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Sam Warburton responds to Clive Woodward, names Gatland successor

Sam Warburton leads out the 2017 British and Irish Lions (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Retired Wales captain Sam Warburton has ruled himself out of a Test rugby return as a WRU administrator. The Welsh national team are currently in free fall under head coach Warren Gatland, with defeat to South Africa in their closing Autumn Nations Series outing their record-setting 12th loss on the bounce.

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Warburton, who retired from playing in 2018, spent a short time coaching Wales in the early part of the Wayne Pivac era and is now assisting Cardiff as a member of their board.

There has been a clamour for change in recent months at national level but while Warburton believes a director of rugby must be appointed above Gatland, he explained that he is not experienced enough himself for the role despite last month’s backing from Clive Woodward.

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Writing in his Sportsmail column, the former England and British and Irish Lions boss claimed: “The WRU really should look to bring in a heavyweight character to head up their rugby operation, regardless of whether Gatland stays or not. I would urge Wales to look at the great Sam Warburton as someone to consider.”

Warburton has now responded to Woodward’s suggestion, telling Canterbury:  “I’m heavily involved in Cardiff rugby now. Helping them with rugby matters and I love it. If I was being honest, I haven’t earned that right to do that role, I’m too inexperienced. That’s why I have taken on the Cardiff role because I do care about the game of rugby and it’s something that excites me.

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“Someone like Warren, if he wasn’t a coach, I still think he’d be very useful because he understands the landscape of Welsh rugby. Something that might have been missing from a personality trait and I heard this from someone else and he said to make an omelette you’ve got to crack some eggs. I don’t think Warren is afraid to crack a few eggs to do the best thing for Welsh rugby.

“I’ve heard what Warren’s ideas are on what needs to happen. He can’t make those calls as a head coach, he can advise but he can’t make that call but those calls I’ve heard him say, I’ve agreed with. He knows the game and the landscape very well.

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“I’m flattered by what Clive said and I respect him a lot but there is people out there more qualified with more experience that would be able to deliver in that role better than myself. I have got a lot on my plate right now, so I don’t think I’d be able to juggle the role with what I have got going on either.”

Warburton added that if Gatland isn’t to continue as head coach for the 2025 Guinness Six Nations, which starts away to France on January 31, an interim coach – rather than a permanent successor – would be best.

“It would be very difficult to find a permanent coach at this time of the year so if Warren did go, bringing in an interim coach would be the least disruptive option,” he suggested. “It’s going to come down to availability and would come with a big compensation payment to a club which could get messy so it’s the cleanest thing to do and it’s easier from a player perspective too.

“I’m not sure that would fix a whole lot. That would be a decision if Warren chose to walk away. Otherwise, not much would change. One of the assistant coaches whether it’s (Rob) Howley or (Jonathan) Humphreys or Mike Forshaw, their systems would stay the same, they wouldn’t reinvent the wheel.

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“I’ve never been on that train of thought that the Wales head coach has to be Welsh. If a Welsh coach is the best option, that would be a priority. But if there’s not a Welsh coach deemed to be fit to do it then you have to get the best person for the job.

“It’s a highly pressurised, elite role. There should be the aspirations of being a world-leading team that has a world leading coach. Saying that, there is Welsh coaches out there that could deliver that.

“Steve Tandy, he would be a good fit as a head coach and would be great to have in the system. At Harlequins, you have got Adam Jones. You have got Simon Easterby, who has lived in the Glamorgan area but coaches in Ireland – he has done well there. He played his rugby in Wales and has been the head coach of the Scarlets. There is a lot of people there that know the Welsh system.

“It’s difficult for a coach to come in and coach Wales. Having been someone that has lived in Wales, played in Wales, to know the Welsh system is a very important factor of being the coach.

“Someone that knows the Welsh game historically, the previous politics and the current landscape, someone that has that understanding would be beneficial and would lend itself to someone who has got a strong experience of coaching in Wales in the past.”

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richard davies 39 days ago

Why on earth would Gatland walk away from a job on 600k a year much better to be paid off which reports state will be for him and his team in excess of 1 million. Win or lose he still gets paid it's not his fault the last Directors of the WRU gave him a fantastic contract. He was great but now his style hasn't moved on with smaller different style players. Welsh rugby has eaten itself

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JW 4 hours ago
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Haha crap man I wouldn't know if SR has ever made a profit. ABs subsidize everything. Factors like SR clubs not paying 'for' their ABs etc, normal having a star would cost you 2 or 3x as much as a regular, but NZR covers all that in NZ. Pretty sure was the case for the other two partners too. I doubt even NZR knows the exact ratios sponsors like Sky/Adidas/AIG/Altrad/Investec give for local product.


