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Munster player ratings vs All Blacks XV | Autumn Nations Series

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Munster player ratings: Munster conceded two late tries to let slip a golden opportunity to add to their list of wins over international sides as they fell 24 – 38 at the hands of the All Blacks XV.

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Despite falling 14 – 0 now, Munster did as they have done all throughout history and stood up and fought.

Munster’s tails were up, starting with a super try by fullback Mike Haley before a powerful maul led to a penalty try to bring the scores to 14 – 12 at half-time.

Going blow for blow with their potent opponents before two late tries put a different complexion on the scoreline, Munster proved that when their backs are to the wall, they come out swinging.

1. John Ryan – 6.5
Simply couldn’t get to grips with George Dyer at scrum time throughout the first half as he folded in several times. This was likely down to the All Blacks routine early engagements which was eventually picked up on. Away from these challenges, Ryan was solid as he got through a mountain of work around the breakdown and was a willing carrier into the All Blacks rush defence.

2. Diarmuid Barron – 7
Led well, albeit he allowed Peter O’Mahony to take charge in the opening half and certainly fought his side’s corner. Sowing the seeds of doubt about the All Blacks XV engaging early at scrum time with the referee was a masterstroke. Once it was it was in the official’s mind that New Zealand were illegal the scrum penalties began to go Munster’s way.

3. Stephen Archer – 6
One of Munster’s great servants continues to do the job at 36-years-old. No doubt he struggled at scrum time, but when it counted most, namely in the 70th minute, he won a penalty before departing.

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4. Fineen Wycherley – 6.5
Often maligned as somewhat of an enigma, Wycherley had a strong outing in the face of a motivated and physical opponent. Getting through a ton of work around the breakdown, dominating at line-out time and directing the Munster maul efficiently. Overall, it was one of his better showings, which was timely given the injury woes for Ian Costello’s side.

5. Thomas Ahern – 6.5
Perhaps over-eager to make an impact, Ahern found himself on the wrong side of the referee’s whistle on a few occasions. Overall, Ahern was industrious and fronted up as the enforcer his side needed against the aggressive visitors.

6. Peter O’Mahony – 8
His presence alone was invaluable to a Munster team coming off their most turbulent week in recent years. Communicating with referee Takehito Namekawa masterfully, O’Mahony was central to getting his team on the right side of the Japanese ref. This led to his team’s second try, which not only yielded the full seven points but saw the New Zealanders go down to 14 players for the opening ten minutes of the second half.

7. John Hodnett – 8.5
Dynamic with his carrying and a constant pest around the breakdown, the Rosscarbery man took the fight to the powerful All Blacks backrow.

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Latching to the maul beautifully for his team’s third try, Hodnett burrowed through the defence like a missile. Away from the maul, Hodnett got stuck into the visitors in a throwback to the old snarky Munster glory days.

8. Gavin Coombes – 7.5
Two years and two days removed from being involved with the dismal Ireland A performance against the All Blacks XV, Coombes secured his redemption. Taking the ball to the line with ferocity, cleaning out bodies at the breakdown effectively and getting through a mountain of defensive work, the number eight had a performance to remember.

9. Ethan Coughlan – 7
Dictated play superbly in the absence of both Craig Casey and Conor Murray before going down with a frustrating ankle injury.

10. Billy Burns – 4
Caught out on a few occasions defensively, most notably for the All Blacks XV’s first score when he was a step slow getting to the opposite number, Harry Plummer.

In attack, his short kicking game remains his point of difference, but with the ball in hand, he simply didn’t challenge the All Blacks’ defence.

11. Diarmuid Kilgallen – 7.5 
Making his long-awaited debut, the powerful winger was a handful for the All Blacks XV. Coming within a finger-tip tackle of racing away for a try in the first half, continuing this form throughout the second forty with some moments of individual brilliance.

Kilgallen confirmed why he was such a big-time signing for Munster this offseason this evening and will be a key contributor throughout the rest of the season.

