'I'd rather have RG playing for me every week than for Munster'
Jake White wants to set the record straight. After a Rugby Pass article published last week challenged the 2007 World Cup winning coach’s views, he reached out to outline the situation as he sees it.
“I think it’s important that people understand where I’m coming from,” says White, now coach of the Bulls. “I get a raw deal in the press sometimes. People think I’m sensationalistic but I’m not. I care very deeply about South African rugby and only want what’s best for it. From my point of view something is broken and unless we fix it we could see rugby in South Africa implode.”
Our conversation has its roots in a shift in selection policy that now allows Springbok coaches to field players who ply their trade in foreign leagues no matter how many Test caps they’ve won. This was implemented by Rassie Erasmus in 2018 who drafted in Duane Vermeulen from Toulon, Willie le Roux from Wasps and Faf de Klerk from Sale Sharks for the home series against England that year.
The plan worked. South Africa won that rubber 2-1, the Rugby Championship the following year and the World Cup in Japan with Cheslin Kolbe – then at Toulouse – scoring the second try that buried England in the final. Erasmus was heralded as a genius. Captain Siya Kolisi transcended the sport. And the Springboks climbed to the top of the world rankings.
On this evidence, all is well in South African rugby. But, according to White, dark clouds are looming over the horizon. And unless swift reform is implemented, this bubble will soon burst.
“It’s not sustainable,” he argues. “There are sponsors and people who put a lot of money in the game here. If you pick guys from overseas you’re basically saying it doesn’t matter if they don’t commit themselves to South African rugby so how the hell can you sustain that?
“Who would continue to invest in the game if every franchise and province didn’t have a single Springbok? Who would want to carry on watching and supporting their teams? And if the provinces and franchises collapse, there goes the pipeline.”
White’s opinion on the matter has not changed since he coached the South Africa under-21 side – featuring Schalk Burger, Juan Smith and John Smit – to the under-21 World Championship in 2002.
“I told the players then that they had to sacrifice everything to be a Springbok,” White says. “You can’t negotiate with something that is priceless. I think it diminishes the value of the Springbok jersey when you select from overseas.”
That last sentiment was echoed by White after his Bulls team succumbed to the Stormers in the United Rugby Championship final. It was that sentiment that prompted the article that drew his ire and resulted in our impassioned phone call.
“People accused me of whingeing after that game,” he laments. “I wasn’t. We lost. That happens. But I was pointing out that yes, we might look at the Springboks now and be thrilled that they’re performing and winning, but where is the next generation coming from? We’re stuck in short term thinking. Once this core senior group retires after the next World Cup are we going to see them replaced?”
The latest Springbok side, selected to play Wales in the second Test in Bloemfontein, contains six uncapped players. Two of them – Kurt-Lee Arendse on the wing and replacement lock Ruan Nortje – are coached by White at the Bulls. Many have argued that this is a sign of the strength in depth within South African rugby.
And after the Bulls pulled off a remarkable upset by beating Leinster in Dublin in the semi-finals, it would appear that the pipeline is in rude health. What’s more, if the likes of Lood de Jager, RG Snyman, Jasper Wiese and the rest of the foreign based players were on the books with local franchises, would those on the fringe have gained the necessary experience within the URC to make the step up to Test rugby?
“No, they wouldn’t have,” White admits. “But I’d rather have RG playing for me every week than for Munster. Let’s be honest, the only reason why Ruan is playing is because RG is injured. If you’re a young lock in South Africa and you’re born at the same time as RG Snyman, Lood de Jager and Eben Etzebeth, well that’s tough luck. That’s elite sport. If the guys ahead of you are better then you don’t play.
“We must also think of the sponsors and the fans. If I’m putting money into South African rugby I want to see the Springboks every week. Does anyone in Pretoria care that Handre Pollard won the French league? No. All they care is that the country’s best fly-half was unavailable for the Test [against Wales] at Loftus. We have to think of the fans as well.
