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'What do we get for that? Zilch': Why Bristol are ignoring table
Bristol boss Pat Lam has insisted that the one thing last season in the Gallagher Premiership reinforced with him is that league tables are largely irrelevant and that he won’t be looking at the latest top-flight standings until around June 2022. The Bears have endured a difficult start to the new season, the loss of four of their matches leaving them in twelfth place heading into this weekend’s trip to London Irish.
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Lam’s side are already a whopping 23 points behind leaders Leicester, albeit with a game in hand, and the gap to Northampton, who currently occupy the fourth and final playoff spot, is 15 points. That is quite a gap to catch up but the seasoned Bristol boss isn’t losing any sleep over the Premiership standings given what happened to his team last season.
Bristol led the way for the majority of the 2020/21 campaign and they finished in first place but their season was abruptly ended the following weekend when fourth-place Harlequins, who finished 14 points behind them in fourth place, came to Ashton Gate and caused an upset before going on to lift the title with a win over the second-place Exeter.
It’s why Lam is now paying no attention to a table where Bristol are just a point ahead of bottom club Bath who are in 13th and last place following their five losses. “Around June 2022,” quipped Lam when asked by RugbyPass at what stage in the season will he start looking at the league table.
“You guys [the media] said that last year, I didn’t say that. If you go back and look at any interviews that I gave last season it wasn’t about that [leading the table for so long], it was about the next job, five points are available, let’s go and get that.
One of the biggest signings during the Pat Lam era has slipped down the Bristol pecking order in recent weeks#Bears #GallagherPrem #LIRvBRI https://t.co/Xav0MLeQPG
— RugbyPass (@RugbyPass) October 27, 2021
“We just happened to be ahead but it shows you it doesn’t mean anything. What did we get for that? Zilch. We lost four games, Quins lost eight and won the Premiership. That is just the way it works, so nothing counts now as far as that goes so there is no point looking at it. Where it counts is where you are going to be in June 2022.
“That is what it counts and even then the table just tells you that you are given an opportunity. Four teams will get an opportunity to try and win the title and whether you are first, second, third or fourth, it really doesn’t matter. It’s about which team is going to take that opportunity to get to the final and obviously we didn’t take ours. The table just tells you if you are going to get the opportunity.”
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The 2011 World Cup winner is just weeks into his first campaign as a new Bears assistant #Bears #LIRvBRI #GallagherPrem #AllBlacks #WALvNZRhttps://t.co/7OCfx1ZKCa
— RugbyPass (@RugbyPass) October 28, 2021
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The rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
65 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
2 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
1 Go to commentsexcellent idea ! rugby needs this 💪
9 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
12 Go to commentsI like this, but ultimately rugby already has enough trophies. Trying to make more games “consequential" might prove to be a fools errand, although this is a less bad idea than some others. Minor quibble with the title of the article; it isn’t very meaningful to say the boks are the unofficial world champions when it would be functionally impossible for the Raeburn trophy not to be held by the world champions. There’s a period of a few months every 4 years when there is no “unofficial” world champion, and the Raeburn trophy is held by the actual world champions.
9 Go to commentsIts a great idea but one that I dont think will have a lot of traction. It will depend on the prestige that they each hold but if you can do that it would be great. When Japan beat the Boks (my team) I was absolutely devestated but I wont deny the great game they played that day. We were outclassed and it was one of the best games of rugby I have seen. Using an idea like this you might just give the the underdog teams more of an opportunity to beat the big teams and I can absolutely see it being a brilliant display of rugby. They beat us because they planned for that game. It was a great moment for Japan. This way we can remove the 4 year wait and give teams something to aim for outside of World Cup years.
9 Go to commentsHi, Dave here. Happy to answer questions 🥰
9 Go to commentsDon’t think that headline is accurate. It’s great to see Aus doing better but I’m not sure they’ve shown much threat to the top of the table. They shouldn’t be inflating wins against the lousy Highlanders and Crusaders either.
3 Go to commentsSuch a shame Roigard and Aumua picked up long term injuries, probably the two form players in the comp. Also, pretty sure Clarke Dermody isn’t their coach. Got it half right though.
3 Go to commentsOh the Aussie media, they never learn. At least Andrew Kellaway is like “Woah, yeah it’s great, but settle down there guys” having endured years of the Aussie media, fans, and often their players getting ahead of themselves only to fall flat on their faces. Have the “We'll win the Bledisloe for sure this year!” headlines started yet? It’s simple to see what’s going on. The Aussie teams are settled, they didn't lose any of their major players overseas. The Crusaders and Chiefs lost key experienced All Blacks, and Razor in the Crusaders case, and clearly neither are anywhere near as strong as last year (The Canes and Blues would probably be 3rd & 4th if they were). The Highlanders are annually average, even more so post-Aaron Smith and a big squad clean out. The two teams at the top? The two nz sides with largely the same settled roster as last year, except Ardie Savea for the Canes. They’ve both got far better coaches now too. If the Aussies are going to win the title, this is the year the kiwi sides will be weakest, so they better take their chance.
3 Go to commentsThe World Cup has to be the gold standard, line in the sand. 113 teams compete for what is the opportunity to make the pool stages, and then the knockout games for the trophy. The concept is sound. This must have been the rationale when the World Cup was created, surely? But I’m all for Looking forward and finding new ways for the SH to dominate the NH into the future. The autumn series needs a change up. Let’s start by having the NH teams come south every odd year for the Autumn/Spring series games?
9 Go to commentsWhat’ll happen when the AI models of the future go back in time and try to destroy the AI models of the past standing in their way of certain victory?
41 Go to commentsThanks, Nick. We (Seanny Maloney, Brett and I) just discussed Charlie as a potential Wallaby No 8, and wondered if he has truly realised how big he is in contact (and whether he can add 5 kg w/o slowing down). Your scouting report confirms our suspicions he has the materiel. No one knows if he has the mentality (as Johann van Graan said this week about CJ, Duane and Alfie B) to carry 10-15 times a game.
57 Go to commentsHe would be a great player for the Stormers, Dobbo should approach the guy.
3 Go to commentsGood article. A few years back when he was playing for the Cheetahs, he was a quiet standout for exactly the seasons stated here. I occasionally get to see his games in the UK, and he has become a more complete player and in many ways like an Irish player. His work ethic is so suitable to the Leinster game. I wonder if Rassie would have him listed somewhere.
3 Go to commentsResults probably skewed by the fact that a few clubs have foreign fly halves in their 30s, but most teams have young English scrum halves. Results also likely to be skewed by the fact that many teams rely on centres and fullbacks to provide depth at 10, whereas they will need to stock a large number of specialist backup 9s.
2 Go to commentsI really get the sense that when all is said and done, the path of least resistance will end up being a merger of Wasps & Worcester that essentially kills the Worcester Warriors brand and sees Wasps permanently playing at Sixways. I’m not saying that’s what should happen or what I want to happen. I just think it’s the easiest rout to take and therefore, will be what happens. Wasps will definitely return to play first, and I suppose it all depends on if they can find support at Sixways. If people turn up and support Wasps in that community, at that ground, I bet they drop the Sevenoaks plan and just remain at Sixways. Under the radar but not totally unrelated, it looks as though London Irish are going to be brought back from the dead by a German consortium and look set to return, likely to the remade Championship. It’s set to have 12 clubs next season with 14 in 2025/26, what do you want to bet those extra 2 are Wasps and London Irish?
3 Go to commentsThe shoulder is a “joint” with multiple bones. You don’t “fracture” a shoulder, you fracture any one or more of the bones that make up a shoulder.
2 Go to commentsOh dear, bones too suspect to continue?
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