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'This aged like a glass of milk in the sun' - Fans react as Sir John Kirwan is made to eat 'humble pie' after Argentina beat All Blacks
Not many people picked Argentina to beat the All Blacks on Saturday afternoon in Sydney, and All Blacks legend Sir John Kirwan certainly wasn’t one of them.
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On Sky Sport NZ’s show The Breakdown, Kirwan joked about why the All Blacks would win the test comfortably, crediting Los Pumas’ lack of game time and the challenges they’ve had to overcome with COVID-19. They hadn’t played a test match in 402 days, where they defeated the United States at the Rugby World Cup.
He suggested that the All Blacks “don’t play your top side” as they look to develop players ahead of the 2023 Rugby World Cup in France.
Kirwan’s comments were heavily criticised on social media, with former Springboks prop and 2019 World Cup winner Tendai Mtawarira, also known as ‘The Beast’, saying after the match that the former All Black had been “too cocky.” Other fans on Twitter seemed to have a similar reaction.
Too cocky mate ???. https://t.co/qTzXXxo5RQ
— Tendai Mtawarira (@Beast_TM) November 14, 2020
Never underestimate Argentina?
— ? (@the__goat12) November 14, 2020
— DayvidTee (@DayvidTee) November 14, 2020
Kirwan admitted that he had to eat “humble pie” after the test though, as Argentina recorded their first-ever win over the All Blacks.
Eat humble pie I’ll have to eat the breakdown desk, great win and well deserved for Argentina, they taught us passion, commitment and how to turn adversity into a positive, estoy feliz para vos
— Sir John Kirwan (@JohnKirwan_14) November 14, 2020
Both Nicolas Sanchez and Richie Mo’unga traded penalties early, but the Pumas controlled the match from then on. Sanchez was a particular standout, scoring all of his sides 25 points, outscoring the All Blacks by 10-points on his own.
The defensive performance of the side was especially impressive, with captain Pablo Mater leading from the front.
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At the set-piece, the Pumas also shut down the All Blacks when it counted, especially when the favourites had chances to score points with attacking mauls but on more than one occasion, one the lineout against the throw. Argentina also dominated the All Blacks scrum.
The win sees the All Blacks lose two matches in a row for the first time since 2011, a stat Kirwan joked about as well.
“When was the last time the All Blacks lost two in a row?”
His comments come just a week after he controversially suggested that World Rugby get rid of red cards, after Bledisloe IV saw two players sent off.
Can someone please remove John Kirwan from the sky sports team. I like him, and he comes across as a great bloke, and was a great player, but clearly he has no understanding of the tactics of the game. He was a terrible coach, and is a terrible rugby pundit.
— David Cook (@DavidCook88) November 14, 2020
John Kirwan needs some humble pie!!! The NZ arrogance makes this victory even sweeter for the Pumas.
— Hein Koen (@Mr_H_Koen) November 14, 2020
Arrogance is your biggest enemy
— Richard Noor. PhD (@NoorRichard) November 14, 2020
Hook it to my veins!! I CAN’T WAIT for next week’s episode @TheBreakdownNZ @JohnKirwan_14 enjoy that humble pie. The arrogance and ignorance is unreal #NZLvARG pic.twitter.com/cflNwy1Y4C
— Gerwyn Thomas (@GerwynThomas1) November 14, 2020
‘Did that really just happen?’
John Kirwan.#NZLvARG
— Tanya (@GongGasGirl) November 14, 2020
I’m sure John Kirwan regretting this! ?
— Chevyhh (@Chevyhh) November 14, 2020
Sir John Kirwan said earlier in the week on the Breakdown that Argentina pose no threat to the All Blacks, Lol
— Tony Soprano (@___Heisenberg1) November 14, 2020
John Kirwan next Monday: There’s no need for South America in the game, people don’t pay money to see that…
— Tim O’Connor (@timoconnorbl) November 14, 2020
Humble pie becoming the favorite dish?
— James (@jamestaylor_09) November 15, 2020
ADVERTISEMENTThat being said, his response hasn’t all been negative, with his most recent Tweet having been met with some praise after he admitted he was wrong.
