Ex-All Blacks debate who should start at No 15 against Springboks
Former All Blacks greats Jeff Wilson and Sir John Kirwan have clashed over who should start at fullback for New Zealand in this week’s Rugby Championship clash against the Springboks in Townsville.
The test will be a momentous occasion for the two sides given it will be their 100th meeting, and with the All Blacks 10 points clear at the top of the Rugby Championship table, the match acts as a chance for them to clinch the title for the first time since 2018.
It should come as little surprise, then, that the All Blacks are expected to name a full-strength side to face the South Africans, who head into the contest as rank outsiders following two surprise defeats at the hands of the Wallabies over the past fortnight.
Just who exactly makes up the first-choice All Blacks side won’t be revealed until Thursday, but Wilson and Kirwan have differing opinions over who should make the cut in the No 15 jersey.
Speaking on The Breakdown on Monday, Kirwan asked who Wilson believed will start at fullback, and the former 60-test international argued that Damian McKenzie warrants starting honours in his preferred position.
McKenzie’s standing as the preferred fullback option was reflected by his selection at No 15 in two of the biggest matches thus far this year in the opening two Bledisloe Cup tests against the Wallabies in Auckland last month.
The 26-year-old also ended the mid-year test series against Tonga and Fiji as the premier All Blacks fullback, and has started in four of New Zealand’s eight tests in the No 15 jersey this year, while also earning an additional start at No 10 against Los Pumas last weekend.
By contrast, fellow fullback Jordie Barrett has also started four of the eight All Blacks tests from the No 15 jersey this year, including in three of the side’s most recent matches.
One of those outings came in the dead-rubber Bledisloe Cup clash against the Wallabies in Perth, a game of which Barrett was given a red card, that was later rescinded, for a flying kick to the face of Australian wing Marika Koroibete.
The other two recent appearances were against Argentina in matches where the All Blacks made sweeping changes to their starting team, seemingly in preparation for their upcoming pair of tests against the Springboks.
Those facts underpin the perception that McKenzie has established himself as the first-choice All Blacks fullback, and Wilson said the 35-test playmaker’s attacking exploits should keep him at the top of the pecking order for this weekend’s match.
“I still think it’s Damian McKenzie,” Wilson said when asked by Kirwan who will don the No 15 jersey.
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“There’s no doubt Jordie Barrett was better on the weekend. I still think that his impact can be off the bench. I still like that combination with Beauden Barrett and first-five and McKenzie [at fullback]. I think that’s what they’ve banked on. He’s done a good job for them.
“What I’ve seen, particularly out of the Wallabies which put the Springboks under so much pressure, was the fact the more you play and [keep] the ball in play, to me, against the Springboks, will be our ally.
“When we’ve got guys who can create, I think that’s going to put them under so much pressure. We’ve got to look to counter-attack if they kick us the ball.”
Wilson’s response was questioned further by Kirwan, who said the younger Barrett brother was the better option to face the Springboks.
The 1987 World Cup-winner labelled the Springboks as predictable as he described them as a “northern hemisphere-style team” that struggled to compete with the pace of which the Wallabies played at on the Gold Coast and in Brisbane.
It’s for that reason, he said, that Barrett’s height advantage and his long-range goal-kicking ability could prove to be valuable against the South Africans, whose kicking game has become a hallmark of their style of play.
“You know what South Africa are going to throw at you now, right,” Kirwan told The Breakdown.
“You just know, and that’s why I was really interested about your comment, Goldie [Wilson], about Damian playing at fullback.
“You’ve got a 20-foot fullback [Barrett] who’s playing at the moment under the high ball, I just think he might be a tactically better option, plus he can kick it from 55 yards. I’m sure McKenzie can, but I just think they’re a northern hemisphere team.”
Kirwan added that McKenzie’s influence off the bench has the potential to wreak havoc against a tiring South African defence.
“I think we bring Damian on late, last 30 minutes when the Springboks are getting tired, as a tactical move,” he said.
“I think either or at fullback, to be fair, but I think Damian coming off the bench, we missed him at the World Cup. When sides are getting tired, he’s absolutely devastating.”
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Did footballs agents also perform the scout role at some time? I’m surprised more high profile players haven’t taken up the occupation, great way to remain in the game and use all that experience without really requiring a lot of specific expertise?
1 Go to commentsSuper rugby is struggling but that has little to do with sabbaticals. 1. Too many teams from Aust and NZ - should be 3 and 4 respectively, add in 2 from Japan, 1 possibly 2 from Argentina. 2. Inconsistent and poor refereeing, admittedly not restricted to Super rugby. Only one team was reffed at the breakdown in Reds v H’Landers match. Scrum penalty awarded in Canes v Drua when No 8 had the ball in the open with little defence nearby - ideal opportunity to play advantage. Coming back to Reds match - same scrum situation but ref played advantage - Landers made 10 yards and were penalised at the breakdown when the ref should have returned to scrum penalty. 3. Marketing is weak and losing ground to AFL and NRL. Playing 2 days compared with 4. 4. Scheduling is unattractive to family attendance. Have any franchises heard of Sundays 2pm?
