Colin Slade: 'No one gives up the All Blacks easily'
Fans and rugby media in New Zealand should respect Aaron Cruden and Steven Luatua’s decisions head overseas despite the lure of the All Blacks jersey, says a player who knows what it’s like to make that choice.
Colin Slade joined Dan Carter, Ma’a Nonu and Conrad Smith in heading to France after the 2015 World Cup. But while the veterans were seeing out their playing years with New Zealand’s good wishes after calling time on hugely successful international careers, Slade – then just 27 and already a double World Cup winner – was heading into self-imposed exile at newly-promoted Top 14 side Pau, in the shadow of the Pyrenees in the southwest of the country.
Many fans expressed surprise at his decision. Similar shock resurfaced after news broke of 28-year-old Cruden’s move to Top 14 side Montpellier, and 25-year-old Luatua’s decision to join Bristol in September. Both were likely to have been in All Blacks coach Steve Hansen’s provisional thinking for a seat on the flight to Japan in 2019.
Hansen had strongly urged Cruden to re-sign with New Zealand – and talked about his “disappointment” that future Bristol coach Pat Lam had “tapped on [Luatua’s] shoulder.” He said of Lam: “If you’re an ex-New Zealander you should be a bit mindful about players’ careers. But when they decide to go you’ve got to support them.”
Slade, however, says he understood the thinking that goes into making a big move north and abandoning the prospect of playing for the All Blacks.
“There is no perfect answer,” he says. “Every player has to make their decision. I know some players cop some flak for ‘turning their back on the jersey’, but the reality is we’re the ones who have to live with our decision.
“It’s your career and your life. Your New Zealand career is one part of your life. Your rugby career is another. But there’s a bigger picture, too. If you play 10 years of professional rugby, you’ve done well. Then you’ve just got to worry about the next 50 or 60 years.
“You’re obviously concerned about the perception that you may be leaving for the wrong reasons. Ultimately, people just need to respect that decision.
“Critics may say ‘he’s just taking the money’ – but whoever has this decision to make has to weigh up a lot of factors. It’s not a simple choice. There are so many things to consider; ultimately only an individual player can come to a decision that works for them and their situation.
“It’s hard for people to understand that. You have to ask yourself if you want to leave New Zealand and give up the All Blacks – and that’s a really hard decision. But you have to put things in perspective and weigh up all the factors in your life at that stage.
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“I was lucky enough to go to two World Cups. I’m proud of what I’ve achieved and happy with what I’ve achieved. Sure, I would have liked more, but the reality is that the window of professional rugby is only so big – and we’ve got the rest of our lives to live.
“We’re rugby players; we’re in the public eye and everyone has an opinion. That comes with the territory. I think fans would love players to stay in New Zealand, but I hope they respect that, sometimes, a player needs something different and makes a decision like I did.”
Slade said that he had spoken to Ben Smith while the fullback was mulling his options, which included an offer from Slade’s current club. “I talked to Ben. Looking in from the outside, it’s easy to understand his situation. Ben worked through his process. He talked to a lot of people and made his decision. I would have loved him to come, but I respect his decision.”
He said that he, too, had sought advice before deciding to accept Pau’s offer. “I called quite a few people who had come over [to France]. They were great – no one tried to force me into a decision. Everyone who comes here respects the process and respects that it was my decision to make. I phoned a few guys: Corey Flynn was here at the time, Ali Williams, as well.
“I talked to other players, too, and coaches at Crusaders. No one person convinced me either way. It was a cumulative thing: to make a decision, to make a change and take a gamble on something new and different. But the more questions you ask the less risk there is.
“If things were more guaranteed, I may have made a different decision – but nothing’s guaranteed in rugby. You’re always just an injury away from somebody taking your spot. That’s the reality. I’ve had my fair share of injuries – and I couldn’t pass up the opportunity when it came along.
“Speaking to other guys who have moved over, everyone loves coming over and trying something different, especially in France. It’s something fresh, a new challenge. It’s hard to compare because it is so different, but it’s not just the rugby, there’s a lifestyle component, too. It’s an awesome opportunity.”
Despite all the advice and support, he admitted he was initially nervous: “I lost a lot of sleep over it, asking if I was coming over too young. But, the more we thought about it, it seemed the more we were ready for it. It became easier the longer I thought about it.
“It’s a scary thing to sign a contract to play overseas – you don’t know how things will work out. You have moments where you wonder whether you should have stayed in New Zealand, but it’s a fantastic part of the world here.
