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'The Women's Six Nations will be the biggest rugby that's going on at that moment'
“I was heartbroken” says Red Roses player Lydia Thompson about the lost Rugby World Cup final in 2017 that saw England walk away with the silver medal, despite the winger scoring a solo try from the half-way line. England is likely to face winners and this year’s hosts New Zealand again in this year’s tournament. Despite the setbacks across the world, this is the year the Red Roses wish to cure their heartbreak by lifting the winner’s trophy. I spoke to three Red Roses: Claudia MacDonald, Lydia Thompson and Marlie Packer about the year ahead for women’s rugby.
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The first focus of all three players is the Women’s Six Nations, which takes place in a new format and in a new Spring-time window. “I’m so grateful that we have rugby back going,” said Thompson. The Worcester winger thinks the new format and timing of the Women’s Six Nations poses a new opportunity for the women’s game. “The Women’s Six Nations will be the biggest rugby that’s going on at that moment. All those fans that might be torn whether they watch the men’s game or the women’s game now have a clear and easy decision. That is potentially exciting.
“That part of the calendar is where things come to an end and there are just finals, whereas this is going to be a really big tournament. I’m really excited as this might be a really good and competitive tournament to build up to the World Cup.”
Wasps scrum-half MacDonald is similarly excited, but notes that it will be a shame not to play all the teams in the Six Nations. “We’re really fortunate to be able to play sports at the moment when there are so many who aren’t able to,” the 25-year-old says. “Having our own window means all those rugby fans can come and watch women’s rugby.”
Saracens and England flanker Packer is the most experienced player in the trio, with 74 caps for her country. “I think it’s really exciting to have our own window not in the shadow of the men’s Six Nations”, she says. “The new format is going to be different. For me, the Six Nations means you play all the nations, but this is what we are doing this season. It’s going to be exciting and I’m really looking forward to playing in it.”
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While the Women’s Six Nations remains at the forefront of their minds, they all say it’s a building block towards Rugby World Cup 2021. “We are hoping at the end of the World Cup we’re there lifting the trophy,” says MacDonald, who is yet to go to a Rugby World Cup having joined the England squad on an EPS (part-time) contract in January 2019. “The Rugby World Cup is constantly at the back of my mind at the moment. It’s what we are driving towards, and it’s getting closer all the time. There is definitely some excitement around it, so I’m really looking forward to hopefully playing some good rugby!”
Packer has two Rugby World Cups under her belt, and says that despite the pandemic, this year feels no different to the usual build up. “We’ve all got the same drivers and the overall goal is the World Cup,” the 31-year-old says. “The Six Nations is the next goal for us as individual players and as an England squad, but it’s very exciting to have a World Cup coming up.
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“Just the fact that it’s going ahead is incredible in these times, so we’ve all got that drive to want to be there.”
Thompson says it’s still “weird” to start talking about the Rugby World Cup. “Even going back to club rugby was a huge thing, and we feel so grateful that we are in that position,” she says. “Now I’m thinking ahead, that the Rugby World Cup could carry on, it just feels incredible. Al the backroom staff and our manager go above and beyond with the logistical side to put something like this together, it’s incredible.”
Unlike MacDonald, Thompson knows the nerves of waiting to find out if you will be part of the World Cup side. The anticipation is no different for the women, who commit so much for the chance to represent their country. Both Thompson and Packer mention the pride of representing your country at a Rugby World Cup. “You never know what the final squad is going to be,” Thompson says, “and until you get that email to say you’re in the squad, or you’re on the plane, you just don’t know.
“You know that the best squad needs to go out, so you hope you’re a part of that but if it’s not meant to be it’s not meant to be. But it would be amazing to go out to New Zealand and pick up that trophy. I was heartbroken to come away with silver in 2017, so it would be awesome to get the gold.”
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The fan base of women’s rugby is growing at the international and domestic level. The England v France autumn fixtures on BBC Two brought in crowds of over 700,000 viewers, and the recent Exeter v Saracens Premier 15s clash had a record-breaking 125,000 views across different channels. The weekly figures are impressive too, with almost 50,000 (47,511) streams of last weekend’s Premier 15s action.
Packer has noticed a shift in the number of people who are watching women’s rugby, and stressed the importance of having games on television. “I think that showcases what people are doing off the field as well as people’s following on social media,” the Saracens flanker says. “Today we have been working with England partner Mitsubishi, and they want us to do the same as the men. I think that just shows the shift that is coming as more people support the women’s game.
“Having the autumn games on BBC Two was great. As a free channel, that gets people to tune in and watch us do what we do. Being on prime-time television shows what a massive support shift there has been.”
MacDonald came to rugby at 19-years-old, captaining Durham University women’s rugby team in the 2017/18 season. Now 25-year-old, she is on a full-time England contract, a testament to her talent and hard work in the last six years. For the scrum-half, it’s more important than ever that rugby is accessible for young girls.
“There’s that old cliché ‘if they can’t see it, they can’t be it’,” laughs MacDonald, “but if they generate false ideas about who plays rugby and therefore think that they can’t play rugby because they’re not big enough or whatever, that is bad.