12. Rory Scannell – 6
It was a hit-and-miss evening for the playmaking centre, who had some good touches and front up defensively. His quick thinking to release the ball when he wasn’t held before setting up Tom Farrell for Munster’s fourth try was exceptional.

From the kicking tee, he had a first half to forget with just one conversion from his three efforts, which kept Munster just behind the eight ball all evening.

13. Tom Farrell – 7
Munster’s best player to date this season was once again immense in the Munster midfield with his physicality in defence and creativity in attack. Displaying his finishing prowess for Munster’s fourth score.

14. Shay McCarthy – 4
Not a day to remember for the winger, who fizzed but never popped with a few crucial handling errors as he generally struggled to get involved with the action.

15. Mike Haley – 6.5
Pouncing for his side’s first try of the contest, the fullback has kept his hot streak running. Cutting a perfect line before powering under defenders, the fullback looks more comfortable than ever as the main man at the back for Munster.

Replacements:
16. Niall Scannell – 6
Mirrored the man he replaced by immediately accusing the All Blacks of engaging early which went a long way towards turning the tide at scrum time.

17. Kieran Ryan – 6
Munster’s future at the loosehead position replaced his namesake, John, and did a very tidy job. Getting involved with the attacking game by getting on the ball and blowing up rucks, Ryan put to bed the concerns fans had following a tough outing against the Sharks last week. Of course there is someway to go before he is the final product but this evening proved the potential is there.

18. Ronan Foxe – 6
Truly a learning experience for the young tighthead who has the makings of a special player for Munster. Winning crucial scrum penalties and bringing dynamism as a ball carrier, Foxe made his chances of challenging Oli Jager and Archer to a world of good this evening.

19. Evan O’Connell – 7
Sometimes, with professional sports, you simply have to say, ‘Of course that happens.’ In the case of Evan O’Connell (nephew of Munster and Ireland legend Paul), it was written in the stars that he would have an instant impact. Coming off the bench in the 60th minute, the lock’s first impact was to win a textbook turnover.

20. Ruadhán Quinn – 6.5
Replaced O’Mahony at half-time and acquitted himself well with an early turnover. From here, he grew into the match with some big-time tackles to deny the All Blacks XV. With the ball in hand, the big backrow rumbled and barged over his more experienced opponents.

21. Paddy Patterson – 5
Overall, it was a good performance from the ever-consistent Patterson, who appeared for the first time this season with a magnificent new hairstyle. For all of his good work, he will be frustrated for missing the opportunity to chop down his opposite number, Noah Hotham, who raced away to set up the try that broke Munster’s spirit with a few minutes to play.

22. Tony Butler – 7.5
Quite possibly the young flyhalf’s best outing in a Munster shirt to date. Butler entered the fray in the second half in place of Billy Burns and took things up a notch. Kicking cleverly from hand, taking on the All Blacks defence with ball in hand and fronting up defensively, Butler looked the complete package this evening.

23. Ben O’Connor – 5
Only on the park for a few minutes, the Ireland U20 stand-out pulled off a few flashy moments but wasn’t on for long enough to affect the result.

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IkeaBoy 1 hour ago
Why Les Kiss and Stuart Lancaster can lead Australia to glory

“Why are you so insistent on being wrong? Man United won in 2008 (beating Chelsea in the final). In 2009 Barcelona won, beating United.”

Good lad, just checking. So you’re not a bot! Chelsea bombed the 2008 final more than United won it. John Terry… couldn’t happen to a nicer fella.


“The gap between wins ignores the finals contested. 2 in 2 years with his City Triumph. The most recent put him in the elite company of managers to have won it with multiple clubs. Yet more late career success and history.”

Again - you’re not correct. City won the CL in 2023, and made the final in 2021. Those are the only two CL finals they have made.”

So the difference between 2021 and 2023 would of course be TWO YEARS. 24 months would account for 3 different seasons. They contested ECL finals twice in two years. The first in 2021 - which they lost - was still the first elite European final in the clubs then 141 year history. Explain clearly how that’s not an achievement? Guess what age he was then…


“I think your take on Gatland is pretty silly. Gatland was without Edwards in the 2013 and 2017 Lions tours and managed to do alright.”