Slade’s Pau is an ambitious club on the up. They currently occupy one of the Top 14 play-off places, which comes with automatic entry into next season’s European Champions Cup. And they face Grenoble at the weekend as they look to build on a six-match winning run during which they have claimed some notable scalps, including Toulouse, Montpellier, and Clermont. Their last defeat in the French top flight was in November.
Slade said: “A lot of hard work has gone in and it is starting to pay off. We’ve talked about how we can improve and we’re starting to see results.”
But he refused to get carried away. “It’s all pretty tight. There are a few teams in a similar position. But we’ve got a few more winnable games coming up, so we’re looking to continue this run. There’s still a lot of rugby to play – and we’re aware things can change fast.”
His contract is up at the end of the 2017/18 season, and he said that early talks were under way on a new deal. “We’ve had a few discussions here and there. At the moment, I’m happy at Pau. There’s a pretty good culture here, and a few Kiwis, too, which makes it easier.
“It was the decision I made and it’s one that I haven’t regretted. It was something that we committed to – and once we’d made that decision, we started looking forward to it. Nothing’s changed. We’re still very happy here.”
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It’s impressive that we can see huge stadiums with attendance in the 40 000 to 50 000 region. It shows how popular this competition is becoming. What is even more impressive is the massive growth in broadcast viewership. The URC is one of the two best leagues in the World, the other being the Top14.
6 Go to commentsChristie is not Sottish, like the majority of the Scotland team.
2 Go to commentsHold the phone, decline over-rated. Is it a one game, dead cat bounce or the real thing? Has the Penney dropped? Stay tuned.
44 Go to commentsTotally deserved win for the Crusaders Far smarter than the Chiefs who seem to be avoiding the basics when it matters Hotham showed them what was missing and Hannah seems a real find - a tad light but that can be fixed over time
8 Go to commentsGreat insight into the performance culture with Sarries and I predict Christie will be a fixture in the Scotland team now for some time to come. However, he is slightly missing his own point around Scotland “being soft” when he cites physicality examples in defence of that slight. The issue is much closer to the example he referenced around feeling off before a game but being told “it doesn’t matter, you can still play well” by Farrell. Until Scotland can get their psyche in that square, they will carry on folding under extreme pressure…
2 Go to comments> We are having to adapt, evolve and innovate more than when we were in Super Rugby where there was only really one style that everybody had to play to gain the most success. Have = able to? Interesting what that one style might be? I thought SA sides still had bad tours now, or at least bad schedule, months away? Those extra few hours flights have to be a killer though, no surprise to see their sides doing so badly at the start of the season each year. I wouldn’t enjoy that unfairness as a supporter.
6 Go to commentsThe problem for NZ, and Aus, is they ripped up the SR model and lost a massive chunk of revenue that hasn’t been replaced. Don’t forget SA clubs went North because they were left with no choice, Argy unceremoniously binned and Japan cast adrift. Now SR wasn’t perfect, far from it, but they’ve jumped into something without an effective plan, so far, to replace what they’ve lost. The biggest revenue potential now lies in Japan but it won’t be easy or quick to unlock, they are incredibly insular in culture as a nation. In the meantime, there is a serious time bomb sitting under SH rugby and if it happens then the current financial challenges will look like a picnic. IF the Boks follow their provincial teams and head north then it’s revenue meltdown. Not guaranteed to happen but the status quo is a very odd hybrid, with the Boks pointing one way and the clubs pointing the other way. And for as long as that remains then the threat is real.
44 Go to commentsI think Etene has had some good tuition, likely while at the Warriors to be a professional that helped his rugby jump, but he was certainly thrown in the deep end way too early. Should have arguably 20 less SR caps, and therefor a way better record that he does at his age, but his development would have been fast tracked by the need to satiate his signing away from league. Again, credit to him and others that he has done it so well. Easy to fall over under that pressure in the big leagues like that but he kept at it when I myself wasn’t sure he was good enough.
1 Go to commentsAwesome story. I wonder what a bigger American (SA) scene might have mean for Brex.
1 Go to comments“Johnny McNicholl and the Crusaders” save a Penney. Who has been in camp this week and showed them how to play?
8 Go to commentsSo, reports of the Crusaders’ demise / terminal decline are perhaps just - slightly - premature/exaggerated…? 🤔 Will we see a deep-dive into that by the estimable Rugbypass scribes, and maybe one or two mea culpas? Thought not.
8 Go to comments1. The Chiefs are rudderless without DMac, which enhances his AB chances 2. Chiefs pack are powderpuffs. The hard men arent there anymore 3. They had their golden title chance last yr and wont threaten this yr. Gone in second round of playoffs.
