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'I'm sure whoever is investigating it will see it as well': Leicester latest on subgate
Leicester boss Steve Borthwick has given his latest take on last Saturday’s touchline bust-up with Pat Lam and his league-leading Bristol. The round 21 Gallagher Premiership tie ended in bizarre circumstances with a heated argument over the status of substituted Bears prop John Afoa that resulted in Borthwick confronting Lam on the sideline.
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After the play eventually restarted with Afoa in the Bristol front row for the contested clock-in-the-red scrum, a shunt by the Bears unsettled the Leicester ball and with the game ending after it was kicked to touch, a brawl broke out. The investigation into the players involved in that dust-up ended with no one getting into trouble as the citing officer didn’t feel anyone had committed a red card offence.
However, there is still an ongoing investigation into what happened on the sideline minutes earlier and the bust-up that took place when referee Ian Tempest sought clarification on the status of Afoa, whom Lam had claimed was replaced injured but was written down as a tactical sub on the fourth official’s card.
Three days after the fiery exchanges, Borthwick held his weekly Leicester media briefing and he didn’t want to get into the matter beyond what was seen to unfold on Saturday. “I understand what you are asking me and as I said at the end of the game that I had no intention of talking about it,” he said.
“It’s pretty clear what was being done, what was being said by people on the sideline. I am sure you have watched it, I’m sure you have heard it and I am sure whoever is investigating it will see it as well. I don’t really need to comment on it and I’ll just crack on with trying to coach well and trying to do things in what is deemed to be the right way.
Verdict's in on bust-up as citing window closes https://t.co/XLrFV2Erq2
— RugbyPass (@RugbyPass) June 8, 2021
“Ultimately that last scrum we didn’t scrum effectively enough so again it is another learning experience for us. They [Bristol] are an excellent team, a tremendously well-coached team packed full of star talent and when we gave them opportunities they took them in the game and they scored good tries, most of them from long range because they took their opportunities. We gave away too many opportunities and that shows where we are as a team right now.”
The argument on the touchline over whether Afoa was coming on or not caused upwards of a five-minute delay at a time when Leicester were winning repeated scrum penalties and had just seen Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro, Bristol’s replacement tighthead, sin-binned by the referee.
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Asked if the delay was a problem that cost Leicester the win as they were unable to exert the same dominance at the set-piece when that final delayed scrum was allowed to proceed, Borthwick added: “It was the same for both teams, wasn’t it? Both teams had to wait the same amount of time, both teams had the same opportunity to address what they needed to address to go into that.
“I don’t see it as an issue. Nowadays you have breaks, you have TMO, there are different times when there are stoppages. Everyone here has watched rugby for a long time and accepts that so how you manage those periods is an important part of the performance.
“We have moved on, we have a game on Saturday against Wasps that we are looking forward to and their scrum has been very good this season, this last part of the season. They are coached really well and have some formidable players in that front row. You start looking at Kieran Brookes, Biyi Alo, these are good players so our focus has been very much let’s look ahead to Wasps now.”
“When I don’t have much good to say about people, I don’t say it. I’d rather not comment on the behaviour of the opposition"#LEIvBRIhttps://t.co/BNobiEZihP
— RugbyPass (@RugbyPass) June 5, 2021
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Lets compare apples with apples. Lyon sent weak team the week before, but nobody raised an eyebrow. Give the South African teams a few years to build their depth, then you will be moaning that the teams are too strong.
41 Go to commentsDid footballs agents also perform the scout role at some time? I’m surprised more high profile players haven’t taken up the occupation, great way to remain in the game and use all that experience without really requiring a lot of specific expertise?
1 Go to commentsSuper rugby is struggling but that has little to do with sabbaticals. 1. Too many teams from Aust and NZ - should be 3 and 4 respectively, add in 2 from Japan, 1 possibly 2 from Argentina. 2. Inconsistent and poor refereeing, admittedly not restricted to Super rugby. Only one team was reffed at the breakdown in Reds v H’Landers match. Scrum penalty awarded in Canes v Drua when No 8 had the ball in the open with little defence nearby - ideal opportunity to play advantage. Coming back to Reds match - same scrum situation but ref played advantage - Landers made 10 yards and were penalised at the breakdown when the ref should have returned to scrum penalty. 3. Marketing is weak and losing ground to AFL and NRL. Playing 2 days compared with 4. 4. Scheduling is unattractive to family attendance. Have any franchises heard of Sundays 2pm?
