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LONG READ 'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'
1 month ago

Walk a few hundred yards north from the Place de la Concorde on the Rue Royale, and chances are your rugby nose will sniff out a bar that bills itself as ’Le Temple du Rugby à Paris’. Its anglophile name is No scrum, no win, but it has a quintessentially Top 14 maxim, ‘Inspiré par la force de la mêlée’ engraved deep in its French rugby soul.

If any one area of the game won the British and Irish Lions a series in Australia the last time around, it was the scrum. Wallaby tight-head Ben Alexander struggled to cope with the set-piece strength of English powerhouse Alex Corbisiero, and after conceding his third penalty in only the 25th minute of the game, the French connoisseur of scrum officiating Romain Poite lost patience and sent him from the field.

 

You lose the strongman who should be anchoring your entire forward effort, and that weakness in one specific area of the game spreads like wildfire. It can become a crushing blow to team morale. I predicted it would happen before the game:

“M. Poite has a reputation in the northern hemisphere for sniffing out the weakest member of the six front-rowers and penalising him mercilessly. He is also a ‘three-and-out’ ref who will not hesitate to yellow-card his victim after the third penalty for repeated infringement.”

‘No scrum, no win’. Speak it in a whisper, but the boot may just be on the other foot this time around. It depends on a raft of ‘what ifs’. What if Joe Schmidt junks his previous selection policy and anoints Europe-based behemoth Will Skelton as king of the Wallaby second row? What if Taniela Tupou can work himself out of the most spectacular slump of his professional career? What if the Wallaby coaches can persuade all three Test-match officials to police Leinster loose-head Andrew Porter as harshly as Wayne Barnes in the World Cup quarter-final?

A lot needs to fall into place, and many a doubt resolved for the Wallabies to field that physically imposing right side of the scrum, with upwards of 280kg offering the very opposite of ‘the Ben Alexander effect’. Will Skelton be seen as a starter, with his club La Rochelle currently lying seventh and just outside Top 14 play-off qualification? Even one round of les barrages will occupy Skelton until 14 June, six days before the Lions tour begins.

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Will Skelton’s La Rochelle currently sit seventh in the Top 14 (Photo by FRANCK FIFE/AFP via Getty Images)

Schmidt has recently been coy about the prospect of overseas-based players representing the national team.

“We don’t want to preclude anyone, we want to be as strong as we can be for a pinnacle event,” he said.

What we do know is if there are close calls, we will reward the guys who have committed their future to Rugby Australia. It’s not just about the pinnacle event of the British and Irish Lions, but also springboarding into the 2027 World Cup, which is magnified in importance because it’s here in Australia.”

The La Rochelle leviathan is an invaluable asset because of his own physical talent, and for the impact he has made on Leinster forwards in the past – there are after all, no fewer than six Leinster tight forwards in the Lions squad. But he has also been a galvanizing presence for the man he packs behind in the scrum, Tupou.

As ex-Wallaby head coach Eddie Jones attested in a recent Roar interview, “One of the guys who undoubtedly has the most influence [on Tupou] is Skelton. In that World Cup squad in 2023, Will had him up every morning at 5 o’clock when they were training together. And then it’s not the coach telling him to do it, it’s another player, so he feels responsible.”

Motivating Tupou is one of the biggest problems facing Schmidt on the runway to the Lions series. ‘Nella’ has lost his starting spot at the Waratahs and slipped behind journeyman Dan Botha in the pecking order. He is currently paid AUD $1.2m per annum but there is no sign of a new deal from Rugby Australia in the final year of his contract. As Tupou told The Sydney Morning Herald in a forthright interview only last week:

“If I am being honest with myself, I’ve no chance of making that [Wallaby] team [to play the Lions], because of how I’ve been performing this year.

“I really think it’s mental, because I start to second-guess myself, and start asking questions. ‘Can I do this? Is this for me?’ Or, ‘am I good?’ You start playing in your head.

“Sometimes, I go out there, and I finish the game, and I’m like, ‘F*** me, do I know how to play rugby anymore?’

“It feels like I just don’t know what I’m doing, you know? I am nervous to do things I used to do well, I used to just be running the ball, and just offloading, and just able to do things.

“I hope I can find a solution, because I want to play well for the ‘Tahs, and I want to hopefully get back in the Wallabies one day.”

With demons running riot in the Tongan Thor’s head, there is little chance of him renewing his evident synergy with Skelton fore and aft, or combining with Allan Alaalatoa in that highly effective one-two punch the Wallabies are able to field at tight-head with both men fully fit and firing.

What magnifies the importance of Skelton and Tupou’s presence in the Wallaby tight five this July is the amount of negative attention [rightly or wrongly] the likely Lions starting loose-head, Porter, has received for his own scrummaging technique.

It all came to a head in the World Cup quarter-final against New Zealand, with Porter penalised at two critical scrums when Ireland were the dominant force, but the decision-making process of referee Barnes had already been primed by the All Blacks coaches.