8 Go to commentsHonestly, why did you have to publish such a foolish article the day they play us? 😂
44 Go to comments> They are not standalone entities. They are linked to an amateur association which holds the FFR licence that allows the professional side to compete in the league. That’s a great rule. This looks like the chicken or egg professional scenario. How long is it going to be before the club can break even (if that is even a thing in French rugby)? If the locals aren’t into well it would be good to se them drop to amateur level (is it that far?). Hope they can reset from this level and be more practical, there will be a time when they can rebuild (if France has there setup right).
1 Go to commentsWhat about changing the ball? To something heavier and more pointed that bounces unpredictably. Not this almost round football used these days.
35 Go to commentsThis is the problem with conservative mindsets and phycology, and homogenous sports, everybody wants to be the same, use the i-win template. Athlete wise everyone has to have muscles and work at the gym to make themselves more likely to hold on that one tackle. Do those players even wonder if they are now more likely to be tackled by that player as a result of there “work”? Really though, too many questions, Jake. Is it better Jake? Yes, because you still have that rugby of ole that you talk about. Is it at the highest International level anymore? No, but you go to your club or checkout your representative side and still engage with that ‘beautiful game’. Could you also have a bit of that at the top if coaches encouraged there team to play and incentivized players like Damian McKenzie and Ange Capuozzo? Of course we could. Sadly Rugby doesn’t, or didn’t, really know what direction to go when professionalism came. Things like the state of northern pitches didn’t help. Over the last two or three decades I feel like I’ve been fortunate to have all that Jake wants. There was International quality Super Rugby to adore, then the next level below I could watch club mates, pulling 9 to 5s, take on the countries best in representative rugby. Rugby played with flair and not too much riding on the consequences. It was beautiful. That largely still exists today, but with the world of rugby not quite getting things right, the picture is now being painted in NZ that that level of rugby is not required in the “pathway” to Super Rugby or All Black rugby. You might wonder if NZR is right and the pathway shouldn’t include the ‘amateur’, but let me tell you, even though the NPC might be made up of people still having to pull 9-5s, we know these people still have dreams to get out of that, and aren’t likely to give them. They will be lost. That will put a real strain on the concept of whether “visceral thrill, derring-do and joyful abandon” type rugby will remain under the professional level here in NZ. I think at some point that can be eroded as well. If only wanting the best athlete’s at the top level wasn’t enough to lose that, shutting off the next group, or level, or rugby players from easy access to express and showcase themselves certainly will. That all comes back around to the same question of professionalism in rugby and whether it got things right, and rugby is better now. Maybe the answer is turning into a “no”?
35 Go to commentsWow, didn’t realise there was such apathy to URC in SA, or by Champions Cup teams. Just read Nick’s article on Crusaders, are Sharks a similar circumstance? I think SA rugby has been far more balanced than NZs, no?
4 Go to commentsBut here in Australia we were told Penney was another gun kiwi coach, for the Tahs…….and yet again it turned out the kiwi coach was completely useless. Another con job on Australian rugby. As was Robbie Deans, as was Dave Rennie. Both coaches dumped from NZ and promoted to Australia as our saviour. And the Tahs lap them up knowing they are second rate and knowing that under pressure when their short comings are exposed in Australia as well, that they will fall in below the largest most powerful province and choose second rate Tah players to save their jobs. As they do and exactly as Joe Schmidt will do. Gauranteed. Schmidt was dumped by NZ too. That’s why he went overseas. That why kiwi coaches take jobs in Australia, to try and prove they are not as bad as NZ thought they were. Then when they get found out they try and ingratiate themselves to NZ again by dragging Australian teams down with ridiculous selections and game plans. NZ rugby’s biggest problem is that it can’t yet transition from MCaw Cheatism. They just don’t know how to try and win on your merits. It is still always a contest to see how much cheating you can get away with. Without a cheating genius like McCaw, they are struggling. This I think is why my wise old mate in NZ thinks Robertson will struggle. The Crusaders are the nursery of McCaw Cheatism. Sean Fitzpatrick was probably the father of it. Robertson doesn’t know anything else but other countries have worked it out.
44 Go to commentsIt could be coincidental or prescient that the All Blacks most dominant period under Steve Hansen was when the Crusaders had their least successful period under Todd Blackadder and then the positions reversed when Razor took over the Crusaders.
44 Go to commentsDefinitely sound read everybodyexpects immediate results these days, I don't think any team would travel well at all having lost three of the most important game changers in the game,compiled with the massive injury list they are now carrying, good to see a different more in depth perspective of a coaches history.
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