1958), Sir Bryan Williams (1970)
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Scotland: Sir Augustus Asher (1882), Lord John Bannerman (1921), Sir Ronald Cumming (1921), Sir George Cunningham (1908), Sir Louis Greig (1905), Sir Robert Mackenzie (1877), Sir John Mowat (1883), Sir Tennant Sloan (1905), Sir Arthur Young (1874), Sir Ian McGeechan (1972), Sir Michael Jones (1987)
Wales: Sir William Cope (1896), Sir David Evans (1889), Sir Gareth Edwards (1967)
Coaches: Sir Graham Henry, Sir Stephen Hansen, Sir Clive Woodward, Sir Brian Lochore, Sir Fred Allen
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Titled XV
15 Sir William Milton
14 Sir John Kirwan
13 Sir Carl Aarvold
12 Sir Ian McGeechan
11 Sir Tony O’Reilly
10 King Barry John
9 Sir Gareth Edwards
8 Sir Brian Lochore
7 Sir Michael Jones
6 Lord Wakefield of Kendall (captain)
5 Sir Bill Beaumont
4 Sir Colin Meads
3 The Rev. Launcelot Percival
2 Bishop Victor Pike
1 Sir Nick Shehadie
Coach: Sir Clive Woodward – the only northern hemisphere coach whose team has won the Rugby World Cup
Manager: The Princess Royal, Princess Anne
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Comments on RugbyPass
I wonder what impact Samson has had on their attack, as the team seems less prone to trundle it up the middle, take the tackle and then trundle it up again. I lost faith in the coach last year as the Rebelss looked like a 2nd/3rd rate South African team. I also disliked Gordon standing back, often ignored as the forward battle went on and on. Maybe its our Aussie way of not getting off our A***’s until the enemy is at the gate.
83 Go to commentsThanks for the write up. Great to see the Rebs winning, I am a little interested in how they will go against the remaining kiwi teams, I think they’ve only played Hurricanes and Highlanders but how great to see these players performing!! I also see Parling has a job beyond June 30! A good move by RA? Also how do you fix the Rebels previously scratchy defence?
83 Go to commentsbe smart - go black
13 Go to commentsNext week the Crusaders hopefully have Scott Barrett back. Will be great to have the captain back. Hopefully he will be the All Black captain as well.
12 Go to commentsExciting place to be for the young fella. I expected he was French Polynesian when I saw him included in the France 6N squad (after seeing him in NZs), and therefor be strong grounds we might loose him to rugby down here. Good, in that he is good enough to warrant such a profile, and from a journalism’s fan interaction aspect, to finally get a back ground story on the fella. Hope he has settled into NZ OK and that at least one rugby country will fit with him to help his development, which, if so, he should surely continue for a few years, and then that he can experience France to it’s fullest with a bit more maturity and less reliance on family than you would have at his current age. A good 3 or 4 years before he would be ready for International duty if he wanted to wait. Of course he already sounds good enough to accept a call up, and to cap himself, in the more immediate future (he’d have to be very very good in the case of the ABs), and he’ll get a great taste of that being with the Canes who have a bunch who are just a few years further into their career and looking likely Internationals themselves.
13 Go to commentsI remember towards the end of the original broadcasting deal for Super rugby with Newscorp that there was talk about the competition expanding to improve negotiations for more money - more content, more cash. Professional rugby was still in its infancy then and I held an opposing view that if Super rugby was a truly valuable competition then it should attract more broadcasters to bid for the rights, thereby increasing the value without needing to add more teams and games. Unfortunately since the game turned professional, the tension between club, talent and country has only grown further. I would argue we’re already at a point in time where the present is the future. The only international competitions that matter are 6N, RC and RWC. The inter-hemisphere tours are only developmental for those competitions. The games that increasingly matter more to fans, sponsors and broadcasters are between the clubs. Particularly for European fans, there are multiple competitions to follow your teams fortunes every week. SA is not Europe but competes in a single continental competition, so the travel component will always be an impediment. It was worse in the bloated days of Super rugby when teams traversed between four continents - Africa, America, Asia and Australia. The percentage of players who represent their country is less than 5% of the professional player base, so the sense of sacrifice isn’t as strong a motivation for the rest who are more focused on playing professional rugby and earning as much from their body as they can. Rugby like cricket created the conundrum it’s constantly fighting a losing battle with.
