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'Maybe it’s more on the Irish side' - Gregor Townsend on Scotland-Ireland 'grudge'

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Peter O'Mahony of Ireland clashes with George Turner, Matt Fagerson and Duhan van der Merwe of Scotland during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between Ireland and Scotland at Stade de France on October 07, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Stu Forster/Getty Images)

Gregor Townsend dismissed any notion that Scotland versus Ireland has become a grudge match ahead of Sunday’s Guinness Six Nations showdown between the sides at Murrayfield.

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The Scots have lost each of their last 10 meetings against the Irish – including two World Cup pool-stage fixtures – in a run stretching back to February 2017.

A perception has developed that Ireland take particular delight from putting Townsend’s men in their place whenever they are deemed to be talking bullishly about their prospects of ending a hoodoo now spanning eight years.

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Asked if he detected a more intense rivalry between the sides in recent times, the Scotland head coach said: “I don’t think there is. Well, if there is, it’s just the same as any other game where teams want to build up something to provide extra motivation.

“So maybe it’s more on the Irish side, or the Irish media side, that there’s this rivalry or needle to give them extra motivation on why they want to win again.

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“Obviously they’ve won this fixture a number of times but we see this as a game where we respect Ireland a lot and admire what they’ve done over the last few years, but it doesn’t stand out as a needle game for us.”

Townsend – who took charge four months after Scotland’s last win over the Irish – insisted he will not be making a big play of trying to smash the hoodoo during his team-talks because he does not believe it is particularly relevant to most of the players in his squad.

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“I think you only lean into it once you’ve ended it,” he said. “Honestly, I think it’s not something that our players talk about, we talk about our recent experiences against Ireland and why we weren’t able to play our best or what they did, how it’s shaped us and how we play now.

“I don’t think any – well, maybe one or two – players have been here throughout the eight years. It’s more your recent experiences and our most recent experiences are last week’s game (against Italy) and the two training sessions we’ve had this week, that’s what fills the minds of the players as we go into the game.”

Townsend, whose side started with a 31-19 win at home to Italy, acknowledged Scotland are underdogs for Sunday’s match.

“Ireland are a top side and they have been for a number of years, clearly favourites for this game and looking to win three Six Nations in a row, which would be unprecedented,” he said.

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“All credit to them, they’ve worked hard to be one of the top teams in the world and they’ve kept that going over the last couple of years.”

Townsend has made three changes to his starting XV, with loosehead Rory Sutherland, back-rower Jack Dempsey and versatile back Tom Jordan replacing Pierre Schoeman, Jamie Ritchie and Stafford McDowall, all of whom drop to the bench.

“I think there are similarities with the three of them, which is the real energy that they bring, they’re quick players, they are in good form,” said Townsend of the trio added to his team.

“Jack was getting back to full fitness (after injury) and he’s now had three weeks training with us, a game and a half, one with the club and one at the weekend, so he’s good to go. He’s been a starter for us for the last few years.

“With Rory, I think Rory and Pierre have been competing really hard over the last few months for that starting jersey and I feel Rory has earned it, he brings a lot of speed, both in his kick-chase, his defence and his ball-carrying.

“With Tom, it was great to see him play in the 15 jersey for us in November, like he has done in the 10 jersey for Glasgow for a few years now, and he just brought that off the bench at 12 (against Italy last weekend), and 12 was probably his natural position.

“It was the position he played most of his rugby growing up, so I think all three deserve an opportunity to start.”

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Bull Shark 41 days ago

Let’s be honest. Who doesn’t have a grudge with Ireland?


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RedWarrior 41 days ago

20 years ago nobody had a grudge with Ireland so we are making excellent progress.

Peter O'Mahony is starting, which is a great selection. Good in lineout, but also will be a warhorse and leader in a situation without Farrell. He will also annoy the f**k out of the Scots and test their discipline as well as increasing the enjoyment factor for viewers hopefully.

Scotland are going 6-2 compared to Ireland's 5-3. Risky, Townsend is going all in.

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RedWarrior 41 days ago

Exhibit Z: "We owe these F***ers one" Stuart Hogg as appeared on Full Contact Netflix 2023.

Exhibit A: Irish Team bus is sent a few times around the block in 2017. Ireland go 17-3 behind after no warm up. Final score 27-22 Scotland's last win.

O'Mahony and Russell were shouting at each other during RWC match.


Honestly no grudge between supporters who get on really well. Ive been at a few Edinburgh matches. Just good fun with supporters. Win lose or draw they have fun. England too. Welsh take it very seriously and dont hang around much after a defeat in Cardiff. At least that was the case. Maybe some needle with players. I like Scotland and they are on same trajectory as Ireland were. They are unlucky with two very good teams in their way now. Ireland won't give them this (I hope not), Scotland are going to have to go and win it.

Edit: Now that I remember: there was a bit of a big scuffle-more than handbags with Schoemann throwing Dan Sheehan over the hoarding in Stade De France?

