Winning isn't everything - but neither is the Rugby World Cup
After a tumultuous run of results throughout the international season, Eddie Jones’ tenure as head coach of England has come to an end.
Losses to Scotland, Ireland and France throughout the Six Nations left many uneasy but an away series win against an underperforming Wallabies side in July quietened some of the discourse. There was little to like about November, however, with a solitary win over Japan sandwiched between defeats to Argentina and South Africa and a draw with New Zealand.
Jones, however, has always made the case that there’s light at the end of the tunnel.
While England haven’t been winning matches, success at the 2023 World Cup has always been the end goal for Jones.
“I’m disappointed – disappointed for the fans, for the players,” Jones said following the Six Nations. “I obviously haven’t done a good enough job, I accept that, but we’re moving in the right direction. The results aren’t good enough. When you rebuild a team, it takes time.
“We have got a lot of good young players coming through and some of the older guys are starting to play some really good rugby again, so we are going to have a good blend going through to the World Cup.
“The results aren’t the results we’d like – we’d all like to be winning tournaments and be at the top of the table, but we’re not quite good enough to do that now. But within the next 12 to 14 months when we prepare for the World Cup, we will be. We’ve got 12 Tests before the World Cup and if you look at that, it means guys like Freddie and Marcus and Harry are going to increase their Test experience by 100 per cent in that period.
“There is a great learning experience for them. I think the timing for our team going into the World Cup is very good.”
Jones has trotted out a similar line over the past four years – ever since he took England to the final at the last edition of the flagship tournament – and the powers that be have stuck by him. November proved too much for the RFU, however, and while they’ve never been too disheartened at England’s unsavoury record over the past two campaigns, believing in Jones’ vision, they’ve evidently decided that things aren’t simply going to come right at France 2023.
Now one of the most successful World Cup coaches in the history of the game could be without a team at next year’s competition.
Across the ocean, another premier side has faced a similarly troubling era.
Ian Foster took charge of New Zealand following the 2019 World Cup and results have been less than impressive, to say the least.
Although the All Blacks have bagged back-to-back-to-back Rugby Championship titles (or a Tri-Nations in 2020 when South Africa weren’t involved), you suspect that they would not have faired any better than England in the Six Nations, with Ireland and France clearly the two best sides in the world at present.
Historic home losses to Ireland and Argentina throughout Foster’s tenure have also blighted the All Blacks’ name while the win rate over the past three years has been down there with some of the worst in any coach’s history with the NZ national side.
Justin Marshall summed it up well at the end of the 2021 season:
“The way the All Blacks are playing, there are probably very few people out there that are convinced they can win the World Cup but even if they do manage to pull a rabbit out of a hat, the aura of the All Blacks is being seriously damaged by their current performances.
“Until last weekend, the All Blacks hadn’t lost in Paris for half a century. Until last year, Argentina had never beaten the All Blacks. The records will keep tumbling if the current side can’t turn things around and even a World Cup win won’t reverse historic defeats.
“The All Blacks have never been a side that slowly builds towards major competitions, we’ve never been a team that targets World Cups and says ‘We’re learning, we’ll get there’. The pathway to the World Cup is equally as important as the World Cup itself and right now, the current results just aren’t good enough.”
The records did keep tumbling in 2022 and while Foster has effectively stuck to the same mantra as Jones – that the team is building towards the Rugby World Cup and things will ‘come right’ in time for the tournament opener in Paris – NZ and England shouldn’t be comfortable with peaking at the World Cup while taking losses in the years in-between.
Even ignoring the record subsidence that’s gone on over the past few years for both nations, there’s not been much in the way of evidence to suggest that either team really is building for the World Cup.
New Zealand’s patchy 2021 was followed up by a patchy 2022 and while there were a few good wins throughout this year’s campaign, the point remains that the All Blacks don’t look any closer to being able to account for Ireland, France or South Africa (consistently, at least) after struggling against the likes of Argentina, Australia and Scotland.
In England’s case, Jones has often talked about how the side is rebuilding ahead of 2023 but in last month’s World Cup final rematch between England and the Springboks, it was Jones’ men who more closely resembled their team from three years prior.
While the South Africa side that hoisted the Rugby World Cup in 2019 will obviously go down as world champions, they won’t be remembered as one of the best of all time because of their performances in the years surrounding the tournament – and England and New Zealand now find themselves in the same boat.
The primary focus on the World Cup – ostensibly at the cost of all else – has resulted in Eddie Jones losing his post with England and All Blacks coach Ian Foster almost found himself in a similar predicament. For the top nations in the world, it should be evident that head coaches can’t hang your flag on ‘simply’ leading a team to success at the World Cup – they have to offer something more. Jones hasn’t done that and now he’s paid the price.