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“Having women’s rugby on television also just shows what you can do with rugby. It encourages young players to stay in it, because they can see for themselves that they could have a sustainable career in it, if that’s what they want to do. They can kind of look forward to playing with the players they see on the screen, or they can try to be those players that they look up to.”
The commitment of women’s rugby players across the world is inspiring, with the physical and social commitments needed to play the sport they love. Of course, all sacrifices and jobs are put into perspective by the coronavirus pandemic that has changed all lives and extended the workloads of many on the front line. The players are clear that they just feel so fortunate to be able to play and train with the coronavirus safety measures in place.
While it’s been a terrible year for grassroots rugby, there have also been some fantastic stories of hardworking, inspiring people in the rugby community who have gone above and beyond to help others. Mitsubishi is offering RugbyPass readers the chance to nominate someone to win a video message from an England or Scotland rugby star: from both the men’s and women’s game.
I asked the three Red Roses who they would nominate for an award if given the chance. “Lots of teammates and Premier 15s players have also been involved with the NHS as doctors and nurses, so a really huge thanks to them as always,” MacDonald says. “Individually, I would have to nominate Flo Williams, who I think has worked so hard to raise the profile of women’s rugby. She’s caused a few stirs, she’s upset people, she had the difficult conversations and had been quite controversial at times.” For context, Williams has been one of the leading women’s rugby players to tackle social media abuse, challenged brands who have failed women’s rugby players, and has created lots of content to help promote the women’s game.
“The amount of work that goes on behind the scenes to create the content has been enormous,” says Williams’ teammate MacDonald. “I think it has really worked well in terms of raising the profile of women’s rugby, especially when people can’t watch it at the moment.”
Lydia Thompson similarly wished to pay tribute to those in the rugby community who have been working on the front line. “My own club captain Lyndsay O’Donnell has been on the front line as a physiotherapist, and my teammate Jo Brown is also a physiotherapist who has been working on the front line during this whole time. Katy Hornby, our doctor, went back into the NHS which I think is just incredible. As soon as the pandemic started she put herself forward.
“Also, I’ve been really impressed with Rachael Burford. She’s really applied her skills to growing women’s and girls’ rugby during this time. She runs Girls Rugby Club, and even when all their face-to-face camps got cancelled overnight, she has been relentless in making sure that the growth of the women’s game has kept going. She’s an inspiration, she’s a role model to me. She’s really kept that momentum going when actually she could have had a year off. From a rugby perspective, my nomination would be Rachael.”
Yeovil-born Packer, while acknowledging the dedication of her teammates on the front line, spoke about the effect the various lockdowns have had on grassroots rugby. She nominates Paul Mayhew from Yeovil RFC who has been leading the club’s volunteering efforts since the start of the pandemic. “The rugby club has gone through a full refurbishment with new flooring and full decoration, basically to get the club to tip-top form ready for when the doors open to everyone so it’s in a good state.”
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He is right , the Crusaders will be a threat. Scott Barrett, ( particularly), Fergus Burke , Codie Taylor, ( from sabbatical) etc due back soon for the Crusaders. There are others like Zach Gallagher too. People can right the Crusaders off, Top 8 , here we come !!
1 Go to commentsWe will always struggle for money to match the other sides but the least the WRU can do is invest properly in Welsh rugby. Too much has been squandered on vanity projects like the hotel and roof walk amongst others which will never see a massive return. Hanging the 4 pro sides out to dry over the last decade is now coming back to bite the WRU financially as well as on the pitch. You reap what you sow.
1 Go to commentsWhat do you get if you cross a doctor with a fish? A plastic sturgeon
14 Go to commentsWhat happened to feleti Kaitu’u? Hasnt played in a while right?
1 Go to commentsGregor I just can’t agree with you. You are trying to find something that just isn’t there. Jordie Barrett has signed until 2028. By the end of that he would have spent probably 11-12 years on Super Rugby and you say he can’t possibly have one season playing somewhere else. It is absurd. What about this scenario, the NZR play hard ball and he decides to leave and play overseas. How would that affect the competition. There seems to be an agenda by certain journalists to push certain agendas and don’t like it when it’s not to their liking. I fully support the NZR on this. Gregor needs to get a life.
2 Go to commentsHope he stays as believe he can do a great job.
1 Go to commentsMake what step up? Manie has a World Cup winner’s medal around his neck and changed the way the Springboks can play. He doesn’t have anything to prove to anyone. The win record of the Boks with him in the team is tremendous. Sacha can be wonderful and I hope he has a very succesful Bok career, but comparing him to Manie in terms of the next Bok flyhalf is very strange. Manie is the incumbent (not the next) and doing pretty incredibly.
