England's debt to Shaun Edwards: 'I'd go to his house, have chats'
If you ever need an example that the rugby world is a very small place, then look no further than the influence that a trio of former Wigan rugby league players – Shaun Edwards, Andy Farrell and now Martin Gleeson – will wield with France, Ireland and England in the 2022 Six Nations and then through to the following year’s World Cup. The first two names have been around the block on the Test rugby union scene, Edwards now coaching the French defence after years of success with Warren Gatland’s Wales, and Farrell now calling the shots as Irish boss after doing his apprenticeship as defence coach under Joe Schmidt and before that with Stuart Lancaster’s England.
Now, Gleeson has cantered onto the scene, snapped up by Eddie Jones to become the new England attack coach after just one-and-a-half formative seasons coaching in the union code at Wasps after a career in league. The irony of it all is that but for copious conversations over the years around at Edwards’ house when he was working with Wales, the imagination in Gleeson to cross codes would never have been ignited.
That free tuition leaves England with a lot to be grateful for and the prospect of these old pals coming up against each other in Paris on March 19, Edwards’ defence trying to shut down Gleeson’s attack, is a dynamic that will be laced with intrigue. Edwards was a rugby league hero growing up to the wide-eyed Gleeson. Now the pair will be rugby union rivals and what unfolds will hopefully be something to savour. “Shaun Edwards is a big influence on me coming to rugby union,” said Gleeson at the end of his first training camp with England this week.
“When he was the Wales coach I used to go and see him throughout the year and we’d talk. He spoke about defences when I was still in league, how in league would you defend against this? Just general rugby chat. He was teaching me some stuff about the game. I’d go to his house and we’d have some good conversations and that really started piquing my interest in the game. He was a good reference for me to then get into the game when I first went to Wasps.
“Shaun Edwards is someone who played and had success at Wigan, where I am from. I watched him as a kid growing up, he was a big influence. He is someone who had that successful playing career and then went into a different code coaching and the success he has had, he is a really special guy.
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“As I was watching the games, especially with Shaun, we were mainly talking about the D side over the course of a number of years, I started seeing stuff that I thought you could do in attack against the defence so I started looking at it from the other side. I have always been an attack coach. In my mind when I am doing stuff I am always looking at little things where I think you could maybe do this, have a look at that or try that. My interest piqued more and more over time. Chatting with Shaun I was aware that a lot of the league guys who came over were D.
“I thought there was a bit of a nuance there where I could bring in something a little bit different, the way teams defend, the difference to league. I just thought if I could come and show these other things potentially you have got a bigger toolbox to attack from against certain styles of defences. It’s just through those conversations with Shaun that my interest piqued and I got more and more I want to pursue this and see where I can go with it.”
Gleeson has gone a very long way in a short space of time and he is now coaching an international team that has Owen Farrell, the son of the aforementioned Andy, as its skipper. “He is very similar, similar mannerisms, very thorough in what he does,” he said when asked to compare son to father. “I have been really impressed with Owen, his desire to improve his game, his desire to work hard and the way he is with the lads and leads in training. His dad was a great player and a fantastic leader and Owen is a chip off the old block.”
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It was a letâs-see-what-you're-made-of type of a game. The Bulls do look good when the opposition allows them to, but Munster shut them down, and they could not find a way through. Jake should be very worried about their chances in the competition.
2 Go to commentsHats off to Fabian for a very impressive journey to date. Is it as âuniquely unlikelyâ as Rugby Pass suggests, given Anton Segnerâs journey at the Blues?
1 Go to commentsSad that this was not confirmed. When administrators talk about expanding the game they evidently donât include pathways to the top tier of rugby for teams outside of the old boys club. Rugby deserves better, and certainly Georgia does.
1 Go to commentsLions might take him on if they move on Van Rooyen but I doubt he will want to go back, might consider it a step backwards for himself. Sharks would take him on but if Plumtree goes on to win the challenge cup they will keep him on. Also sharks showing some promising signs recently. Stormers and Bulls are stable and Springboks are already filled up. Quality coach though, interesting to see where he ends up
1 Go to commentsAnd the person responsible for creating a culture of accountability is?
2 Go to commentsMore useless words from Ben Smith -Please get another team to write about. SA really dont need your input, it suck anyway.
264 Go to commentsThis disgraceful episode must result in management and coach team sackings. A new manager with worse results than previous and the coaching staff need to coached. Awful massacre led by donkeys.
1 Go to commentsInteresting article with one glaring mistake. This sentence: âAnd between the top four nations right now, Ireland, France, South Africa, and New ZealandâŚâ should read: And between the top four nations right now, South Africa, Ireland, New Zealand and FranceâŚâ. Get it right wistful thinkers, its not that hard.
23 Go to commentsHow did Penny get the gig anyway?
2 Go to commentsNice write up Nick and I would have agreed a week ago. However as you would know Cale & co got absolutely monstered by the Blues back row of Sotutu, Ioane and Papaliti and not all of these 3 are guaranteed a start in the Black jumper. He may need to put some kgs before stepping up, Spring tour? After the week end Joe will be a bit more restless. Will need to pick a mobile tough pack for Wales and hope England does the right thing and bashes the ABs. I like your last paragraph but I would bring Swinton, Hannigan into the 6 role and Bobby V to 8
21 Go to commentsThe Crusaders can still get in to the Play Offâs. The imminent return of outstanding captain Scott Barrett and his All Black team mate Codie Taylor will be a big boost.There are others like Tamaiti Williams too. Two home games coming up. Fellow Crusader fans get there and support these guys. I will be.
1 Go to commentsCant get more Wellington than Proctor.
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13 Go to commentsHi NIck, I have been very impressed with him and he seems a smart player who can see opportunities which Bobby V _(who must be an international 6_) doesnât see or have the speed to take advantage of. If he continues to improve and puts on 5kgs then he could be a great 8. He is a bit taller than Keiran Reid at 1.93m and 111 kgs, so his skill set fits his body size and who knows where it will lead. I hope the spate of Achilles tendon issues have been dealt with by the S&C people. Itâs been a very long time since Mark Loane and Kefu stood out at 8. The question is will we be able to hold onto him, if he does make it he will be pretty hot property. I disagree with the idea of letting them go to the Northern Hemisphere and then bring them back.
21 Go to commentsBilly Fulton đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł garrrmon not even close
13 Go to commentsDoes the AI take into account refs? hahaha Seriously why not have two on field refs to avoid bias?
23 Go to commentsVern challenging this Blues side might be the edge they need to fulfill their potential. Convincing results from strong D and strong carries are hard to argue against.
1 Go to commentsLove seems to add a strong back field defense with speed to close the gap and tackle to his ability to attack, kick and pass (an accurate long pass). This sets him an edge over some of the other names - JRK in particular. Has to be said that Jordan and Stevenson have also been exposed defensively while Love has yet to face test match intensity. Spoilt for choice.
1 Go to commentsHeâs strung together a few strong seasons, Iâd like to see him in the ABs and build some depth along with Reiko and ALB. Levi Aumua hasnât taken the step we hoped to see but time yet.
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