Fans fear the Saracens controversy will damage Eddie Jones' England
After Saracens were docked 35 points and fined £5.36million by Premiership Rugby for breaching the salary cap regulations, questions are being raised about how this will affect the England national team.
The reigning Gallagher Premiership and Champions Cup winners dropped to 12th in the league table on -26 points, but have been reinstated to fourth place after they said they will be appealing the punishment.
With nine of England’s World Cup final squad coming from Saracens, they make up the core of Eddie Jones’ side. They may not be the most popular side across Europe, but it is hard to deny the correlation between Saracens’ success in recent years and England’s.
The London outfit have won three of the last four Champions Cups, only failing in 2018, which happened to be a disappointing year for them by their standards. That was also England’s poorest year since 2015, as they won the Grand Slam and a Six Nations title in the two seasons prior to 2018 and reached the RWC final this year.
Many people on social media have pondered what ramifications the PRL sanctions might have on England. It is unclear what the true consequences of the fine and points deduction will be if the appeal is unsuccessful, but this is an unprecedented punishment.
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Should the club be relegated, there will likely be an enormous exodus from Allianz Park. But that may still be the case even if they avoid the drop as they would need to cover costs.
With a contingent of the England team potentially scattering across the country to other clubs, it would undoubtedly improve the competitiveness of the Premiership which may, in turn, benefit the national side.
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Equally, it will mean that the core of the England squad are no longer playing alongside each other week on week in the biggest games club rugby has to offer. What is worse is that some players may be lured by the wealthy French clubs, meaning they could no longer play for England.
As it stands, fears over their futures, combined with the pressure to avoid relegation, could affect form for their country in the 2020 Six Nations. Another potentially damaging aspect of this ordeal is what will happen to the Saracens academy, which has developed some world-class players over the years.
If that is damaged by these events, the England team loses a rich source of talent, which many fans seem all too aware of. This is what has been said:
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Massive. The spine of the England squad is Saracen.
— ? (@LackOfToast) November 5, 2019
Saracens players approach, skill training, fitness, has been crucial to the success of England. I wonder how that will effect the national side long term.
— Tim Bastable (@TimBastable) November 5, 2019
For far too long Saracens have been flouting the salary cap rules – glad to see them finally punished. Not sure how I feel about the potential effect on the England setup though. Come on @Harlequins let’s sign some England players
— ????? ? (@chamonalisa) November 5, 2019
Sure, the Saracens team is 58% home grown. The highest percentage in the league since 2015.
There are loads of other Saracens academy players playing in other clubs.
Saracens are being punished for producing world class players.
The real loser will be England rugby here.
— Thomas Skinner (@Squeaky_Tombola) November 5, 2019
You could say Saracens powered England's rise over the last few years. Could have huge implications for England too.
— Huw (@roblixh) November 5, 2019
Potentially a problem for team England. If Saracens are forced to move a couple on, could some fringe national team players be tempted to France.
— Liam Thomas ??????? (@JelliesOriginal) November 5, 2019
I don't know if you're an England rugby fan but if the Saracens England player supply dries up due to less/no investment by Wray then don't wonder where that hole in your foot came from.
This is an extraordinarily stupid fine from an England rugby POV.
— Thomas Skinner (@Squeaky_Tombola) November 5, 2019
I do feel for the Saracens fans, they don’t deserve this, but as a chiefs follower, I do feel the decision is fair.
Hopefully, this will have minimal effect on England Rugby, but I know that this standpoint is naive.
— Kevin “Safety Nause” Westlake (@WestlakeKevin) November 5, 2019
If Saracens used these mechanisms to simply hoover up everyone else's best academy players then I'd throw them out of the league myself. But they don't do that, they produce world class England players like no other club in the league can.
No Saracens. No RWC final. That simple
— Thomas Skinner (@Squeaky_Tombola) November 5, 2019
This decision by Premiership Rugby has been welcomed by many fans across Europe, and should Saracens be found guilty there are steps that must be taken to ensure the salary cap regulations are adhered to.
However, while fans are generally happy with this decision, many have pointed out that it is naive not to expect some permutations for the England team.
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It’ll be very interesting to see how Razor’s AB’s handle the new England rush D. It’s basically the Bok recipe they copied, so if England goes well then we know most likely the Boks will go well too. If England cops a hiding then we’ll have to study and adapt.
4 Go to commentsTypical trait of an australian is to moan. Goes well with there lack of humbleness as evident by the Reds bench on the weekend.
