The 'damaging' loose forwards staking their All Blacks claim
A question familiar to All Blacks fans in the Ian Foster era is that of the starting loose forward trio, balancing the explosive power game that some players possess with the needs of the lineout and set-piece game and everything in between has proven a challenge that is yet to be fully resolved with the World Cup just six months away.
In 2022, Shannon Frizzel and Scott Barrett shared the bulk of minutes at No 6, while Dalton Papali’i made himself at home in the No 7 after an injury to captain Sam Cane towards the tail end of the international season. Luke Jacobson and Akira Ioane were further squad members while 2023 Highlanders captain Billy Harmon was brought into the camp later as injury cover.
The common denominator was Ardie Savea, the No 8 was ferociously dominant off the back of the scrum and earned himself the All Blacks player of the year. Savea’s consistency and impact left little time for apparent second choice No 8 Hoskins Sotutu, who struggled to find his feet in limited minutes.
Savea may lack some size compared to rival No 8’s but his physicality is unquestionably worthy of international No 8 status. His height however does add an extra consideration when selecting the No 6, while Savea is still a solid option in the lineouts, a little extra height in another jumping option is preferable to maintain the All Blacks’ high standards at set piece.
That’s where Barrett, a lock, had the upper hand over his blindside flanker peers. That being said, former Hurricane loose forward Gordon Simpson went in a different direction when selecting his preferred starting loose forward trio for the All Blacks’ first international Test of the year.
“Blackadder would obviously start at six, I think he’s been (great),” Simpson told SENZ’s Hurricane Valley.
“I’d put obviously Ardie at eight, (but) the seven … I mean Papali’i’s obviously the incumbent I think at the moment (and then there is) Sam Cane.
“It’s a tough one within those two because do you take the captaincy back to Sam Cane and put him in there and then bring Dalton off sort of as a bench player because he can probably play open and blind?
“I’d probably put Cane in there just because of experience and because of his captaincy and his leadership within the team.
“They’d be the three at the moment, but you could easily change Papali’i over for Cane and sort of have those other two with him.
“At the moment that’s where I’d see it.”
Ethan Blackadder missed the 2022 international season due to a dislocated shoulder, although has picked up right where he left off and could reprise his starting role with the All Blacks after playing in both the No 6 and No 7 jerseys in 2021. As Simpson points out, Blackadder isn’t the only one with that versatility, Dalton Papali’i also featured at both blind and openside in 2022 and provides the impact player role in Simpson’s theoretical team.
While Savea’s selection is a given for many Kiwi fans, Simpson admits Blues youngster Hoskins Sotutu doesn’t make that No 8 selection so easy after the form he’s opened the 2023 Super Rugby Pacific season with.
“Hoskins Sotutu is very close,” he added.
“It’s a toughie between him and Ardie at the moment, I think they’re both playing really well and both quite damaging at the moment.
“It’s still early days but there are certainly guys that are holding their hand up at the moment.”
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1 Go to commentsWasnt late. Ref 2 assistants andTMO all saw it so who are you to say it was?
4 Go to commentsAre the Brumbies playing the Blues twice in a row?
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3 Go to comments🤦♂️🤣 who cares who’s the best . All I know is the All Blacks have the star coach but have few star players now …
30 Go to commentsJe suis sûr que Farrell est impatient de jouer avec Lopez et Machenaud et d’être entraîné par Collazo… 🤭
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11 Go to commentsEver so often you all post a Danny Care story that isn’t the announcement that he has finally re-signed for one more, victory tour season at Quins and I’m just like, “well you fooled me again!” My absolute favorite player ever, we need to make his final year at the Stoop (and Twickers) official already. I know he supposedly snubbed France but I won’t feel better until he signs.
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4 Go to commentsChristian Lio -Willies 2 try perfomance was a standout. As was captain Scott Barrett. Up front was where the boys won it.They are a great team and players. Fantastic Crusaders , you can keep going.
3 Go to commentsI don't know how the locals feel about that? I guess if you call yourselves the Worcester Wasps that might be appease. But really we need more teams in the Premiership in my view so they are not padding it out as they are at the moment. It might curtail so many players going abroad as well
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30 Go to commentsShould've done this years ago. Change Saturday kick off times to around 11am. Up and off and back home before 3pm, limit travel time too. Allows players to actually do something else with their Saturday that's family oriented or being rugby fans they could ‘watch’ pro rugby. Increases crowds etc. How can anyone that enjoys grassroots and pro rugby have to choose between the two on Saturdays?
9 Go to commentsI bet he inspired those supporters just as much.
1 Go to commentsBen Smith Springboks living rent free in his head 😊😂
67 Go to commentsGood to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
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