'I don't know why they've signed a 10 at the back end of his career'
Former Leicester lock Jim Hamilton has questioned the wisdom of the Tigers shelling out a massive amount of money to sign Springboks fly-half Handre Pollard. The South African No10 lasted just 27 minutes on his Gallagher Premiership debut last Saturday, limping off in the 67th minute at Saracens after being introduced as a half-time replacement.
The debut came just five weeks after Pollard had limped out of The Rugby Championship for his country in Adelaide, an injury that Springboks head coach Jacques Nienaber reckoned was 80 per cent likely to rule the player out up the upcoming European tour in November.
Pollard defied that prognosis by skipping off the bench in London to make his Leicester debut but it was soon cut short and the Tigers reported on Monday that the injury is similar to what he sustained in Australia in August. “Handre is an incredibly positive character and he took a little bang and that is being assessed at the moment,” reported Leicester boss Steve Borthwick. “We are getting it investigated now and it is a similar area.”
This lack of Leicester bang for buck on Pollard’s Premiership debut became a hot topic on this week’s episode of The Rugby Pod, the show co-hosted by ex-Tigers duo Hamilton and Andy Goode. Whereas the latter was keen to play up the attributes of the South African, Hamilton sounded gravely worried that the 2021/22 English champions had jumped the gun in recruiting their replacement for England out-half George Ford.
It was last November when Ford announced he would be joining Sale for the 2022/23 season, a revelation that resulted in Leicester announcing the following month that they had captured the signature of Pollard from Montpellier.
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However, with his debut on the artificial surface at the StoneX in London not going to plan, Pollard is now facing a layoff just 27 minutes into his Leicester career, a situation that left Hamilton suggesting that Borthwick was rash with his recruitment. Here is how the intriguing conversation between Hamilton and Goode unfolded on The Rugby Pod:
Jim Hamilton: “You wonder how fit he was? Rumours and what you were hearing was he was a long way away from being fit and the next thing he is playing.”
Andy Goode: “You say that Jim but I spoke to him a few weeks back at Leicester, interviewed him in the Andy Goode suite pre-match and he was like, ‘Mate, I will be fit in a couple of weeks’.”
JH: “Well, maybe there were 750,000 reasons why he wanted to be fit. I am not being horrible but you saw the injury, he came off, I heard slightly different rumours. He knows better than anyone how far away he is or was and he clearly felt he was right to go (and play). I heard he wasn’t going to be fit until January, I heard he was going to miss the autumn Tests and stuff like that.
“I just don’t see him as a decent fit for Leicester in a like for like losing George Ford. We have always spoken highly of George Ford. The back-end of the season looked brilliant, in attack he looked brilliant. The way Leicester want to play you could say and argue the fact that Handre Pollard fits that but I just don’t know why they have gone out and signed a South African 10 at the back end of his career when there are other players that you could potentially look at.
“I am happy to be proven wrong and I hope he is okay and I hope he does get a bit of time in the jersey, but I just wonder whether he is the right player to take Leicester forward, to win the Prem again and to win Europe and to be consistent. They had George Ford and we all know what our mate Freddie (Burns) did at the end of the season.”
AG: “Jim, I am just going to call you out on something there because you are trying to write a guy’s career off. He is 28.”
JH: “Is he 28?”
AG: “He is 28.”
JH: “He’s in his prime.”
AG: “The back end of his career? You’re horrible.”
JH. “I know but I feel like he is older.”
AG: “It’s because he has been playing for South Africa for a long time and has had huge impacts on that team. I met him at Leicester and honestly I was a bit nervous about it. All banter aside, he is a World Cup-winning fly-half and I am sat there a bit nervy. I want to see how much banter I can give him on stage and try and get a few laughs out of him.
“The first thing he does when he sees me is he walks over and goes, ‘Hi Andy, how are you doing?’ Shakes my hand. I’m like, ‘F***, he knows who I am’. It took me back a bit and then you speak to him, he is the nicest guy. The South Africans are humble guys, they want to work hard for their club and there are no airs and graces around them.
“I did a bit of investigation around how he is fitting in and all this stuff and everyone you speak to at Leicester said that he is the most professional guy possible. He has come in with all these medals, a World Cup winners medal, beat the Lions, he is a phenomenal player in terms of his career behind him. He has come in humbly and just wants to help Leicester do as well as they can and he has put himself in the shop window. He could quite easily have come to Leicester and said, ‘Nah, boys, I ain’t fit til Jan’.”
JH: “It’s great to have different opinions and you are better placed than me but he didn’t play loads at Montpellier, he didn’t set the world alight in the Top 14 and I say this with all due respect, he is effectively a marquee player. He is Leicester’s marquee player and that is the level we are talking about. I’m not talking about a £200,000 player coming in and not setting the world alight.
“I am talking about what a Dan Biggar has done for Northampton, for example. What a Semi Radradra has done at Bristol. There is no disrespect to Handre Pollard. I love the bloke. He is a ten out of ten looking bloke and I’m sure he is a lovely guy but I just feel like Leicester rushed the gun a little bit in trying to sign a top-class ten who I don’t necessarily think fits.”