2 Go to commentsSBW’s bro’town commentary and lazy default to hyperbole should be ignored, a technical analyst he is not. Sotutu is a good player when games get goosey loosey, high skill set that fans of Zinzan recall with starry eyes. But you need power and mongrel at no8 in the Test arena and Sotutu gets found wanting there, much like Akira Ioane. No8’s like Zinzan and Ardie have bucketloads of mongrel and power and tenacity which allow the skill sets to flourish.
11 Go to commentsAn inside pass to attacker on the angle can make a drift defence look lead footed. Relies on fleet footed forward/s to get across from the breakdown. An argument for the smaller faster 7 perhaps?
4 Go to commentsSensational tackle. The reds one was late and rightly penalised. The other two were simultaneous with the pass. If nitpicking TMOs can’t find fault there clearly isn’t any.
2 Go to commentsBrumbies fully deserved their win on the back of their physicality and desire to control the ball. Xavier Numia, Asafo Aumua and Tyrel Lomax should be the ABs starting front row when we start our test schedule. They have “come of age” and have bested all they have faced as well as been dominant with ball in hand in making the gainline. With De Groot, Tamaiti Williams and Fletcher Newell backed up by Taukei'aho and Cody Taylor there's not an international front row that can trouble us. Can't wait to face the Boks over there, won't be no one point game this time.
5 Go to commentsKinda strange that he wasn’t with a premiership team or a higher level of rugby? Start playing late or something? With that kind of size and athleticism you’d think someone would have picked him up?
2 Go to commentsShows how much attitude matters. Last week the Brumbies got done, this week they dominated the tournament leaders, who were likely thinking they could cruise to victory.
5 Go to commentsA Turtle has more pace and leg drive than Owen Franks, so it’s a good thing he only had to run 90 metres for that try.
2 Go to commentsOh Tamati Tua was in the vastly over-rated Leon MacDonalds Blues system? Well, no wonder he was wasted, much like Emoni Narawa and Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens under MacDonald. now look at them. Good thing Tua isn’t eligible, the Aussies latch on to any player who isn’t tied down.
5 Go to commentsMark Telea is a lot of things, but a defensive juggernaut has never been one of them. There will be far bigger tests in that regard for the youngster.
11 Go to commentsLove and respect to Fiji but not a chance outside of 7s
4 Go to commentsGood summation Ned. Agree the Canes were out-muscled for once (except at the scrum!) by a focused Brumbies outfit. Tua deserves consideration for higher honors after the way he humbled Jordie and the Canes defense. Thankfully, his lack of eligibility for Oz keeps him from Joe’s plans. While I also agree the injuries affected the Canes performance, some players seemed to lack focus and intensity for this match. Perhaps after the Blues demolished the Brumbies, they thought it was going to be easy? A good reminder that any slip up in preparation can have a big affect on the result. Brumbies deserved that win.
5 Go to commentsKarl Dixon should never have been appointed this fixture, absolute disgrace, He’s not much of a referee anyway, didn't have the balls to send his mate care off
5 Go to commentsBrilliant article! Harry of 8/9
4 Go to comments‘UK athletes' have been in the NFL from the start.
2 Go to commentsIt’s going to be Scott Barrett. He’s the coaches mate and captain of a previously elite team. Ardie a great option but scooter has worked with the coach and Ardie still as big a leader as needed.
23 Go to commentsI commend Colin Scotts bio All Balls. He was the first Aussie to make it to NFL. But he was poached and did a full apprenticeship at the University of Hawaii. He was 130kgs surfed played 1st grade cricket etc. big guy by normal but not NFL standards and a top athlete. Even then the nfl were picking up Tongans and Samoans for their natural size and explosive power. They want explosive power not cardio from the big boys so a guy like Taniela Tupou would have been good if picked up young enough. He has fast twitch and they’d bulk the little lad up and give him something to do. soccer teams set up academies and look for Over Sara’s talent eg Messi was at Barcelona since a teenager and harry kewell went to Leeds as a teenager like 16 or something.
11 Go to commentsThe article alludes to the fact that this isn’t about picking a captain. But picking a great captain. So who would make for a great All Black captain - not just an obvious or safe shoo-in? I’m not sure Ardie’s the guy and Barret doesn’t stand out either.
23 Go to commentsI guess we may all agree on the fact, that the ABs and Boks are the two in contest for No 1 in rugby history (the triple-A sort of) …. the Wallabies, England and France are the next tier, with Ireland being the new kid in town (AA) …. in my view it makes little sense creating imaginary competitions (unless you have too much time to waste)
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