I thought you don’t care what certain managers did 10 years ago…

Why would I address Eddie Jones? Why would he be deserving of a single sentence?


“I am aware Les Kiss has achieved great things in his career, but I don’t care what he did over ten years ago. Rugby was a different sport back then.”

So you haven’t watched even a minute of Super Rugby this year?


“lol u really need to chill out”

Simply frightful! If you’re not a bot you’re at least Gen-Z?

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fl 2 hours ago
Why Les Kiss and Stuart Lancaster can lead Australia to glory

“Pep didn’t win the ECL in 2009. It was 2008 with Barca”

Why are you so insistent on being wrong? Man United won in 2008 (beating Chelsea in the final). In 2009 Barcelona won, beating United.


“The gap between wins ignores the finals contested. 2 in 2 years with his City Triumph. The most recent put him in the elite company of managers to have won it with multiple clubs. Yet more late career success and history.”

Again - you’re not correct. City won the CL in 2023, and made the final in 2021. Those are the only two CL finals they have made. With Barcelona, Pep made the semi final four consecutive times - with City he’s managed only 3 in 8 years. This year they didn’t even make the round of 16.


To re-cap, you wrote that Pep “has gotten better with age. By every measure.” There are some measures that support what you’re saying, but the vast majority of the measures that you have highlighted actually show the opposite.


I am aware Les Kiss has achieved great things in his career, but I don’t care what he did over ten years ago. Rugby was a different sport back then.


I think your take on Gatland is pretty silly. Gatland was without Edwards in the 2013 and 2017 Lions tours and managed to do alright. You’ve also not addressed Eddie Jones.


I agree wrt Schmidt. He would ideally be retained, but it wouldn’t work to have a remote head coach. He should definitely be hired as a consultant/analyst/selector though.


“Look at the talent that would be discarded in Schmidt and Kiss if your age Nazism was applied.”

lol u really need to chill out lad. Kiss and Schmidt would both be great members of the coaching set up in 2025, but it would be ridiculous to bank on either to retain the head coach role until 2031.

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IkeaBoy 3 hours ago
Why Les Kiss and Stuart Lancaster can lead Australia to glory

Pep didn’t win the ECL in 2009. It was 2008 with Barca. The gap between wins ignores the finals contested. 2 in 2 years with his City Triumph. The most recent put him in the elite company of managers to have won it with multiple clubs. Yet more late career success and history.


His time with City - a lower win ratio compared to Bayern Munich as you say - includes a 100 PT season. A feat that will likely never be surpassed. I appreciate you don’t follow soccer too closely but even casual fans refer to the sport in ‘pre and post Pep’ terms and all because of what he has achieved and is continuing to achieve, late career. There is a reason that even U10’s play out from the back now at every level of the game. That’s also a fairly recent development.


How refreshing to return to rugby on a rugby forum.


Ireland won a long over due slam in 2009. The last embers of a golden generation was kicked on by a handful of young new players and a new senior coach. Kiss was brought in as defence coach and was the reason they won it. They’d the best defence in the game at the time. He all but invented the choke tackle. Fittingly they backed it up in the next world cup in their 2011 pool match against… Australia. The instantly iconic image of Will Genia getting rag-dolled by Stephen Ferris.


His career since has even included director of rugby positions. He would have an extremely good idea of where the game is at and where it is going in addition to governance experience and dealings. Not least in Oz were many of the players will have come via or across Rugby League pathways.


Gatland isn’t a valid coach to compare too. He only ever over-achieved and was barely schools level without Shaun Edwards at club or test level. His return to Wales simply exposed his limitations and a chaotic union. It wasn’t age.


Schmidt is open to staying involved in a remote capacity which I think deserves more attention. It would be a brain drain to lose him. He stepped in to coach the ABs in the first 2022 test against Ireland when Foster was laid out with Covid. They mullered Ireland 42-19. He was still heavily involved in the RWC 2023 quarter final. Same story.


