'It will be phenomenal' - Nienaber, Farrell and Townsend all want Pro16 to happen
Ireland head coach Andy Farrell, South Africa coach Jacques Nienaber and Scotland boss Gregor Townsend have all welcomed the prospect of an expanded ‘Pro16’ following the pool draw for the 2023 Rugby World Cup. Reigning champions South Africa have been drawn against Ireland and Scotland in Pool B, alongside two teams yet to be confirmed, one from the Asia-Pacific region and one from Europe.
And the pool is likely to have a very familiar feel to it with talks surrounding bringing South African franchises the Bulls, Stormers, Lions and Sharks into an expanded Pro16 said to be at an “advanced stage,” possibly even getting rubber-stamped as soon as the early New Year.
The quality of the Pro14 has been called into question in recent weeks, particularly given the form of the four Irish provinces.
Defending champions Leinster, unbeaten in the competition since April 2019, have recorded seven bonus point wins on the bounce since the current campaign began, with the four provinces winning 26 from a total of 28 games.
The hope is that the inclusion of the four South African teams will lead to more competition and improve the overall quality of the league.
And speaking after today’s World Cup draw the three coaches in charge of the confirmed Pool B teams said they are all fully behind the idea of a new-look ‘Pro16’.
“Obviously everyone is aware of all the different ramifications that could happen in the New Year,” Farrell said.
“Hopefully, for us, we want to play against the best as much as we possibly can. We want our players to be able to do that. And for the big teams, the big provinces in South Africa to join the Pro14, I know there is talk of a Pro16, [that is] is the way we would like to see it go.”
Nienaber, who has experience of the Pro14 from his days working as Rassie Erasmus’ defence coach at Munster, says he had no issues with the quality of the league during his time at Thomond Park.
“Having coached there [Ireland] before, I think it would be very good for us,” he said.
“I was unbelievably surprised when we first started coaching [at Munster], it was the Pro12 back that, probably I would say one of the fiercest contested competitions in all facets: every set-piece, breakdown, skill level. So I think it would be a big step for us.
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“For our local franchises, Super Rugby is a little bit different, so it will be a big step up for them in terms of the tactics and the weather, the different playing surfaces, different referees from different countries that you have to manage. I think it’s probably, and I’m not talking down any other competitions, but I think it’s very close to Test match rugby, so I’m super excited for our players to join a Pro16 or Pro14, it will be phenomenal.”
Townsend also offered his support for the idea after a weekend in which the strength of both Edinburgh and Glasgow Warriors once again came under scrutiny.
“Any competition that gets our players playing closer to international rugby will help their development for us having success at Test level,” Townsend said.
“We have that through the current set-up of the Pro14, but if those four South African teams that are used to playing Super Rugby come into our competition, that will enhance the Pro14, [or] Pro16, and also we’ll get to experience a different type of rugby, in different conditions, that South Africa bring.”
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10 Go to commentsVernier is probably the best 12 in the world though she has some English competition these days . I am nervous for England because it is unpredictable France and who knows which team will turn up, but they have not yet shown anything that should worry England, Saturday could be a different day. I would be more confident against the BFs.
1 Go to commentsWhat a difference Rodda and Carter made. Rodda has been out for ages but he is really the only world class lock in Australian rugby. Him, Carter and Beale made a huge difference on the weekend. If only they had a few decent props they’d be a much more dangerous team. Hamish Stewart was excellent last week as well. His carrying has improved significantly and has to be next in line after Paisami at 12 for the Wallabies. He’ll benefit hugely with Beale at fullback, there’s just no better communicator in Australian rugby than him and his experience will make a huge difference for the Force. No one sees space like Beale and he’s still sharp. I can see Force making a late charge into the top 8 if they can get some consistency.
2 Go to commentsRodda will be a walk up starter at lock. Frost if you analyse his dominance has little impact and he’s a long way from being physical enough, especially when you compare to Rodda and the work he does. He was quite poor at the World Cup in his lack of physicality. Between Rodda and Skelton we would have locks who can dominate the breakdown and in contact. Frost is maybe next but Schmidt might go for a more physical lock who does their core work better like Ryan or LSL. Swain is no chance unless there’s a load of injuries. Pollard hasn’t got the scrum ability yet to be considered. Nasser dominated him when they went toe to toe and really showed him up. Picking Skelton effects who can play 6 and 8. Ideally Valetini would play 6 as that’s his best position and Wilson at 8 but that’s not ideal for lineout success. Cale isn’t physical enough yet in contact and defence but is the best backrow lineout jumper followed by Wright, Hanigan and Swinton so unfortunately Valetini probably will start at 8 with Wright or Hanigan at 6. Wilson on the bench, he’s got too much quality not to be in the squad. Paisami is leading the way at 12 but Hamish Stewart is playing extremely well also and his ball carrying has improved significantly. Beale is also another option based on the weekend. Beale is class but he’s also the best communicator of any Australian backline player and that can’t be underestimated, he’ll be in the mix.