Well said JK – all of us have to eat humble pie at some stage ?
— Justin Middleton (@rugbybroadcastr) November 14, 2020
You are so right here @JohnKirwan_14 , Argentina deserved to win. Congratulations to them too.
— Suzanne Clark (@SuzymaySuzanne) November 14, 2020
Respect Sir – a true gent
— Craig (@balumbah) November 14, 2020
Kirwan will be back on The Breakdown this week, where he’ll be expected to discuss his comments and the match that followed.
As for the Pumas, they’re set to face the Wallabies in Newcastle this weekend. A win would see them go top of the Tri Nations standings, and put them in a good position to win it all in a few weeks time. The All Blacks are on a bye this week, but will have a chance to get revenge in Newcastle in two weekends time.
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Exciting place to be for the young fella. I expected he was French Polynesian when I saw him included in the France 6N squad (after seeing him in NZs), and therefor be strong grounds we might loose him to rugby down here. Good, in that he is good enough to warrant such a profile, and from a journalism’s fan interaction aspect, to finally get a back ground story on the fella. Hope he has settled into NZ OK and that at least one rugby country will fit with him to help his development, which, if so, he should surely continue for a few years, and then that he can experience France to it’s fullest with a bit more maturity and less reliance on family than you would have at his current age. A good 3 or 4 years before he would be ready for International duty if he wanted to wait. Of course he already sounds good enough to accept a call up, and to cap himself, in the more immediate future (he’d have to be very very good in the case of the ABs), and he’ll get a great taste of that being with the Canes who have a bunch who are just a few years further into their career and looking likely Internationals themselves.
9 Go to commentsI remember towards the end of the original broadcasting deal for Super rugby with Newscorp that there was talk about the competition expanding to improve negotiations for more money - more content, more cash. Professional rugby was still in its infancy then and I held an opposing view that if Super rugby was a truly valuable competition then it should attract more broadcasters to bid for the rights, thereby increasing the value without needing to add more teams and games. Unfortunately since the game turned professional, the tension between club, talent and country has only grown further. I would argue we’re already at a point in time where the present is the future. The only international competitions that matter are 6N, RC and RWC. The inter-hemisphere tours are only developmental for those competitions. The games that increasingly matter more to fans, sponsors and broadcasters are between the clubs. Particularly for European fans, there are multiple competitions to follow your teams fortunes every week. SA is not Europe but competes in a single continental competition, so the travel component will always be an impediment. It was worse in the bloated days of Super rugby when teams traversed between four continents - Africa, America, Asia and Australia. The percentage of players who represent their country is less than 5% of the professional player base, so the sense of sacrifice isn’t as strong a motivation for the rest who are more focused on playing professional rugby and earning as much from their body as they can. Rugby like cricket created the conundrum it’s constantly fighting a losing battle with.
3 Go to commentsOh wow… “But as La Rochelle proved in winning in Cape Town this season, a cross-continental away assignment need not spell the end of days.” La Rochelle actually proved quite the opposite. After traveling to Cape town and back they (back-to-back and current champs) got mercilessly thumped the next week. If travel is not the reason, why else would a full-strength powerhouse like La Rochelle get dumped on their @r$e$ one week later?
26 Go to commentsYou know he can land a winning conversion after the full time siren is up. (Even if it takes two attempts.)
5 Go to commentsA very insightful article from Jake. I would love to know how South African’s feel about their move to Europe. Do you prefer playing in Europe or want to go back to Super Rugby?
3 Go to commentspure fire
1 Go to commentsA very well thought out summary of all the relevant complications…agree with your ”refer the Cricket Test versus 20/20 comparison”. More also definitely doesn't necessarily mean better!
3 Go to commentsMust be something when you are only 19 y.o and both NZ and France want you. Btw he wasn’t the only new caledonian in french U20 as Robin Couly also lived in Noumea until 17. Hope he’s successful wherever he chooses to play.
9 Go to comments“Several key players in the Stade Rochelais squad are in their thirties” South Africans are going to hate the implications of that comment!