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1 Go to commentsSabbaticals have helped keep NZ’s very best talent in the country on long term deals - this fact has been left out of this article. Much like the articles calling to allow overseas players to be selected, yet can only name one player currently not signed to NZR who would be selected for the ABs. And in the entire history of NZ players leaving to play overseas, literally only 4 or 5 have left in their prime as current ABs. (Piatau, Evans, Hayman, Mo’unga,?) Yes Carter got an injury while playing in France 16 years ago, but he also got a tournament ending injury at the 2011 World Cup while taking mid-week practice kicks at goal. Maybe Jordie gets a season-ending injury while playing in Ireland, maybe he gets one next week against the Brumbies. NZR have many shortcomings, but keeping the very best players in the country and/or available for ABs selection is not one of them. Likewise for workload management - players missing 2 games out of 14 is hardly a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Again let’s use some facts - did it stop the Crusaders winning SR so many times consecutively when during any given week they would be missing 2 of their best players? The whole idea of the sabbatical is to reward your best players who are willing to sign very long term deals with some time to do whatever they want. They are not handed out willy-nilly, and at nowhere near the levels that would somehow devalue Super Rugby. In this particular example JB is locked in with NZR for what will probably (hopefully) be the best years of his career, hard to imagine him not sticking around for a couple more after for a Lions tour and one more world cup. He has the potential to become the most capped AB of all time. A much better outcome than him leaving NZ for a minimum of 3 years at the age of 27, unlikely to ever play for the ABs again, which would be the likely alternative.
2 Go to commentsJake White talks more sense than anything I've read in the last 5 years. Hope someone's listening.
9 Go to commentsThe Springboks tried going down the road of only picking home-based players and it was an unmitigated disaster in 2016 and 2017. Picking overseas-based players has been one of the main reason the Boks have done so well since 2018, not only because of the quality Rassie could call on, but because of the knowledge and experience those players brought into camp from England, France and Japan. With some of the big names playing abroad it also gave younger players in SA the chance to break through at franchise level. Would we have seen the emergence of a Ruan Nortje if RG and Lood were still at the Bulls? Not so sure. I understand why Jake would want to block players leaving since his job depends on good results but it’s an approach that would take Bok rugby back to the bad old days and no South African wants to see that.
9 Go to commentsExeter were thumped by 38 points. And they only had to hop on a train.
39 Go to commentsI am De Groot.
1 Go to commentsHad hoped you might write an article on this game, Nick. It’s a good one. Things have not gone as smoothly for ROG since beating Leinster last year at the Aviva in the CC final. LAR had the Top 14 Final won till Raymond Rhule missed a simple tackle on the excellent Ntamack, and Toulouse reaped the rewards of just staying in the fight till the death. Then the disruption of the RWC this season. LAR have not handled that well, but they were not alone, and we saw Pau heading the Top 14 table at one stage early season. I would think one of the reasons for the poor showing would have to be that the younger players coming through, and the more mature amongst the group outside the top 25/30, are not as strong as would be hoped for. I note that Romain Sazy retired at the end of last season. He had been with LAR since 2010, and was thus one of their foundation players when they were promoted to Top 14. Records show he ended up with 336 games played with LAR. That is some experience, some rock in the team. He has been replaced for the most part by Ultan Dillane. At 30, Dillane is not young, but given the chances, he may be a fair enough replacement for Sazy. But that won’be for more than a few years. I honestly know little of the pathways into the LAR setup from within France. I did read somewhere a couple of years ago that on the way up to Top 14, the club very successfully picked up players from the academies of other French teams who were not offered places by those teams. These guys were often great signings…can’t find the article right now, so can’t name any….but the Tadgh Beirne type players. So all in all, it will be interesting to see where the replacements for all the older players come from. Only Lleyd’s and Rhule from SA currently, both backs. So maybe a few SA forwards ?? By contrast, Leinster have a pretty clear line of good players coming through in the majority of positions. Props maybe a weak spot ? And they are very fleet footed and shrewd in appointing very good coaches. Or maybe it is also true that very good coaches do very well in the Leinster setup. So, Nick, I would fully concurr that “On the evidence of Saturday’s semi-final between the two clubs, the rebuild in the Bay of Biscay is going to take longer than it is on the east coast of Ireland”
11 Go to commentsWhat was the excuse for the other knockout blowouts then? Does the result not prove the Saints were just so much better? Wise call to put your eggs in one basket when you’ve got 2 comps simultaneously finishing.
39 Go to commentsReally hope Kuruvoli and his partner rock the Canes.
1 Go to commentsI wonder what impact Samson has had on their attack, as the team seems less prone to trundle it up the middle, take the tackle and then trundle it up again. I lost faith in the coach last year as the Rebelss looked like a 2nd/3rd rate South African team. I also disliked Gordon standing back, often ignored as the forward battle went on and on. Maybe its our Aussie way of not getting off our A***’s until the enemy is at the gate.
86 Go to commentsThanks for the write up. Great to see the Rebs winning, I am a little interested in how they will go against the remaining kiwi teams, I think they’ve only played Hurricanes and Highlanders but how great to see these players performing!! I also see Parling has a job beyond June 30! A good move by RA? Also how do you fix the Rebels previously scratchy defence?
86 Go to commentsbe smart - go black
14 Go to commentsNext week the Crusaders hopefully have Scott Barrett back. Will be great to have the captain back. Hopefully he will be the All Black captain as well.
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