“Otherwise you might as well base the Springboks in Dubai. Get them the best clothes sponsors and a private jet to fly them around the world to play Tests in London or wherever else. They can be the biggest rugby brand in the world, but the South African public won’t ever engage with them. How much longer do you think people will care about the team?”
White also points to what he perceives as the dramatic decline of the Currie Cup, the oldest club competition in the world:
“The final used to be played in front of 50,000 people. There were 20-odd Springboks and a Test referee. You couldn’t get a ticket. This year there were 2,000 [8,500] fans and no Springboks. Now people want to tell me that it’s the same? Do me a favour. They should call it by another name because that’s not the Currie Cup I know. If that’s the way it’s going then we might as well lock the doors and throw away the keys.”
If White was handed the keys to South African rugby, he would still allow foreign based players to be involved with the Springboks, but only as part of training camps and as injury cover.
He’d make them all sign an agreement that their next professional contract will be with a South African franchise – “That way we’d know where their commitments were,” he says – and they’d have to pay for their own travel to and from their European or Japanese clubs.
“If they want to earn all that money overseas then they should contribute,” White adds. “Why should SA Rugby pay for their business class flights every time they decide they want to be a Springbok again?”
Of course White’s opinion is coloured by the exodus underway at the Bulls. Two key members of the URC campaign in Arno Botha and Madosh Tambwe are heading to France to join Lyon and Bordeaux respectively. Currie Cup regulars Richard Kriel (Benetton) and Willie Potgieter (Kobe) are also on their way out.
Because of the comparatively weak rand, they will all be replaced by South Africans. The robust schools and academy systems within the country will continue to churn out talent and, with greater opportunities, a handful may don the green and gold one day.
But that is simply looking at the crystal ball from one vantage point. There is no denying that the Currie Cup has lost some of its shine. And if indeed a tree cannot stand on decaying roots then this is a cause for concern.
While the Springboks continue to assert themselves on the world stage, the doubters and skeptics can be ignored. Whether or not White is labelled a prophet or a fusspot will hinge on results on the field.
Comments on RugbyPass
I hope Leinster’s proud of themselves fielding a poor team. They should decide if they’re all in or not.
1 Go to commentsJordie is looking at 16 games maximum if Leinster reach both the URC and champions cup finals. Thats not guaranteed. Some of those home URC fixtures will be cakewalks as well for Leinster and there is not much doing during the 6 nations in Feb and March so he can probably get a decent rest then. He will have to really put in it for maybe 7 or 8 games max. It should be a good move for both.
13 Go to commentsThe game was a quarter final, not a semi final. Barrett will be here for 6 months, he is no one's replacement at 13. That mantle will most likely ultimately go to Jamie Osborne, though Garry Ringrose has at least 4 more years in him. The long term problem position (in the next 3 years) for Leinster is tighthead prop, though there are a couple of prospects at schools level.
23 Go to commentsSo much for all that hype surrounding the ‘revival’ of Aussie rugby. The Blues were without the likes of regular starters Perofeta, Sullivan, Christie etc… This was a capitulation of the highest order by Australia’s finest. Joe Schmidt definitely has his work cut out for him.
2 Go to commentsYes they can ignore Sotutu. Like Akira Ioane plays OK at Super level but gets lost in tests. Too many chances too many failures.
2 Go to commentsA wallaby front-row of Bell, Blake and Tupou…now that would be hefty
1 Go to comments“But with an exceptional pass accuracy rating “ Which apart from Roigard is not a feature of any of the other 9s in NZ. Kind of basic for a Black 9 dont.you. think? Yet we keep seeing FC and TJ being rated ahead of him? Weird if it’s seen as vital to get our backline beating in your face defences.
1 Go to commentsThanks BeeMc! Looks like many teams need extra time to settle from the quadrennial northern migration. I think generally the quality of the Rugby has held up. Fiji has been fantastic and fun to watch
13 Go to commentsLets compare apples with apples. Lyon sent weak team the week before, but nobody raised an eyebrow. Give the South African teams a few years to build their depth, then you will be moaning that the teams are too strong.