4 Go to commentsOh wow… “But as La Rochelle proved in winning in Cape Town this season, a cross-continental away assignment need not spell the end of days.” La Rochelle actually proved quite the opposite. After traveling to Cape town and back they (back-to-back and current champs) got mercilessly thumped the next week. If travel is not the reason, why else would a full-strength powerhouse like La Rochelle get dumped on their @r$e$ one week later?
26 Go to commentsYou know he can land a winning conversion after the full time siren is up. (Even if it takes two attempts.)
5 Go to commentsA very insightful article from Jake. I would love to know how South African’s feel about their move to Europe. Do you prefer playing in Europe or want to go back to Super Rugby?
4 Go to commentspure fire
1 Go to commentsA very well thought out summary of all the relevant complications…agree with your ”refer the Cricket Test versus 20/20 comparison”. More also definitely doesn't necessarily mean better!
4 Go to commentsMust be something when you are only 19 y.o and both NZ and France want you. Btw he wasn’t the only new caledonian in french U20 as Robin Couly also lived in Noumea until 17. Hope he’s successful wherever he chooses to play.
13 Go to comments“Several key players in the Stade Rochelais squad are in their thirties” South Africans are going to hate the implications of that comment!
5 Go to commentsI know Leinster did a job on La Roche but shortly after HT Leinster were 30-13 ahead of them and at a similar time Toulouse were trailing Exeter. At 60 mins Leinster were 27 ahead but after 67 mins Toulouse were only 19 ahead before Exeter collapsed. That’s heavier scoring by Leinster against the Champions. I think people are looking at Toulouses total a little too much. I also think Northhampton are in with a real chance, albeit I’d put Leinster as favourites. If Leinster make the final I expect them to win by more than ten and with control.
5 Go to commentsHey Nick, your match analysis is decent but the top and tail not so much, a bit more random. For a start there’s a seismic difference in regenerating any club side over a test team. EJ pretty much had to urinate with the appendage he’d been given at test level whereas club success is impacted hugely by the budget. Look no further than Boudjellal’s Toulon project for a perfect example. The set ups at La Rochelle and Leinster are like chalk and cheese and you are correct that Leinster are ahead. Leinster are not just slightly ahead though, they are light years ahead on their plans, with the next gen champions cup team already blooded, seasoned and developing at speed from their time manning the fort in the URC while the cream play CC and tests. They have engineered a strong talent conveyor belt into their system, supported by private money funnelled into a couple of Leinster private schools. The really smart move from Leinster and the IRFU however is maximising the Irish Revenue tax breaks (tax relief on the best 10 years earnings refunded at retirement) to help keep all of their stars in Ireland and happy, while simultaneously funding marquee players consistently. And of course Barrett is the latest example. But in no way is he a “replacement for Henshaw”, he’s only there for one season!!! As for Rob Baxter, the best advice you can give him is to start lobbying Parliament and HMRC for a similar state subsidy, but don’t hold your breath… One thing Cullen has been very smart with is his coaching team. Very quickly he realised his need to supplement his skills, there was talk of him exiting after his first couple of years but he was extremely shrewd bringing in Lancaster and now Nienaber. That has worked superbly and added a layer that really has made a tangible difference. Apart from that you were bang on the money… 😉😂
5 Go to commentsNot sure exactly what went wrong for him at Glasgow but it’s pretty clear he ain’t Franco’s cup of tea. Suspect he would have been better served heading out of Scotland around the same time as Finn, Hoggy and Jonny!
1 Go to commentsBulls disrespected the Northampton supporters and the competition. Decide quickly, fully in or out.
26 Go to commentsI wonder if Parling was ever on England’s radar as a coach? Obviously Borthwick is a great lineout coach, but I do worry he might be taking on too much as both head coach and forwards coach.
1 Go to commentsJason Jenkins has one cap. When Etzebeth was his age he had over 80 caps. Experience matters. He will never amount to what Etzebeth has because he hasn’t been developed as an international player.
2 Go to commentsSays much about the player picking this gig over the easier and bigger rewards offered to him in Japan. Also says a lot about the state sanctioned tax benefits the Irish Revenue offers pro rugby players, with their ten highest earning years subject to an additional 40% tax relief and paid as a lump sum, in cash, at retirement. Certainly helps Leinster line up the financial ducks in a row to fund marquee signings like this!!! No other union anywhere in world rugby benefits from this kind of lucrative financial sponsorship from their government…
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