The 'surreal, bizarre' London Irish verdict on playing with just 12
London Irish head coach Les Kiss has proudly reflected on the crazy period after half-time last Saturday where his team had to play Northampton with just twelve players after they had suffered three yellow cards just before the interval. Referee Luke Pearce dished out sin-bins in quick succession to Tom Pearson, Henry Arundell and Rob Simmons, but Irish incredibly ‘won’ the section of the game 3-0 when it was 15 Saints versus a dozen Exiles after half-time.
Irish were ultimately defeated 38-22, Northampton powering away when the fixture became a 15-versus-15 contest again, but Kiss took much encouragement from how his players and assistant coaches reacted to a three-men-down crisis they had never trained for. “You don’t practice for that, that is for sure,” he admitted to RugbyPass.
“You always practice for one down, particularly if you lose a nine or a two. There are always variables in that to grasp hold of how you handle that. Do you put a ten into nine, a wing into nine if he is gone? If your two is gone, where do you put your defensive nine and how do you get your defence, particularly off of set-piece, set-up?
“But for having just twelve players? No, you don’t train. If you think about it, we lost a back row, a tight-five and then a 15 – it throws a lot of things but I’ll tell you it was brilliant really. The coaches just took control of their technical lead area, the players knew the areas we needed to look at and how we found a solution just happened fairly organically.
“Brad (Davis) had to set up the defensive mindset and move the pieces in the dressing room. It was a really calm dressing room, to tell you the truth. It was just direct about these pictures and were we willing to fight for each other and fight for every inch? I thought we did. It was brilliant. It was just when we got to 15 players, we seemed to want to take a breath and go thanks for that and then they just hit us quickly, fair play to them. They got us twice in a way that did hurt us.
Big effort needed here. We start the half with 12 men.
Simmons, Arundell and Pearson are in the sin bin.
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— London Irish (@londonirish) September 17, 2022
“It [being three players short] is not something you practice for. We collectively put as much of our rugby intelligence together in that ten, 15 minutes at half-time to find a way to put it in their mind to make sense and they just took something and made it their own in that nine minutes when we had twelve men. It was surreal, bizarre. I have never had that before but it was brilliantly handled by the boys, that is for sure.”
So well did Irish fare that Northampton director of rugby Phil Dowson told Kiss afterwards about his disappointment that they couldn’t exploit their numerical advantage. “I spoke to Phil and he was disappointed when they were against twelve. Sometimes you can show enough pictures where they [the opposition] get attracted by the space that is illusionary and it is like fool’s gold.
“They maybe shift it, attacking fool’s gold rather real gold, and they put themselves under pressure. So we held out and that was what we talked about, fighting and sticking together and connecting – and they kept going for the whole period – but just when we got back to 15 they [Northampton] got more direct and precise.
“It was a surreal eight, nine minutes, plus the 15 minutes at half-time managing all that. I wouldn’t say you want it every week but it was something good to go through, for sure.”
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It’s not up to Wales to support Georgian Rugby. That’s up to International Rugby and Georgia. I sympathise with Georgia’s decent attempt to create this fixture. But for Wales the proposed match up is just a potential stick to beat them with and a potential big psychological blow that young Welsh team doesn’t need. (I’m Irish BTW.)
2 Go to commentsCale certainly looks great in space, but as you say, he has struggled in contact. At 23 years old, turning 24 this year, he should be close to full physical maturity and yet there exists a considerable gap in the power and physicality required for international rugby. Weight doesn’t automatically equate to power and physicality either. Can he go from a player who’s being physically dominated in Super rugby to physically dominating in international rugby in 1 or 2 years? That’s a big ask but he may end up being a late bloomer.
24 Go to commentsIf rugby wants to remain interesting in the AI era then it will need to work on changing the rules. AI will reduce the tactical advantage of smart game plans, will neutralize primary attacking weapons, and will move rugby from a being a game of inches to a game of millimetres. It will be about sheer athleticism and technique,about avoiding mistakes, and about referees. Many fans will find that boring. The answer is to add creative degrees of freedom to the game. The 50-22 is an example. But we can have fun inventing others, like the right to add more players for X minutes per game, or the equivalent of the 2-point conversion in American football, the ability to call a 12-player scrum, etc. Not saying these are great ideas, but making the point that the more of these alternatives you allow, the less AI will be able to lock down high-probability strategies. This is not because AI does not have the compute power, but because it has more choices and has less data, or less-specific data. That will take time and debate, but big, positive and immediate impact could be in the area of ref/TMO assistance. The technology is easily good enough today to detect forward passes, not-straight lineouts, offside at breakdown/scrum/lineout, obstruction, early/late tackles, and a lot of other things. WR should be ultra aggressive in doing this, as it will really help in an area in which the game is really struggling. In the long run there needs to be substantial creativity applied to the rules. Without that AI (along with all of the pro innovations) will turn rugby into a bash fest.
