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Beattie gives word of caution to Townsend doubters amid growing unrest

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Scotland head coach Gregor Townsend/ PA

Johnnie Beattie has told Gregor Townsend’s doubters to be careful what they wish for as he stressed that Scotland’s current status within the world game should not be taken for granted.

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In the wake of Sunday’s demoralising 32-18 defeat by Ireland, there has been fresh debate among supporters and pundits about the future of the long-serving head coach, who is contracted until the end of next year’s Six Nations.

The Scots finished in the bottom two in eight of the 11 campaigns prior to Townsend’s appointment in 2017 and have finished third or fourth in six of the seven championships under the current head coach, who has also presided over two World Cup pool-stage exits.

While some feel Townsend has taken Scotland as far as he can over his near-eight-year reign, former back-rower Beattie – who won 38 caps between 2006 and 2015 – believes the 51-year-old deserves more appreciation for elevating the team to a level where they can even be spoken of as potential title contenders rather than wooden spoon fodder.

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“I think people have short memories and I’m not sure if people remember my generation, maybe the 5-10 years that I played for Scotland and what we produced,” Beattie told the BBC’s Scotland Rugby Podcast.

“We were utterly rubbish. We won nothing. I can laugh now looking back but it must have been so tedious for people to come to Murrayfield and watch us.

“What we’ve had under Gregor has been fun rugby. It hasn’t always been winning rugby but it’s entertaining.

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“We score tries, we’re more creative than we’ve ever been, we’ve beaten France, we’ve beaten England, we’ve beaten Australia, we’ve beaten Wales away from home; things that my side never did.

“What would people rather have? Who would you rather have as a Scottish rugby public, Steve Borthwick? Would you rather have that type of rugby? Would you rather have Warren Gatland and what he’s produced with Wales?

“I think (Townsend’s) win percentage is better than most other Scottish coaches historically, so people have incredibly short memories.

“I know the weekend was horrible to watch. But Gregor actually doesn’t have a big player pool, doesn’t have a bunch of physical animals. We’ll always be on an uphill battle with the numbers we have when we’re playing against South Africa, England.

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“We have a really shallow pool of talent and I think actually he’s gotten a lot out of the players that we have over the past five, six, seven seasons. So look, (Sunday) was disappointing but also be careful what you wish for.”

Gatland left the Wales hotseat this week after 14 straight Test defeats and Glasgow coach Franco Smith, who has also been touted as a future Scotland head coach, has been linked with the vacancy.

Beattie is keen to see the South African remain within Scottish Rugby’s system.

“It’d be a shame to see him head down to Wales,” said the 39-year-old. “If you took Gatland and put him now in the Scotland hotseat, I think Scotland would be considerably worse.

“Wales are in dire straits, they need a change absolutely. I’m really intrigued to see who comes in there.

“I don’t want it to be Franco Smith. I love the success that Glasgow have had, the URC win, the brand of rugby they’ve played and I hope Scottish Rugby make a massive effort to retain him, to protect what has happened at Warriors over the past two, three seasons.”

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RedWarrior 35 days ago

Ireland’s stats are up significantly on November and are comparable to the average of last years six nations (except in scoring efficiency in the ‘22).

If you look at the sustained attack and also the kicking by Prendergast you would wonder if any 6N team (or even further afield) could have lived with that opening against Scotland.

Scotland weather the storm and get out of there only 7 down and who knows. But they lose Russell and Graham.

Townsend has taken Scotland to new heights. If Scotland win remaining matches they are top 2. There is also the need to be top #6 by year end to ensure a pool seeding in the RWC befitting them. There is also the Nations Cup next year when Scotland will have England and France at home.

Scotland are up against the best Irish era ever, and a Golden French team. Keep improving, don’t panic over one result.


who has also presided over two World Cup pool-stage exits.

Scotland were ranked #9 (their 2019) ranking for the 2023 RWC where they were at that time #5. They were in a pool with SA and Ireland who were both amongst favourites for title. SA and Ireland played well against Scotland. What can they do? Thye draw eliminated them.

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JW 12 minutes ago
'France may leave top players at home but will still be serious contenders in New Zealand'

You can translate here https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=websites


Thanks for the link, but I can read it clearly and it says the… Top 14 features almost twice as many matches as Super Rugby Pacific, but is two and a half times longer.


This article appears to be the basis of; https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/the-stats-show-the-club-v-country-wounds-may-never-heal/ which is the one that I referred to which refutes your perception.


Were they both say..

If we take the dominant clubs in each major championship, we see that Stade Toulousain, author of the Top 14 – Champions Cup double, only has seven players above 1000 minutes, far from the average previously cited.


Furthermore, none of these players are full-time starters for the French national team: Toulouse are ahead of the competition at this level, and are far more effective than their domestic rivals in protecting their premium players.

The premium players being treated best is clearly apparent. Is you’re player management as good as New Zealands, of course not. NZ players will obviously be more fresh, but if we take the total of each at the end of their seasons, theres not going to be much difference as I’ve said, LNR are already treating their players much better.


I’m sorry, but as I alluded to, you are a fan rather than a researcher, your picture that you think has been painted is wrong. Your linked article says everything I did above.


So while that article paints the French in a well rested light, however it’s not actually including EPCR, which in respect to Toulouse, is where they’ve put their stars minutes into. So I think it’s time to do your own research! Pick and player and lets see, one of each camp? An important player you think has played a lot, and an example of a fresh young lad. Then were can look to their minutes as see how close or far they are to examples of players who are going to play in July.


Trust me, I have already done this research (but wouldn’t mind look at examples from this year to see if it’s still the case/same as previous years).

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