Fans divided over 'beyond ridiculous' red card for accidental off the ball collision
A decision to red card Leicester Tigers centre Guy Porter for what appeared to be an accidental collision with Clermont’s Fritz Lee has divided fans.
The incident happened off the ball, when the advancing Porter appeared to jog into Lee who was waiting for a ball in a Clermont attacking play in the 60th minute.
Georgian referee Nika Amashukeli saw fit to send it for TMO review and after some deliberation, decided it warranted a red card.
“I give him the benefit of the doubt. I think it is accidental,” said Lawrence Dallaglio after the game. “He’s not necessarily looking but it was excellently explained by the TMO and the referee. Even if it’s accidental, it’s still a red card. You’ve got a duty of care. You can’t just run into a player and hit him in the head. I think anyone will have any complaints about that.
Co-host Ugo Monye likened it to Charlie Ewels red card during the Guinness Six Nations. “It’s very similar to Charlie Ewels and James Ryan. That lead runner trying to check. As you can see his eyes are clearly focused on the ball, which makes it a reckless tackle or attempted tackle, as he’s then collided his head with the opposition.”
"Even if it's accidental, it's still a red card. You've got a duty of care."
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Yet why the panel were in agreement with the call, there were some dissenting opinions on social.
EK Rugby Analysis observed: “Red card. Have a bit of sympathy for Porter there as I don’t think he has ‘a clear line of sight’ as the officials say – he’s looking at the passer at all times. Would have leaned towards a yellow.”
Red card.
Have a bit of sympathy for Porter there as I don't think he has 'a clear line of sight' as the officials say – he's looking at the passer at all times.
Would have leaned towards a yellow.
— EK Rugby Analysis (@ek_rugby) April 10, 2022
Mana Rugby wrote: “I really don’t like that decision, it was purely an accident. I understand the current laws but come on – is that really worthy of a red? If rugby continues to give red cards for incidents such as this which are totally accidental, I think it will seriously turn fans off the sport. There needs to be common sense applied to refereeing.”
I really don’t like that decision, it was purely an accident.
I understand the current laws but come on – is that really worthy of a red?
— Mana Rugby (@mana_rugby) April 10, 2022
Others branded it a ‘rugby incident’. “That’s ridiculous! Clearly accidental, never a red! Rugby incident”.
That's ridiculous! Clearly accidental, never a red! Rugby incident #ASMvLEI
— AdamStr (@ajstr17) April 10, 2022
That red card is beyond ridiculous #ASMvLEI
— David Bailey (@DavidBailey68) April 10, 2022
Others defended the call: “Porter runs into him … takes a player out off the ball. Foul play,” wrote Kenneth Sharp. “Head on head with no mitigation. Red. Anyone arguing differently has their own entertainment more at heart than the player’s welfare. Players MUST stop going in upright.”
Porter runs into him … takes a player out off the ball. Foul play. Head on head with no mitigation. Red. Anyone arguing differently has their own entertainment more at heart than the player's welfare. Players MUST stop going in upright.
— Kenneth Sharp (@KenSharp) April 10, 2022
Leicester Tigers boss Steve Borthwick played down the incident, insisting Porter had no intention to harm Lee.
“I didn’t look at it closely because I was more interested in what we needed to do, and what changes I needed to make,” said Borthwick. “I’ll have a good look at it. Guy will be very disappointed with it.
“He has a fantastic disciplinary record and is a real honest player. We don’t want any players getting hurt. That’s not why we play rugby. We just want to play good rugby.”
A disciplinary panel with decide Porter’s fate this week.
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Sorry Morgan you must have been the “go to for a quote” ex player this week. Its rnd 6 and there is plenty of time to cement a starting 15 and finishing 8 so I have no such concerns.
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2 Go to commentsThe current AB coaching team is basically the Crusaders so it smacks of wanting their familiar leaders around. This is not a good look for the future of the ABs or the younger players in Super working their way up the player ladder. Razor is touted as innovative, forward looking but his early moves look like insecurity and insular, provincial thinking. He is the AB's coach not the Golden Oldies.
10 Go to commentsSimple reason for wanting him back. Robertson wants him as captain. Otherwise he wouldn’t be bothering chasing him. Not enough reason to come back just to mentor.
10 Go to commentsI had not considered this topic like this at all, brilliant read. I had been looking at his record at the Waratahs and thought it odd the Crusaders appointed him, then couple that with all that experience and talent departing and boom. They’ve got some great talent developing though, and in all honesty I don’t think anyone would be over confident taking them on in a playoff match, no matter how poor the first half of their season was. I think they can pull a game out of their ass when it counts.
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2 Go to commentsIf he wants to come back then he should. He will be a major asset to the younger locks and could easily be played as an impact player off the bench coming on in the last 30. He is fit, strong and capable and has all the experience to make up for any loss in physical prowess. He could also be brought back with a view to coaching within the structures one day. Duane Vermeulen played until he was 37 or 38. He is now a roaming coach within the South African coaching structures. He was valuable in the last world cup and has been a major influence on Jasper Wiese and other young players which has helped and accelerated their development and growth. Whitelock could do the exact same thing for NZ
10 Go to commentsBrett Excellent words… finally someone (other than DC) has noted that Hanigan is very hard and very good at doing what Backrow should do… his performance via the Drua sauna was quite daunting for those on the other side… very high tackle count… carries with good end result… constant threat to make a good 20-25 meters with those long legs… providing his mass effectively to crunching the Drua pack… Finally he is returning to quality form… way to much injury time over the last 2 years… smart-strong-competent in his skills… caught every lineout throw aimed at him and delivered clean pass to whoever was down below… and he worked hard for the whole 80 minutes… Ned has to be in the top 5 for backrow honors… He knows what is required as he has been there before…
20 Go to commentsI think Sam Whitelock should not touch a return with a bargepole. He went out on a high, playing in the RWC Final. He would be coming back into a team that will be weaker than last years, and might even be struggling to win games, especially against the Boks. Stay in France, enjoy another year with Pau, playing alongside his brother.
10 Go to commentsRyan Coxon has been very impressive considering he was signed by WF as injury cover whilst Uru has been a standout for QR, surprised neither of those mentioned
2 Go to commentsIt’s the massive value he brings with regard team culture/values, preparation, etc. Can’t buy that. I’m hoping to see the young locks get their chance in the big games though.
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10 Go to commentsHis value is stabilizing the ship 20 - 40 minutes out from the final whistle plus his valuable experience to the underlings coming through.
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