24 Go to commentsSouth Africa rarely play Ireland and France on these tours. Mostly, England, Scotland and Wales. I wonder why
1 Go to commentsIt was a let’s-see-what-you're-made-of type of a game. The Bulls do look good when the opposition allows them to, but Munster shut them down, and they could not find a way through. Jake should be very worried about their chances in the competition.
2 Go to commentsHats off to Fabian for a very impressive journey to date. Is it as ‘uniquely unlikely’ as Rugby Pass suggests, given Anton Segner’s journey at the Blues?
1 Go to commentsSad that this was not confirmed. When administrators talk about expanding the game they evidently don’t include pathways to the top tier of rugby for teams outside of the old boys club. Rugby deserves better, and certainly Georgia does.
2 Go to commentsLions might take him on if they move on Van Rooyen but I doubt he will want to go back, might consider it a step backwards for himself. Sharks would take him on but if Plumtree goes on to win the challenge cup they will keep him on. Also sharks showing some promising signs recently. Stormers and Bulls are stable and Springboks are already filled up. Quality coach though, interesting to see where he ends up
1 Go to commentsAnd the person responsible for creating a culture of accountability is?
3 Go to commentsMore useless words from Ben Smith -Please get another team to write about. SA really dont need your input, it suck anyway.
264 Go to commentsThis disgraceful episode must result in management and coach team sackings. A new manager with worse results than previous and the coaching staff need to coached. Awful massacre led by donkeys.
1 Go to commentsInteresting article with one glaring mistake. This sentence: “And between the top four nations right now, Ireland, France, South Africa, and New Zealand…” should read: And between the top four nations right now, South Africa, Ireland, New Zealand and France…”. Get it right wistful thinkers, its not that hard.
24 Go to commentsHow did Penny get the gig anyway?
3 Go to commentsNice write up Nick and I would have agreed a week ago. However as you would know Cale & co got absolutely monstered by the Blues back row of Sotutu, Ioane and Papaliti and not all of these 3 are guaranteed a start in the Black jumper. He may need to put some kgs before stepping up, Spring tour? After the week end Joe will be a bit more restless. Will need to pick a mobile tough pack for Wales and hope England does the right thing and bashes the ABs. I like your last paragraph but I would bring Swinton, Hannigan into the 6 role and Bobby V to 8
24 Go to commentsThe Crusaders can still get in to the Play Off’s. The imminent return of outstanding captain Scott Barrett and his All Black team mate Codie Taylor will be a big boost.There are others like Tamaiti Williams too. Two home games coming up. Fellow Crusader fans get there and support these guys. I will be.
2 Go to commentsCant get more Wellington than Proctor.
2 Go to commentsWhy not let the media decide. Like how they choose the head coach. Like most of us we entrust the rugby system to choose. A rugby team includes the coaches. It's collective.
14 Go to commentsHi NIck, I have been very impressed with him and he seems a smart player who can see opportunities which Bobby V _(who must be an international 6_) doesn’t see or have the speed to take advantage of. If he continues to improve and puts on 5kgs then he could be a great 8. He is a bit taller than Keiran Reid at 1.93m and 111 kgs, so his skill set fits his body size and who knows where it will lead. I hope the spate of Achilles tendon issues have been dealt with by the S&C people. It’s been a very long time since Mark Loane and Kefu stood out at 8. The question is will we be able to hold onto him, if he does make it he will be pretty hot property. I disagree with the idea of letting them go to the Northern Hemisphere and then bring them back.
24 Go to commentsBilly Fulton 🤣🤣🤣🤣 garrrmon not even close
14 Go to commentsDoes the AI take into account refs? hahaha Seriously why not have two on field refs to avoid bias?
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