 

 

As none other than 2013 Lions scrum hero Corbisiero explained on X, “Porter has a history/perception of scrummaging on the [inward] angle/poor shape, All Blacks would’ve raised it to refs and then used tactics to go after it”. If it was undoubtedly an excellent tactic by New Zealand to focus attention on Porter’s angle, it is also true their own scrummaging emphasis left the Leinsterman with no choice about where to go. As ex-Leinster and Ireland tight-head Mike Ross indicated: “New Zealand tried to create a three-on-two, and the way they did that was with [loose-head] Ethan De Groot pulling his head outside of Tadhg [Furlong] and trying to slip outside him. And then [Tyrel] Lomax was turning in and angling across the scrum, trying to create a three-on-two to leave Porter behind him. Porter is penalised [while] going forward, which – if that’s a French referee – you’re getting those calls.”

If the tight-head angles in, the opposing loose-head has to follow him – at least, if he is worth his professional salt.

The other problem mentioned in passing by ‘Corbs’ is the low, tucked position of Porter’s left arm. Porter does not have the shoulder flex of a Joe Marler or a Joe Moody, so he can bind all the way round to his opponent’s right hip. Porter’s superstrength is he is comfortable in a ‘squat’ position and able to release energy through it. The problem is referees often perceive that low left arm as a picture admitting weakness, and a tendency to collapse.

That is what happened to Porter in the Six Nations game against Wales, when he gave up two of Ireland’s four penalties against an unheralded Welsh front row.

 

Welsh tight-head WillGriff John does little more than ‘pancake’ straight into the Cardiff turf, but referee Christophe Ridley’s perception is established and Porter cops the blame.

From the Aussie perspective, Tupou is the man best qualified to achieve a similar outcome in the Test series. The following clips come from the big man’s Super Rugby Pacific round four performance against the Force and in opposition to Wallaby hopeful Marley Pearce.

 

New South Wales hooker Dave Porecki binds up first on his tight-head, rather than on the loose-head as is more usual. That tight bind shows where the pressure point will come, and it is accentuated by Tupou’s angle just before ‘set’ is called: his hips are out and his angle is inwards, compared to Tom Robertson on the other side, who is square and straight with hips tucked in.

The impact of Nella’s set-up was obvious at a couple of later scrums.

 

 

With his starting angle and Pearce’s bind as short as Porter’s, it is relatively easy for the Tupou to either move through him and leave Pearce behind in the first instance, or pull him straight to deck in the second.

Although there are now fewer of them than ever before, the scrums in this Lions series could yet prove as influential as those in the decisive third Test 12 years ago. Moreover, refereeing perception of the set-piece will be every bit as important now as it was back then.

If they want to hurt the Lions, it will be a case of ‘do as you would be done by’ for Schmidt’s Wallabies. He has the possibility to pick a huge tight-head side of the scrum – but a mix of selection policy, Tupou’s lack of form and a change in officiating attitude to Porter may stop it moving from the planning blackboard on to the pitch. A lot of ‘what ifs’ need to translate into hard reality for the pub maxim to matter: No scrum, no win.

Comments

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Highlander 28 days ago

Well someone said it out loud! That angle from TT is a potential penalty problem but as you have noted, nothing in the six nations scrums screams scary.

All the best nick

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Andrew Nichols 31 days ago

Mmmm NO

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DP 32 days ago

I genuinely thought the Wallabies would get pumped but hoping for a 3-0 for those pesky and annoying Ozzies instead 😉. I feel it’ll come down to the battle of the open sides.

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Koro Teeps 41 days ago

Was Porter also pinged against the All Blacks in Dublin last year? I seem to remember the ABs picking up a few scrum penalties at pivotal moments of that match.

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NB 41 days ago

Could be, once word gets around among the refs, momentum can be hard to stop.

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NH 42 days ago

Nice one Nick. This goes to show to me an issue the WBs have had for a long time which is a lack of depth - their competitiveness basically hinges on having two starting 5 players available. And you are absolutely right, nella and skelton would send shivers down the back of most opposition tight 5s. Whereas, AAA and Williams say doesn’t have anywhere near the same threat even though both are decent players in their own right.

I’d like to see Nella start - it’d be a big confidence boost and a good way to set the tone at the scrum. If he isn’t up to it fitness wise, you can pull him at 35 and know that AAA has plenty in the tank and if he lifts, leave him on. However, Schmidt liked to split his power players last year often having tupou, BPA and LSL on the bench so he may do something similar for the lions. I really do hope skelton and kerevi are in the mix for the lions, it’d be a shame for the wallabies not to be at their best. What are your thoughts on JOC getting into the 23? I think the reds have missed him this year for his experience and game management, he could be a good #23 to help in the dying minutes of games…

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NB 41 days ago

I’d still see important roles for AAA and Jeremy Williams NH. AAA could stil arguably play more minutes than Nella [who will never be an 80 minute player] while Williams could start at 6: Skelton-Frost-Williams has pretty good balance among the big men.


I’d def have JOC in the squad, poss as a finisher in the 23 too. He can cover centre and back three at a push so opens up the 6/2 option.