5 Go to commentsI know Leinster did a job on La Roche but shortly after HT Leinster were 30-13 ahead of them and at a similar time Toulouse were trailing Exeter. At 60 mins Leinster were 27 ahead but after 67 mins Toulouse were only 19 ahead before Exeter collapsed. That’s heavier scoring by Leinster against the Champions. I think people are looking at Toulouses total a little too much. I also think Northhampton are in with a real chance, albeit I’d put Leinster as favourites. If Leinster make the final I expect them to win by more than ten and with control.
5 Go to commentsHey Nick, your match analysis is decent but the top and tail not so much, a bit more random. For a start there’s a seismic difference in regenerating any club side over a test team. EJ pretty much had to urinate with the appendage he’d been given at test level whereas club success is impacted hugely by the budget. Look no further than Boudjellal’s Toulon project for a perfect example. The set ups at La Rochelle and Leinster are like chalk and cheese and you are correct that Leinster are ahead. Leinster are not just slightly ahead though, they are light years ahead on their plans, with the next gen champions cup team already blooded, seasoned and developing at speed from their time manning the fort in the URC while the cream play CC and tests. They have engineered a strong talent conveyor belt into their system, supported by private money funnelled into a couple of Leinster private schools. The really smart move from Leinster and the IRFU however is maximising the Irish Revenue tax breaks (tax relief on the best 10 years earnings refunded at retirement) to help keep all of their stars in Ireland and happy, while simultaneously funding marquee players consistently. And of course Barrett is the latest example. But in no way is he a “replacement for Henshaw”, he’s only there for one season!!! As for Rob Baxter, the best advice you can give him is to start lobbying Parliament and HMRC for a similar state subsidy, but don’t hold your breath… One thing Cullen has been very smart with is his coaching team. Very quickly he realised his need to supplement his skills, there was talk of him exiting after his first couple of years but he was extremely shrewd bringing in Lancaster and now Nienaber. That has worked superbly and added a layer that really has made a tangible difference. Apart from that you were bang on the money… 😉😂
5 Go to commentsNot sure exactly what went wrong for him at Glasgow but it’s pretty clear he ain’t Franco’s cup of tea. Suspect he would have been better served heading out of Scotland around the same time as Finn, Hoggy and Jonny!
1 Go to commentsBulls disrespected the Northampton supporters and the competition. Decide quickly, fully in or out.
26 Go to commentsI wonder if Parling was ever on England’s radar as a coach? Obviously Borthwick is a great lineout coach, but I do worry he might be taking on too much as both head coach and forwards coach.
1 Go to commentsJason Jenkins has one cap. When Etzebeth was his age he had over 80 caps. Experience matters. He will never amount to what Etzebeth has because he hasn’t been developed as an international player.
2 Go to commentsSays much about the player picking this gig over the easier and bigger rewards offered to him in Japan. Also says a lot about the state sanctioned tax benefits the Irish Revenue offers pro rugby players, with their ten highest earning years subject to an additional 40% tax relief and paid as a lump sum, in cash, at retirement. Certainly helps Leinster line up the financial ducks in a row to fund marquee signings like this!!! No other union anywhere in world rugby benefits from this kind of lucrative financial sponsorship from their government…
5 Go to commentsTrue Jordie could earn a lot more in Japan. But by choosing Leinster he’ll be playing with 1 of the best clubs in the world and can win a champions cup and URC…..
6 Go to commentsThanks for that Marshy, noticed you didn't say who is gonna win it. We know who ain't gonna win it - your Crusaders outfit. They've gone from having arguably the best Super Rugby first five ever, to having a clutch of rookies. Hurricanes all the way!
1 Go to commentsGeez you really have to question the NRLs ability to produce players of quality. Its pathetic. Dont the 25mil in Aus produce enough quality womens players. Sad.
1 Go to commentsBulls fan here, and agree 100% with the conclusion (and little else) of this article. SA sides should absolutely f-off from the champs cup until we get fair scheduling, equal support for travel arrangements and home semis. You know, like all the european teams get.
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