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The rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
76 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
2 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
1 Go to commentsexcellent idea ! rugby needs this 💪
9 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
12 Go to commentsI like this, but ultimately rugby already has enough trophies. Trying to make more games “consequential" might prove to be a fools errand, although this is a less bad idea than some others. Minor quibble with the title of the article; it isn’t very meaningful to say the boks are the unofficial world champions when it would be functionally impossible for the Raeburn trophy not to be held by the world champions. There’s a period of a few months every 4 years when there is no “unofficial” world champion, and the Raeburn trophy is held by the actual world champions.
9 Go to commentsIts a great idea but one that I dont think will have a lot of traction. It will depend on the prestige that they each hold but if you can do that it would be great. When Japan beat the Boks (my team) I was absolutely devestated but I wont deny the great game they played that day. We were outclassed and it was one of the best games of rugby I have seen. Using an idea like this you might just give the the underdog teams more of an opportunity to beat the big teams and I can absolutely see it being a brilliant display of rugby. They beat us because they planned for that game. It was a great moment for Japan. This way we can remove the 4 year wait and give teams something to aim for outside of World Cup years.
9 Go to commentsHi, Dave here. Happy to answer questions 🥰
9 Go to commentsDon’t think that headline is accurate. It’s great to see Aus doing better but I’m not sure they’ve shown much threat to the top of the table. They shouldn’t be inflating wins against the lousy Highlanders and Crusaders either.
3 Go to commentsSuch a shame Roigard and Aumua picked up long term injuries, probably the two form players in the comp. Also, pretty sure Clarke Dermody isn’t their coach. Got it half right though.
3 Go to commentsOh the Aussie media, they never learn. At least Andrew Kellaway is like “Woah, yeah it’s great, but settle down there guys” having endured years of the Aussie media, fans, and often their players getting ahead of themselves only to fall flat on their faces. Have the “We'll win the Bledisloe for sure this year!” headlines started yet? It’s simple to see what’s going on. The Aussie teams are settled, they didn't lose any of their major players overseas. The Crusaders and Chiefs lost key experienced All Blacks, and Razor in the Crusaders case, and clearly neither are anywhere near as strong as last year (The Canes and Blues would probably be 3rd & 4th if they were). The Highlanders are annually average, even more so post-Aaron Smith and a big squad clean out. The two teams at the top? The two nz sides with largely the same settled roster as last year, except Ardie Savea for the Canes. They’ve both got far better coaches now too. If the Aussies are going to win the title, this is the year the kiwi sides will be weakest, so they better take their chance.
3 Go to commentsThe World Cup has to be the gold standard, line in the sand. 113 teams compete for what is the opportunity to make the pool stages, and then the knockout games for the trophy. The concept is sound. This must have been the rationale when the World Cup was created, surely? But I’m all for Looking forward and finding new ways for the SH to dominate the NH into the future. The autumn series needs a change up. Let’s start by having the NH teams come south every odd year for the Autumn/Spring series games?
9 Go to commentsWhat’ll happen when the AI models of the future go back in time and try to destroy the AI models of the past standing in their way of certain victory?
41 Go to commentsThanks, Nick. We (Seanny Maloney, Brett and I) just discussed Charlie as a potential Wallaby No 8, and wondered if he has truly realised how big he is in contact (and whether he can add 5 kg w/o slowing down). Your scouting report confirms our suspicions he has the materiel. No one knows if he has the mentality (as Johann van Graan said this week about CJ, Duane and Alfie B) to carry 10-15 times a game.
57 Go to commentsHe would be a great player for the Stormers, Dobbo should approach the guy.
3 Go to commentsGood article. A few years back when he was playing for the Cheetahs, he was a quiet standout for exactly the seasons stated here. I occasionally get to see his games in the UK, and he has become a more complete player and in many ways like an Irish player. His work ethic is so suitable to the Leinster game. I wonder if Rassie would have him listed somewhere.
3 Go to commentsResults probably skewed by the fact that a few clubs have foreign fly halves in their 30s, but most teams have young English scrum halves. Results also likely to be skewed by the fact that many teams rely on centres and fullbacks to provide depth at 10, whereas they will need to stock a large number of specialist backup 9s.
2 Go to commentsI really get the sense that when all is said and done, the path of least resistance will end up being a merger of Wasps & Worcester that essentially kills the Worcester Warriors brand and sees Wasps permanently playing at Sixways. I’m not saying that’s what should happen or what I want to happen. I just think it’s the easiest rout to take and therefore, will be what happens. Wasps will definitely return to play first, and I suppose it all depends on if they can find support at Sixways. If people turn up and support Wasps in that community, at that ground, I bet they drop the Sevenoaks plan and just remain at Sixways. Under the radar but not totally unrelated, it looks as though London Irish are going to be brought back from the dead by a German consortium and look set to return, likely to the remade Championship. It’s set to have 12 clubs next season with 14 in 2025/26, what do you want to bet those extra 2 are Wasps and London Irish?
3 Go to commentsThe shoulder is a “joint” with multiple bones. You don’t “fracture” a shoulder, you fracture any one or more of the bones that make up a shoulder.
2 Go to commentsOh dear, bones too suspect to continue?
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