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harrytrousers farthing 42 days ago

Bit rough on Dan Botha, he is only 23 and missed last season with injury. Fella could play 60 tests.

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Mzilikazi 42 days ago

With that name would have Afrikaans heritage. Do you know more of him, htf ? Wiki has no clue as to his heritage.

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NB 42 days ago

Do you think? I haven’t watched all the Tahs game, but reports say he’s struggled in the tight?

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SR 42 days ago

Corbisero’s opinion was out weighed by several other NH front row pundits who basically said that Porter had been getting away with scrummaging illegally for 2 years and was now getting pinged for it. Interesting that he tries to make out it was NZ who was cheating . What about all the other top teams Porter had been pinged against? But this isn’t new s Nick I’m going for a Wallabies 2-1 win over the Lions. Apart from the Lion’s potentially underestimating the Oz forward pack I dont think this is one of the ‘great’ Lions team. Good yes but not great and on a dry track I don’t thin they have enough speed across the park to live with Wallabies. We’ll see. Should be a cracking series.

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Mzilikazi 42 days ago

“he tries to make out it was NZ who was cheating”. Mmmm…I know a lot of people around the world who would question the tactics NZ/AB’s have employed over the years…I am not using the word cheating, SR, not the right term, imo.


2 - 1 win for WB’s. Heart hopes for that, but head fears a 3 - 0 loss. That is a damn powerful Lions squad. They have, for example, fearsome depth at 10…probably have 6 better than we have.

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NB 42 days ago

So both Corbs and Mike Ross were outweighed by who exactly?


And who is going forward in those two scrums and who has maintained their integrity better?


Let’s get this straight - Andrew Porter does not try to collapse scrums on purpose and he only responds to THPs moving in on the angle by staying with his hooker. You can see it clearly in that overhead shot v the ABs.


Forget all the media slather, and listen to two blokes who actually propped a pro scrum.


On a dry track I don’t think they have enough speed across the park to live with Wallabies.

Why are the WBs perceived to be ‘faster’ than the Lions when all of their SRP teams are slower than Leinster and Northmapton??


Say the Lions pick Curry, Earl and Pollock - who would be faster then eh?😁

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James 43 days ago

And how do you see the Wallabies loosehead / Lion’s tighthead battle Nick?

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NB 42 days ago

Bell v Furlong or Stuart fascinating. Will Stuart prob now the best scrumming THP we have and I think Gus would have his hands full with him.

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dw 43 days ago

Thanks Nick but your headline has just jinxed us and reminded me of that night in 2013!

I love any analysis of the scrums such as the above. Cheers.


Allalatoa seems to be in good form and Nongorr appears to be able to hold his own? I think they will pick Tupou regardless of form. After Friday night I am concerned he could be sent off in the first five mins of the test though! He got too pumped up and hit a player high and was carded

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NB 42 days ago

AAA has come back to top form and shown all the naysayers he can scrum well when he has two legs to stand on!


I think they are looking for passion and interest from Nella right now, so won’t mind the high or late hits!

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dw 43 days ago

Also interested in your thoughts on A Bell. Haven't noticed many scrum issues recently. He also seems to play 60 or so mins every game. A bit of a fan (even though he’s a tah..) but wondered if the Lions would target his scrummaging

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Tom 43 days ago

Blasphemy! Burn the heretic!

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NB 43 days ago

😁

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Wolf1 43 days ago

Great article and thank you for focusing on the scrum.


In our house, the scrum is one of the most looked forward to things in a match.

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Mzilikazi 43 days ago

Would not go as far as whole house in our family, but for me, yes, W1. Loved playing in the scrum, love watching now😀

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NB 43 days ago

Brought up on the exploits of the Pooler front row, so cannot disagree!

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Poorfour 43 days ago

I don’t agree completely with @IkeaBoy , but I would propose two changes to the refing of the scrum. Firstly, train the refs to follow a process working through from the bind to the point where they blow the whistle to determine what the first offence was. Quite often today what gets penalised is the result of an earlier but unnoticed infringement by the other side.


Secondly, mandate the TMO to look at scrums in the background and alert the ref to any pattern of potential infringements so that they have a better idea where to look.

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SR 42 days ago

Good ideas I’d add getting the nearest linesman come on and police the other side of the scrum while the ref stays on the center field side.

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IkeaBoy 43 days ago

Yeah, joking aside it should be blown by specialists. Or at the very least get all test ref’s up to speed by speaking to a few ex-props.


I think it should be a separate 30 second scrum clock. Don’t stop the game clock.

30 seconds to set, engage, throw it in and get it out. No re-sets. One shot.


You don’t want props to feel left out and you don’t want it to go the way of rugby league, scrums are no longer useful if they can’t be ref’d properly.

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NB 43 days ago

I would suggest something more radical. We don’t want tech pens for perceived indiscretions and we don’t want reset scrums taking any time [at all] off the game clock.


I’d prefer the scrum to be under rather than over-reffed as you’re suggesting - mostly by ppl who don’t really know what’s happening. If there is doubt, let the scrum play out!

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