8 Go to commentsWhy do people keep on picking Ardie at 7 when he's a ball in hand 8? A modern 7 is the lead tackler and ruck clearer which isn't his strength.
14 Go to commentsSly dig there at Ireland’s propensity to back a non-Irish coach. Must really want it. I’m not sure I like ROG very much. Comes off as unpleasant. But he’d gain my respect if he took a number 7 ranked team and turned them into WC winners. Not even back-to-back. Argentina? Scotland? Or how about Wales? France would be too easy, no?
1 Go to commentsA bit of sensationalism, but surprised by the comments about SBW. I’ve always thought of him as a pretty authentic person. There is nothing worse than working with a colleague you’ve seen straight through.
10 Go to comments100% agree with your comment about Touch. I’ve been playing it competitively since Covid. It’s on a Wednesday night after work. It means the weekend is free for time with my family.
1 Go to commentsRodda back is massively important for the Wallabies. Kaitu at hooker important too coz he was very good a few years ago.
2 Go to commentsThe pink cabous might be eligible this year and the Boks don’t need him
8 Go to commentsNasser and kaitu are options for hooker. Especially Nasser. You forgot Rodda who touch wood will be fit at test time and if fit he’s number one. Great partner for the great Skelton and Oz best lineout caller. Third best lock is LSL whom I’d be inclined to sub on for Skelton around 60 minutes. Probably start valetini at 8 because I like a big body back there. Cale should play 6 at the brumbies. For Wallabies definitely cale in the squad but as an apprentice. Dunno who starts at 6 seru wright Swinton hanigan with Will Harris and Harry Wilson not far away. Seru and Swinton my front runners but Swinton is going. Still if we don’t cap seru then Fiji must coz they need his lineout skills and easily compensate for his lack of weight
8 Go to commentsYeah but who was it?
10 Go to commentsThink you might have written this just before the Brumbies got thrashed last weekend
8 Go to commentsI really do believe that Billy Proctor should be selected at least in the larger squad but also it would be my choice at 13, much more a center than Ioane who can still play at wing. Roigard if fit should play, otherwise it should be Perenara or Christie. Also, Iose could deserve a spot at blindside. Of course, being a Canes supporter I’m biased but I really believe that at least Billy P is deserving a chance and being Holland one of the Selectors, I’m having a little hope he could grab it.
14 Go to commentsI would not play Swinton I’d pick Wright or Hanigan. The rest are decent starters, but can’t agree on any subs except Tupou. My take on the subs: Gibbon, Ueslese, Tupou, LSL, Wilson, White, Will Harrison, and Petaia.
8 Go to commentsSBW the biggest moron to pull on a black jersey a park footy player at best
10 Go to commentsSBW is fast becoming a laughing stock, his misplaced comments & lack of insight Is actually pretty sad.
10 Go to commentsJust well you guys are couch 🛋 potatoes selector's, picking a team of greenhorns to play England! “What are you people smoking?” The halfbacks will be Christie, Fakatava, Perenara Props; Newell, Bower, Lomax, Tunga'fasi, Hookers; Asosa Amua when fit, Taylor, Samisoni,
14 Go to commentsQuite frankly, all this is a bit pathetic. The first time Wales get the Wooden Spoon in 21 years and everyone is on the bandwagon for a ‘play-off’ game. Wales have no obligation to Georgia and no obligation to the rest of the Six Nations to play such a game. If they want Georgia in so badly then they need to include South Africa into a Northern Hemisphere competition with 2 leagues of 4 teams with the top 2 competing for the Championship. Sadly, this will end Triple Crowns and Grand Slams forever. Is this really what you want?
4 Go to commentsI think Finau to start Blackadder to come on. Poss Prokter instead of Ioane, haven't seen much from Reiko so far this year.
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