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The Mickey Mouse playoff system that made the entire regular season redundant

The playoff system has never been redundant Ben, it was merely important to fewer teams, just those vying for top seed. After that it was simply about qualifying.


The format is arguably worse now. I can see the Canes slumping to a point were the return of key components, like their starting midfield, is now going to happen too late for them due to the reduced playoff spots. So we don’t get the perfect jeopardy like what we got with the Crusaders last year, were deservedly (despite showing they easily had a top 4 team when fit) they missed out because they were even more pathetic than that early team deserved. A couple more bonus points with some better leadership, on and off field, would have given the Crusaders a deserving. As reported last year have we not seen a more perfect finals run in.


Objectively easier finals qualification is better suited to shorter competitions, and we know SR is the “sprint” version amongst it’s rugby equivalents. The Top 14 is probably the worst competition in this respect, with it’s length with a double round robin should have a football styled champion. The Premiership, with it’s smaller base but also double round robin, was pretty much perfectly suited to it’s smaller 4 team playoff. Super Rugby, with it’s much shorter season (smaller amount of games, and most importantly over a much shorter period, would be able suited to a 6 team play off series if it had a comparative round robin. It doesn’t. Playing a bunch of random extra games, within your own division, requires you to expand the qualification reach. Super Rugby was another perfectly balanced competition.


If you want to look subjectively, sure, there are a lot of cool facets of tighter qualification, they just aren’t sensible applicable to SR so you have to be a realist.


I’m pretty sure you yourself have authored articles showing you need to be in the top four come finals time to win Super Rugby.

Competition parity this year just seems to be part luck, but we’ll take it.

The closer parity is simply more about circumstance, I agree. The Lions tour has just as much to do with the consistency and early standards in Australian players performances, and random factors balancing the NZ sides. The predictable improvement of the “Pacific Powers” another key factor, but with the case of extra support like NZR help raise their profile, as in the “Ardie” factor, possibly able to happen a year sooner than it has.


Still, as I have highlighted on previous articles, I wouldn’t be surprised if these results were nearly as predictable as they were last year, and that it was just the fixture ‘creation’ by new management that has artificially created a bit more hype and unrealistic perception on the competitions ‘parity’, in these early stages.

Super Rugby Pacific has done the right thing and got rid of most TMO interventions that have plagued the game over the last few years and impacted one World Cup final.

I wouldn’t have minded if they just put their own spin on WR’s structure. While you don’t go on to describe what the two situations are that remain, one that I think could still have been of value keeping is for the ability for the TMO to rule live.


The fact that several of the WC’s TMO officials were overly zealous in their ability to over rule the onfield decision does not mean there wouldn’t have been value in a good southern hemisphere run contingent from simply adding value and support to the game ref. Take the case last weekend as the perfect example. While I don’t believe it would have been of any real benefit for the Highlanders to have had advantage at the death (the same sequence would have still played out), looking in isolation one can clearly tell that was a live situation where the ref said he was obstructed from making a call, and if the current rules would have allowed, the TMO, like us on TV, could easily have told him to play advantage for the infringement. In another situation that type of officiating could have made all the difference to the quality and accuracy of the outcome. Views of the comp would be a lot different if it was clearly as case that the Highlanders were robbed of a deserved victory.


All told, the game is obviously much better off for what changes have been made with officiating, though this is not really isolated to SR. SR is just the only comp to have start with these.

If you want back in, put your hands up for some real competition, don’t ask for handouts. No conference systems.

We are currently in a conference system Ben, I’m afraid you’re beating the wrong drum there and you own subjective (and flawed) opinions are coming through quite clearly. As spitballed on the article a few days ago, it’s hard to see a true league table where it is either a full round robin or double round robin happen, there is still going to be some amount of divisional derby matchs going on to fill out the season.


Conferences are also the only way forward, so get on board. I would love for SARU to be able to add a couple of regional sides in Super Rugby, using the countries burgeoning playerbase. It might be far easier, and more advantageous, for SA to add to SR than say try to enlarge the URC, or go it on their own with a professional scene. They could leave their clubs to themselves and take control of running a highveld team out of Cheetahs country, and a lowveld team wherever they would like a new attempt at a ‘Kings’ team. I can’t see the clubs ever rejoining SR.


Not surprised the article is well off the mark Ben.


One thing they could do to further improve the ‘jeopardy’ though is to have a separate world club table where each seasons finalists are awarding ranking points going towards selecting who takes part in the biennial (right?) world champs the Champions Cup is hosting in the future. I’d normally expect the government to simply send whoever the most recent finalists are but I reckon creating a way to have those instead be judged by contribution since the last edition (however frequent this idea might turn out) could be a winner this new management will work out and capitalize on. It would also help add to that jeopardy if say ranking points were only allocated to the top 6 of an 8 team finals format.

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