41 Go to commentsDid footballs agents also perform the scout role at some time? I’m surprised more high profile players haven’t taken up the occupation, great way to remain in the game and use all that experience without really requiring a lot of specific expertise?
1 Go to commentsSuper rugby is struggling but that has little to do with sabbaticals. 1. Too many teams from Aust and NZ - should be 3 and 4 respectively, add in 2 from Japan, 1 possibly 2 from Argentina. 2. Inconsistent and poor refereeing, admittedly not restricted to Super rugby. Only one team was reffed at the breakdown in Reds v H’Landers match. Scrum penalty awarded in Canes v Drua when No 8 had the ball in the open with little defence nearby - ideal opportunity to play advantage. Coming back to Reds match - same scrum situation but ref played advantage - Landers made 10 yards and were penalised at the breakdown when the ref should have returned to scrum penalty. 3. Marketing is weak and losing ground to AFL and NRL. Playing 2 days compared with 4. 4. Scheduling is unattractive to family attendance. Have any franchises heard of Sundays 2pm?
13 Go to commentsAbsolutely..all they need is a chance in yhe playoffs and I bet all the other teams will be nervous…THEY KNOW HOW TO WIN IM THE PLAYOFFS..
2 Go to commentsI really hope he comes back and helps out with some coaching.
1 Go to commentsI think we are all just hoping that the Olympic 7s doesn’t suffer the same sad fate as the last RWC with the officials ruining the spectacle.
1 Go to commentsPersonally, I’ve lost the will to even be bothered about the RFU, the structure, the participants. It’s all a sham. I now simply enjoy getting a group of friends together to go and watch a few games a year in different locations (including Europe, the championship, etc). I feel extremely sorry for the real fans of these clubs who are constantly ignored by the RFU and other administrators. I feel especially sorry for the fans of clubs in the Championship who have had considerable central funding stripped away and are then expected to just take whatever the RFU put to them. Its all a sham, especially if the failed clubs are allowed to return.
10 Go to commentsI’m guessing Carl Hayman would have preferred to have stayed in NZ with benefit of hindsight. Up north there is the expectation to play twice as many games with far less ‘player management’ protocols that Paul is now criticising. Less playing through concussions means longer, healthier, careers. Carter used as the eg here by Paul, his sabbatical allowed him to play until age 37. OK its not an exact science but there is far more expectations on players who sign for Top 14 or Engl Prem clubs to get value for the huge salaries. NZR get alot wrong but keeping their best players in NZ rugby is not one of them. SA clubs are virtually devoid of their top players now, no thanks. They cant threaten the big teams in the Champions Cup, the squads have little depth. Cant see Canes/Chiefs struggling. Super has been great this year, fantastic high skill matches. Drua a fantastic addition and Jaguares will add another quality team eventually. Aus teams performing strongly and no doubt will benefit with the incentive of a Lions tour and a home RWC. Let Jordie enjoy his time with Leinster, it will allow the opportunity for another player to emerge at Canes in his absence.
13 Go to commentsLove that man, his way to despise angry little men is so funny ! 😂
6 Go to comments“South African franchises would be powerhouses if we had all our overseas based players back in situ. We would have the same unbeatable aura the Toulouses, Leinsters or Saracens of this world have had over the last decade or so.” Proof that Jake white does not understand the economics of the game in SA. Players earning abroad are not going to simply come back and represent the bulls. But they might if they have a springbok contract.
25 Go to commentsA lot of fans just joined in for the fun of it! We all admire O'Gara and what he has done for La Rochelle
6 Go to commentsThe RFU will find a way to mess this up as usual. My bet is there will be no promotion into the the Premiership, only relegation into National League One. Hopefully they won’t parachute failed clubs into the league at the expense of clubs who have battled for promotion.
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