10 Go to commentsAbsolutely..all they need is a chance in yhe playoffs and I bet all the other teams will be nervous…THEY KNOW HOW TO WIN IM THE PLAYOFFS..
2 Go to commentsI really hope he comes back and helps out with some coaching.
1 Go to commentsI think we are all just hoping that the Olympic 7s doesn’t suffer the same sad fate as the last RWC with the officials ruining the spectacle.
1 Go to commentsPersonally, I’ve lost the will to even be bothered about the RFU, the structure, the participants. It’s all a sham. I now simply enjoy getting a group of friends together to go and watch a few games a year in different locations (including Europe, the championship, etc). I feel extremely sorry for the real fans of these clubs who are constantly ignored by the RFU and other administrators. I feel especially sorry for the fans of clubs in the Championship who have had considerable central funding stripped away and are then expected to just take whatever the RFU put to them. Its all a sham, especially if the failed clubs are allowed to return.
9 Go to commentsI’m guessing Carl Hayman would have preferred to have stayed in NZ with benefit of hindsight. Up north there is the expectation to play twice as many games with far less ‘player management’ protocols that Paul is now criticising. Less playing through concussions means longer, healthier, careers. Carter used as the eg here by Paul, his sabbatical allowed him to play until age 37. OK its not an exact science but there is far more expectations on players who sign for Top 14 or Engl Prem clubs to get value for the huge salaries. NZR get alot wrong but keeping their best players in NZ rugby is not one of them. SA clubs are virtually devoid of their top players now, no thanks. They cant threaten the big teams in the Champions Cup, the squads have little depth. Cant see Canes/Chiefs struggling. Super has been great this year, fantastic high skill matches. Drua a fantastic addition and Jaguares will add another quality team eventually. Aus teams performing strongly and no doubt will benefit with the incentive of a Lions tour and a home RWC. Let Jordie enjoy his time with Leinster, it will allow the opportunity for another player to emerge at Canes in his absence.
10 Go to commentsLove that man, his way to despise angry little men is so funny ! 😂
4 Go to comments“South African franchises would be powerhouses if we had all our overseas based players back in situ. We would have the same unbeatable aura the Toulouses, Leinsters or Saracens of this world have had over the last decade or so.” Proof that Jake white does not understand the economics of the game in SA. Players earning abroad are not going to simply come back and represent the bulls. But they might if they have a springbok contract.
22 Go to commentsA lot of fans just joined in for the fun of it! We all admire O'Gara and what he has done for La Rochelle
4 Go to commentsThe RFU will find a way to mess this up as usual. My bet is there will be no promotion into the the Premiership, only relegation into National League One. Hopefully they won’t parachute failed clubs into the league at the expense of clubs who have battled for promotion.
9 Go to commentsWell that’s the contracts for RG and Jordie bought and paid for. Now, what are the chances we can persuade Antoine to hop over with all the extra dosh we’ll have from living at the Aviva & Croke next season…??? 🤑🤑🤑
35 Go to commentsWow, that’s incredible. Great for rugby.
35 Go to commentsYou probably read that parling is going to coach the wallaby lineout but if not before now you have.
14 Go to commentsIf someone like Leo Cullen was in O’Gara’s place I don’t hear Boo-ing. It’s not just that La Rochelle has hurt Leinster and O’Gara is their Irish boss. It’s the needle that he brings and the pantomime activity before the game around pretending that Munster were supporting LaRochelle just because O’Gara is from Cork. That’s dividing Irish provinces just to get an advantage for his French Team. He can F*ck right off with that. BOOOOO! (but not while someone is lying injured)
4 Go to commentsDid the highlanders party too hard before the game? They were the pits.
1 Go to commentsWhat a player! Not long until he’s in the England side, surely?
5 Go to commentsHe seems to have the same aura as Marcus Smith - by which I mean he’s consistently judged as if he’s several years younger than he actually is. Mngomezulu has played 24 times for the Stormers. When Pollard was his age he had played 24 times for South Africa! He has more time to develop, but he has also had time to do some developing already, and he hasn’t demonstrated nearly as much talent in that time as one would expect. If he is a generational talent, then it must be a pretty poor generation.
6 Go to commentsThe greatest Springbok coach of all time is entirely on the money. Rassie and Jacques have given the south african public a great few years, but the success of the springbok selection policy will need to be judged in light of what comes next. The poor condition that the provincial system is currently in doesn’t bode well for the next few years of international rugby, and the insane 2026 schedule that the Boks have lined up could also really harm both provincial and international consistency.
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