No doubt SR used to make more money with the 3 partners, but of course it was also split 3 way. TBH I don't think its going to be much different (I think the new deal is still higher than before?). That last deal was bumper despite the comp being in decline, then SA left and the deal was probably worth even more for NZ? Can't recall how that played out I think Sky kept the agreemnt (fully). They'll be taking a big hit but it would be anything to do with the state of the game.


So when you say bleeding, you mean since around 2013/14 right? When SA'n and Aussie crowds finally stopped turning up to watch NZ smash them every week. So again, I was just stating your picture was wrong, and you've got the wrong causes, I don't disagree too much with the idea it's 'bleeding' though, id1ots were complaining about NZ sides getting a rough deal come final time for a loooong period and lots of other things that dragged the game down but on the field it just kept getting better and better. The problem is this nationalistic concept, that caught up on them (previously being the great driver for interest) and fans didn't care about the top four teams like every other sports competition in the world. They only cared about their local teams not winning.


No, SR wasnt optimal, which is what it was recommended to have just the SR Pacific comp instead. I'm not sure how much better things are now though. It needs time?


I know how I'd like to find equilibrium and it's much like what you propose. One big difference is I just don't think they need to cut SR. I would switch investment into an NPC/fully domestic scene + youth, like you, I'd just have like a much shorter SR season and I'd try and create a university scene rather than high school, that little extra age demographic matters a lot to investment/interest.


It's what the NRL can pay, and I think I heard it recently for someone in the spot light. I used it as a future figure more than anything though, the idea being these other leagues are only going to be more and more competitive, so much so they take away local talent before it can have a chance to develop. And once it goes they're unlikely to develop into the player they would have here. Not choosing a path that can compete will be a disaster imo. Thus the All Black decline.


I think don't think theres any reason your ideas can't work though, with maybe a added little flair here and there to drive some extra revenue. 20 is just a number to get a picture how many of top 60 might dissapear, it's nothing Id calculated. Think of it as an 'at any particular time' number.


In general I think people so quickly forget those that leave and all hope is placed on the next guy. Think that were talking top 4 or 5 in a position, there are a lot of positions that don't place much past the number 3. Look at Bell, theres no one he would be one of NZ top dozen hookers, numerous people would have left without getting a shot and the likes of Riccitelli or Eklund are obvious better. You've got first fives like Burke, Jordan, Falcon, Black, Plummer next year, Ioane Sopoaga, West who at any one time are going to be 3, 4, and 5 in NZ order. You've TKB, Smith, now Perenara, Weber, even Ruru is having a standout season and ALL would be better than the 3rd best local in Hotham or Christie. Now weve got last season statistical best full back leaving in Stevenson, he's joining Moorby and Rayasi, Bridge, and god knows who else who's having an awesome year that would break him into the All Blacks if it was in Super Rugby. Midfield is stacked when at home would be scratching around for guys like the Umaga-Jensen boys hoping they were fit to fill out 4 or 5th best 2nd5 and centers, when the likes of TJ Faiane, Nankiville, Seta, Aso, Fekitoa, Goodhue, Leicester, Ngani, even one of my fav Rob Thompson would be better than getting down to picks like Aumua, Ennor, McCleod, Tupea, and those that would have to come after them. We've got some of my fav loosies in Lachlan Boshier, Charlie Gamble, Whetu Douglas overseas, now Akira, never my talented players like.


I think your top 60 must have be a picture of the 36 man Crusaders squad plus a list of last years All Blacks! Obviously I've gone off track here as sure, these players leave a big whole but it's not one that NZ hasn't been able to fill in the past while maintaining quality SR sides (the periods when it was rocking), but there will be a time when loosing too many of those quality players has a much bigger impact than the already currently disillusioned SR fan can take.


Bottom line is Australia have far more talent and players that we do (statistically) and all that would need to have in the short term to fix your perceived problem with Super Rugby is trade some the best NZ players into the Aus sides. Simple, problem solved, competitive comp achieved.

cut off super rugby and stop the bleeding . put all the money back into the remaining competitions

Is too quick, many will see it as an opportunity to leave and that starts the very risky slope. You have to have a plan. Any change needs to be gradual and with a better future prospect, until then, voices like yours are only going to undermine any possible immediate success.

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