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Good to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
1 Go to commentsThis just proves that theres always a stat and a metric to use to justify your abilities and your success. Ben did it last week by creating an imaginary competition and now you did the same to counter his argument and espouse a new yardstick for success. Why not just use the current one and lets say the Boks have won 4 world cups making them the most successful world cup team. Outside of the world cup the All Blacks are the most successful team winning countless rugby championships and dominating the rankings with high win percentages. Over the last 4 years statistically the Irish are the best having the highest win rate and also having positive records against every tier 1 side. The most successful Northern team in the game has been England with a world cup title and the most six nations titles in history. The AB’s are the most dominant team in history with the highest win rate and 3 world cups. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel. Just be honest about the actual stats and what each team has been good at doing and that will be enough to define their level of success.
17 Go to commentsHow is 7’s played there? I’m surprised 10 or 11 man rugby hasn’t taken off. 7 just doesn’t fit the 15s dynamics (rules n field etc) but these other versions do.
7 Go to commentsPick Swinton at your peril A liability just like JWH from the Roosters Skelton ??? went missing at RWC
14 Go to commentsLike tennis, who have a ranking system, and I believe rugby too, just measure over each period preceding a world cup event who was the longest number one and that would be it. In tennis the number one player frequently is not the grand slam winner. I love and adore the All Blacks since the days of Ian Kirkpatrick when I was a kid in SA. And still do because they are the masters of running rugby and are gentleman on and off the field - in general. And in my opinion they have been the majority of the time the best rugby team in the world.
17 Go to commentsHaving overseas possessions in 2024 is absurd. These Frenchies should have to give the New Caledonians their freedom.
21 Go to commentsBell injured his foot didn’t he? Bring Tupou in he’ll deliver when it counts. Agree mostly but I would switch in the Reds number 8 Harry Wilson for Swinton and move Rob Valentini to 6 instead. Wilson is a clever player who reads the play, you can’t outmuscle the AB’s and Springboks, if you have any chance it’s by playing clever. Same goes for Paisami, he’s a little guy who doesn’t really trouble the likes of De Allende and Jordie Barrett. I’d rather play Carter Gordon at 12 and put Michael Lynagh’s boy at 10. That way you get a BMT type goalkicker at 10 and a playmaker at 12. Anyways, just my two cents as a Bok supporter.
14 Go to commentsThanks Brett, love your articles which are alway pertinent. It’s a difficult topic trying to have a panel adjudicating consistently penalties for red card issues. Many of the mitigating reasons raised are judged subjectively, hence the different outcomes. How to take away subjective opinions?
7 Go to commentsYes Sir! Surprising, just like Fraser would also have escaped sanction if he was a few inches lower, even if it was by accident that he missed! Has there really been talk about those sanctions or is this just sensational journalism? I stopped reading, so might have missed any notations.
7 Go to commentsAI is only as good as the information put in, the nuances of the sport, what you see out the corner of the eye, how you sum up in a split second the situation, yes the AI is a tool but will not help win games, more likely contribute to a loss, Rugby Players are not robots, all AI can do if offer a solution not the solution. AI will effect many sports, help train better golfers etc.
45 Go to commentsIt couldn’t have been Ryan Crotty. He wasn’t selected in either World Cup side - they chose Money Bill instead. And Money Bill only cared about himself, and that manager he had, not the team.
26 Go to commentsYawn 🥱 nobody would give a hoot about this new trophy. End of the day we just have to beat Ireland and NZ this year then they can finally shut up 🤐
17 Go to commentsTalking bout Ryan Crotty? Heard Crotty say in a interview once that SBW doesen't care about the team . He went on to say that whenever they lost a big game, SBW would be happy as if nothing happened, according to him someone who cares would look down.. Personally I think Crotty is in the wrong, not for feeling gutted but for expecting others 2 be like him… I have been a bad loser forever as it matters so much to me but good on you SBW for being able to see the bigger picture….
26 Go to commentsThis sounds like a WWE idea so Americans can also get excited about rugby, RUGBY NEEDS A INTERNATIONAL CALENDER .. The rugby Championship and Six Nations can be held at same time, top 3 of six nations and top 3 of Rugby championship (6 nations should include Georgia AND another qualifying country while Fiji, Japan and Samoa/Tonga qualifier should make out 6 Southern teams).. Scrap June internationals and year end tours. Have a Elite top six Cup and the Bottom 6 in a secondary comp….
17 Go to commentsThe rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
84 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
2 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
7 Go to commentsexcellent idea ! rugby needs this 💪
17 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
14 Go to commentsI like this, but ultimately rugby already has enough trophies. Trying to make more games “consequential" might prove to be a fools errand, although this is a less bad idea than some others. Minor quibble with the title of the article; it isn’t very meaningful to say the boks are the unofficial world champions when it would be functionally impossible for the Raeburn trophy not to be held by the world champions. There’s a period of a few months every 4 years when there is no “unofficial” world champion, and the Raeburn trophy is held by the actual world champions.
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