Look at the talent that would be discarded in Schmidt and Kiss if your age Nazism was applied.

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fl 4 hours ago
Why Les Kiss and Stuart Lancaster can lead Australia to glory

“He won a ECL and a domestic treble at the beginning of his career.”

He won 2 ECLs at the beginning of his career (2009, 2011). Since then he’s won 1 in 15 years.


“He then won 3 leagues on the bounce later in his career”

He won 3 leagues on the bounce at the start of his career too - (2009, 2010, 2011).


If we’re judging him by champions league wins, he peaked in his late 30s, early 40s. If we’re judging him by domestic titles he’s stayed pretty consistent over his career. If we’re judging him by overall win rate he peaked at Bayern, and was better at Barcelona than at City. So no, he hasn’t gotten better by every measure.


“You mentioned coaches were older around the mid-2010’s compared to the mid-2000’s. Robson was well above the average age you’ve given for those periods even in the 90’s when in his pomp.”

Robson was 63-64 when he was at Barcelona, so he wasn’t very old. But yeah, he was slightly above the average age of 60 I gave for the top 4 premier league coaches in 2015, and quite a bit above the averages for 2005 and 2025.


“Also, comparing coaches - and their experiences, achievements - at different ages is unstable. It’s not a valid way to compare and tends to torpedo your own logic when you do compare them on equal terms. I can see why you don’t like doing it.”

Well my logic certainly hasn’t been torpedoed. Currently the most successful premier league coaches right now are younger than they were ten years ago. You can throw all the nuance at it that you want, but that fact won’t change. It’s not even clear what comparing managers “on equal terms” would even mean, or why it would be relevant to anything I’ve said.


“You still haven’t answered why Kiss could be a risker appointment?”

Because I’ve been talking to you about football managers. If you want to change the subject then great - I care a lot more about rugby than I do football.

But wrt Kiss, I don’t agree that 25 years experience is actually that useful, given what a different sport rugby was 25 years ago. Obviously in theory more experience can never be a bad thing, but I think 10 years of coaching experience is actually more than enough these days. Erasmus had been a coach for 13 years when he got the SA top job. Andy Farrell had been a coach for 9 when he got the Ireland job. I don’t think anyone would say that either of them were lacking in experience.


Now - what about coaches who do have 25+ years experience? The clearest example of that would be Eddie Jones, who started coaching 31 years ago. He did pretty well everywhere he worked until around 2021 (when he was 61), when results with England hit a sharp decline. He similarly oversaw a terrible run with Australia, and currently isn’t doing a great job with Japan.

Another example is Warren Gatland, who also started coaching full-time 31 years ago, after 5 years as a player-coach. Gatland did pretty well everywhere he went until 2020 (when he was 56), when he did a relatively poor job with the Chiefs, before doing a pretty poor job with the Lions, and then overseeing a genuine disaster with Wales. There are very few other examples, as most coaches retire or step back into lesser roles when they enter their 60s. Mick Byrne actually has 34 years experience in coaching (but only 23 years coaching in rugby) and at 66 he’s the oldest coach of a top 10 side, and he’s actually doing really well. He goes to show that you can continue to be a good coach well into your 60s, but he seems like an outlier.


So the point is - right now, Les Kiss looks like a pretty reliable option, but 5 years ago so did Eddie Jones and Warren Gatland before they went on to prove that coaches often decline as they get older. If Australia want Kiss as a short term appointment to take over after Schmidt leaves in the summer, I don’t think that would be a terrible idea - but NB wanted Kiss as a long term appointment starting in 2027! That’s a massive risk, given the chance that his aptitude will begin to decline.


Its kind of analagous to how players decline. We know (for example) that a fly-half can still be world class at 38, but we also know that most fly-halves peak in their mid-to-late 20s, so it is generally considered a risk to build your game plan around someone much older than that.

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