10 Go to commentsAbsolutely..all they need is a chance in yhe playoffs and I bet all the other teams will be nervous…THEY KNOW HOW TO WIN IM THE PLAYOFFS..
2 Go to commentsI really hope he comes back and helps out with some coaching.
1 Go to commentsI think we are all just hoping that the Olympic 7s doesn’t suffer the same sad fate as the last RWC with the officials ruining the spectacle.
1 Go to commentsPersonally, I’ve lost the will to even be bothered about the RFU, the structure, the participants. It’s all a sham. I now simply enjoy getting a group of friends together to go and watch a few games a year in different locations (including Europe, the championship, etc). I feel extremely sorry for the real fans of these clubs who are constantly ignored by the RFU and other administrators. I feel especially sorry for the fans of clubs in the Championship who have had considerable central funding stripped away and are then expected to just take whatever the RFU put to them. Its all a sham, especially if the failed clubs are allowed to return.
9 Go to commentsI’m guessing Carl Hayman would have preferred to have stayed in NZ with benefit of hindsight. Up north there is the expectation to play twice as many games with far less ‘player management’ protocols that Paul is now criticising. Less playing through concussions means longer, healthier, careers. Carter used as the eg here by Paul, his sabbatical allowed him to play until age 37. OK its not an exact science but there is far more expectations on players who sign for Top 14 or Engl Prem clubs to get value for the huge salaries. NZR get alot wrong but keeping their best players in NZ rugby is not one of them. SA clubs are virtually devoid of their top players now, no thanks. They cant threaten the big teams in the Champions Cup, the squads have little depth. Cant see Canes/Chiefs struggling. Super has been great this year, fantastic high skill matches. Drua a fantastic addition and Jaguares will add another quality team eventually. Aus teams performing strongly and no doubt will benefit with the incentive of a Lions tour and a home RWC. Let Jordie enjoy his time with Leinster, it will allow the opportunity for another player to emerge at Canes in his absence.
10 Go to commentsLove that man, his way to despise angry little men is so funny ! 😂
4 Go to comments“South African franchises would be powerhouses if we had all our overseas based players back in situ. We would have the same unbeatable aura the Toulouses, Leinsters or Saracens of this world have had over the last decade or so.” Proof that Jake white does not understand the economics of the game in SA. Players earning abroad are not going to simply come back and represent the bulls. But they might if they have a springbok contract.
22 Go to commentsA lot of fans just joined in for the fun of it! We all admire O'Gara and what he has done for La Rochelle
4 Go to commentsThe RFU will find a way to mess this up as usual. My bet is there will be no promotion into the the Premiership, only relegation into National League One. Hopefully they won’t parachute failed clubs into the league at the expense of clubs who have battled for promotion.
9 Go to commentsWell that’s the contracts for RG and Jordie bought and paid for. Now, what are the chances we can persuade Antoine to hop over with all the extra dosh we’ll have from living at the Aviva & Croke next season…??? 🤑🤑🤑
34 Go to commentsWow, that’s incredible. Great for rugby.
34 Go to commentsYou probably read that parling is going to coach the wallaby lineout but if not before now you have.
14 Go to commentsIf someone like Leo Cullen was in O’Gara’s place I don’t hear Boo-ing. It’s not just that La Rochelle has hurt Leinster and O’Gara is their Irish boss. It’s the needle that he brings and the pantomime activity before the game around pretending that Munster were supporting LaRochelle just because O’Gara is from Cork. That’s dividing Irish provinces just to get an advantage for his French Team. He can F*ck right off with that. BOOOOO! (but not while someone is lying injured)
4 Go to commentsDid the highlanders party too hard before the game? They were the pits.
1 Go to commentsWhat a player! Not long until he’s in the England side, surely?
5 Go to commentsHe seems to have the same aura as Marcus Smith - by which I mean he’s consistently judged as if he’s several years younger than he actually is. Mngomezulu has played 24 times for the Stormers. When Pollard was his age he had played 24 times for South Africa! He has more time to develop, but he has also had time to do some developing already, and he hasn’t demonstrated nearly as much talent in that time as one would expect. If he is a generational talent, then it must be a pretty poor generation.
6 Go to commentsThe greatest Springbok coach of all time is entirely on the money. Rassie and Jacques have given the south african public a great few years, but the success of the springbok selection policy will need to be judged in light of what comes next. The poor condition that the provincial system is currently in doesn’t bode well for the next few years of international rugby, and the insane 2026 schedule that the Boks have lined up could also really harm both provincial and international consistency.
22 Go to commentsJake White is a brilliant coach and a master in the press. This is another masterclass in media relations and PR but its also a very narrow view with arguments that dont always hold water. White wants his team to win, he wants the best players in SA and wants his team competitive. You however have to face up to the reality of a poor exchange rate and big clubs with big budgets. SA Rugby cant compete and unless it can find more money SA players will keep leaving regardless of Springbok eligibility and this happened in 2015 - 2017. Also rugby is not cricket. Cricket has 3 formats and T20 cricket is where the money is at. When it comes to club vs country the IPL is king but that wont happen because the international calendar does not clash with the club calendar in rugby. So the argument about rugby going down the same path as cricket is really a non-starter
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