'There were question marks maybe about his toughness' - the unlikely Welsh player England targeted at the 2015 RWC
Mike Brown has shed light on how England targeted Wales skipper Sam Warburton in the 2015 Rugby World Cup. Hosts England were famously beaten by Wales at Twickenham, a defeat that would ultimately see Stuart Lancaster’s men ignominiously bow out in the pool stages of their own World Cup.
Brown, who was the main guest on the RugbyPass Offload this week, spoke about his tussle with the Welsh captain, who he admits England had specifically targeted before the game. It may surprise some that Brown and his teammates targeted the decorated Welshman because he was viewed as a soft touch.
“In the week leading up to that game, you obviously pick out guys who are talismans, really important to Wales or the team your playing against. Guys you kind of want to focus on in terms of your game plan,” recalled Brown, who was speaking with Welsh centre and podcast regular Jamie Roberts, a fellow participant in the tussle that day.
“Especially your defence. Guys you don’t want to give time and space to. And to send a message to the rest of their team, by hitting them hard and not giving them time and space. He was one of those guys, obviously being the captain.
“We had targeted him as a talisman. We wanted to get into his face. There were question marks maybe about his toughness, if that’s the right thing to say.
“Not from me. I think he’s a tough player,” noted Brown. “There were question marks whether he’d fold under pressure. A bit of physical intimidation. Nothing above the line and illegal.
“With the way I am as a player, that kind of sticks in your mind. It was a bit of scrap, a bit of push and shove.
“It didn’t start with me, this is the thing. I don’t know who started the little pushing and shoving. I saw him on the periphery of the scuffle and thought ‘I’m going to grab him here’.
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“If they see the fullback grabbing your captain, a back row, it might have a little bit of an impact on them and [so they’d] see that we were up for the game. I for one was massively up for the game. I always am against Wales. It’s a massive rivalry. They are for us and vice versa for me.
“I got a hold of him and it’s a silly bit of pushing and shoving, then Doc [Jamie Roberts] comes in, throwing his weight around, making it worse.
“It’s just part of the game and you can laugh about it afterwards. And they had the last laugh, as they went on and won the game.”
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To me TJ is clearly the best 9 in the competition right now but he's also a proven player off the bench, there's few playmaking players who can come off the bench as calm and settled as he is, Beauden can, TJ can and I doubt any of the scrumhalves in contention can, if they want to experiment with new 9s I want him on the bench ready to step in if they crumble under the pressure. The Boks put their best front row on the bench, I'd like to see us take a similar approach, the Hurricanes have been doing similar things with players like Kirifi.
30 Go to commentsROG has better chance to win a WC if he starts training and make himself eligible as a player. He won’t make the Ireland squad but I reckon he may get close with Namibia (needs to improve his Afrikaans) or Portugal. Both sides had 1000:1 odds to win the RWC in 2023 which is an improvement on ROG’s odds of winning a RWC as a coach. Unlike Top 14 teams, national teams can’t go shopping and buy the best players - you work with the available talent pool and turn them into world beaters.
2 Go to commentsthat backline nope that backline is terrible why would you have sevu Reece when he’s not even top 5 wingers in the comp why have Blackadder when there’s better players no Scott barret isn’t an automatic the guy is more of a liability than anything why have him there when you have samipeni who’s far far better
30 Go to commentsAh, good to find you Nick. Agree with everything about Cale. So much to like about his game
49 Go to commentsNot too bad. Questions at 6, lock and HB for me. The ABs will be a lot stronger once Jordan and Roigard return. Also, work needs to be made to secure Frizzell back for next season and maybe also Mo’unga; they’re just wasting time playing in japan
30 Go to commentsOn the title, i wonder for many of those people it is a case something like a belief in working smarter, not harder?
1 Go to commentsForget Sotutu. One of those whose top level is Super Rugby. Id take a punt on Wallace Sititi Finau ahead of Glass body Blackadder.
30 Go to commentsI’m a pensioner so I've been around a bit. My opinion of SBW is he is an elite athlete and a great New Zealander and roll model. He has been to the top and knows what he's talking about. To all the negative comments regarding SBW the typical New Zealand way, cut that tall poppy down.
17 Go to commentsI'm not listening to a guy moralise over others when this is the guy who walked out mid season on Canterbury RLFC when he had a contract with them, what a hypocrite. Those praising him are a joke.
17 Go to commentsI’d put Finau at 6 instead of Blackadder but that’s the only change I’d make. Can’t wait to see who Razor picks.
30 Go to commentsTamati Williams, Codie Taylor, and Same Cane? Not sure about Hoskins Sotutu at test level. Wasn’t that impressive last season. Need a balance between experience and talent/youth.
30 Go to commentsInteresting insight. Fantastic athlete, and a genuine human being.
17 Go to commentsThey played at night in Suva last weekend and it’s an afternoon game forecast for 19 degrees in Canberra this weekend. Heat change is a non issue.
1 Go to commentsWishing Rosie a speedy recovery
1 Go to commentsObscene that SA haven’t been knocking
1 Go to commentsChances of Blackadder being injured seem too high to give him serious consideration. ABs loosie combination finally looked good with 2 committed to tackling and clearing rucks in the centre and Ardie roaming. Hoskins/Ardie together would force one of them into where they don’t excel and don’t get to use their talent, or require a change in tactics. If we continue to evolve last years systems I would take Papali’i and Finau at 6 and 7 (conceding that Blackadder will be injured) and Ardie at 8.
30 Go to commentsArdie’s preferred position 7? Where do they get these writers from? I've no idea where he's playing in Japan, but the previous two seasons he wore the 7 jersey exactly twice.
17 Go to commentsNot good to hear Ulster described as “financially troubled”. Did not think it was getting to that level. I would hope the Irish system of spreading players of talent away from Leinster would kick in now. Better to have a Leinster fringe player with Ulster or Connacht, then getting only a few games a season in Dublin. 10, for example, would seem to be a case for spreading the talent. I would not be at all adverse to a SA man coming in as head coach/DR. Ludeke is worth trying. Certainly got a long and impressive coaching career at this level…..149 games in SR, then Japan, 30 years experience. And Ulster’s ledger of successful SA coaches and players is on the positive side. Is talk of Ruan Pienaar interested in coming back as a coach…..could be a good combination with Ludeke. And Pienaar and family would have no settling in to do, one would judge. He loved life in Ulster when there, by all reports.
1 Go to commentsSome thoughts to consider here, Sam. Thanks
2 Go to commentsI think he is right, SBW is respected in RSA. The guy who never stood up is a worm. Sseems lots of NZ SBW hate, you do the crime do the time.
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