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Tom Ilube is convinced England will become the dominant nation in world rugby. The start-up entrepreneur and philanthropist was appointed chair of the Rugby Football Union earlier this year, in the process becoming the first black head of a major national sporting body, and he has big plans for the sport.
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Speaking on BBC Radio 4 on Sunday as he chose his Desert Island Discs, Ilube spoke about his vision for the future of the game in England.
He said: “The women’s game is growing massively and I’m really, really excited about that, so I want to see the women’s game growing.
“I want to see more diversity on the pitch and off the pitch and I just want to see the strength of England rugby growing and growing.
“We should be and we will be the dominant rugby nation in the world. I’m really excited about that.”
Ilube, a physics graduate who was born in Richmond to a Nigerian father and a white English mother, grew up in England, Nigeria and Uganda and admitted his teenage years in London were enjoyable but tough at times.
He said: “My early teenage years in the 70s were wonderful, everyone around. It was rugby, parties, afros, ice-skating, Chopper bikes, all that good stuff, and I was figuring out my identity as a mixed-race kid in 1970s London.
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“I loved it. It could be tough. Early 70s, London, you’re a little black boy and the sort of overt racism that you have to experience, you have to figure out how to deal with it.
“But then I was a rugby boy and I had my friends around me and if I had to fight, then I’d fight and if I didn’t have to, then I’d navigate and we found a way through, so it was okay.”
Asked if he had been able to be tough when he needed to, he replied: “Yes, absolutely. I could definitely stand my own in the playground.”
Ilube recalled his tears at being blacked up for a part in the opening night of a school play with his mother and some of his siblings due to be among the audience, and the memories of having to protect himself against the racism which came his way.
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He said: “You do have to do that sometimes. You know what’s happening, but you have to put on armour and go out anyway, so I’ve sort of had to do that over the years.
“I’ve got quite good at that. But I was pretty small then, so that was a bit tough to do.”
Ilube’s time in Uganda included a traumatic experience which saw him and a friend tied up by Idi Amin’s troops as suspected looters after they had gone to visit a neighbour.
He said: “Fortunately, my dad was driving home just at that time and then he looked and he thought, ‘I know that little looter over there’.
“It was a pretty tough time. He came over and begged them and they untied us and stood us up.”
*Desert Island Discs will be broadcast on on BBC Sounds and BBC Radio 4 on Sunday at 11am.
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21 Go to commentsSo much for all that hype surrounding the ‘revival’ of Aussie rugby. The Blues were without the likes of regular starters Perofeta, Sullivan, Christie etc… This was a capitulation of the highest order by Australia’s finest. Joe Schmidt definitely has his work cut out for him.
2 Go to commentsYes they can ignore Sotutu. Like Akira Ioane plays OK at Super level but gets lost in tests. Too many chances too many failures.
2 Go to commentsA wallaby front-row of Bell, Blake and Tupou…now that would be hefty
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1 Go to commentsThanks BeeMc! Looks like many teams need extra time to settle from the quadrennial northern migration. I think generally the quality of the Rugby has held up. Fiji has been fantastic and fun to watch
13 Go to commentsLets compare apples with apples. Lyon sent weak team the week before, but nobody raised an eyebrow. Give the South African teams a few years to build their depth, then you will be moaning that the teams are too strong.
41 Go to commentsDid footballs agents also perform the scout role at some time? I’m surprised more high profile players haven’t taken up the occupation, great way to remain in the game and use all that experience without really requiring a lot of specific expertise?
1 Go to commentsSuper rugby is struggling but that has little to do with sabbaticals. 1. Too many teams from Aust and NZ - should be 3 and 4 respectively, add in 2 from Japan, 1 possibly 2 from Argentina. 2. Inconsistent and poor refereeing, admittedly not restricted to Super rugby. Only one team was reffed at the breakdown in Reds v H’Landers match. Scrum penalty awarded in Canes v Drua when No 8 had the ball in the open with little defence nearby - ideal opportunity to play advantage. Coming back to Reds match - same scrum situation but ref played advantage - Landers made 10 yards and were penalised at the breakdown when the ref should have returned to scrum penalty. 3. Marketing is weak and losing ground to AFL and NRL. Playing 2 days compared with 4. 4. Scheduling is unattractive to family attendance. Have any franchises heard of Sundays 2pm?
12 Go to commentsAbsolutely..all they need is a chance in yhe playoffs and I bet all the other teams will be nervous…THEY KNOW HOW TO WIN IM THE PLAYOFFS..
2 Go to commentsI really hope he comes back and helps out with some coaching.
1 Go to commentsI think we are all just hoping that the Olympic 7s doesn’t suffer the same sad fate as the last RWC with the officials ruining the spectacle.
1 Go to commentsPersonally, I’ve lost the will to even be bothered about the RFU, the structure, the participants. It’s all a sham. I now simply enjoy getting a group of friends together to go and watch a few games a year in different locations (including Europe, the championship, etc). I feel extremely sorry for the real fans of these clubs who are constantly ignored by the RFU and other administrators. I feel especially sorry for the fans of clubs in the Championship who have had considerable central funding stripped away and are then expected to just take whatever the RFU put to them. Its all a sham, especially if the failed clubs are allowed to return.
10 Go to commentsI’m guessing Carl Hayman would have preferred to have stayed in NZ with benefit of hindsight. Up north there is the expectation to play twice as many games with far less ‘player management’ protocols that Paul is now criticising. Less playing through concussions means longer, healthier, careers. Carter used as the eg here by Paul, his sabbatical allowed him to play until age 37. OK its not an exact science but there is far more expectations on players who sign for Top 14 or Engl Prem clubs to get value for the huge salaries. NZR get alot wrong but keeping their best players in NZ rugby is not one of them. SA clubs are virtually devoid of their top players now, no thanks. They cant threaten the big teams in the Champions Cup, the squads have little depth. Cant see Canes/Chiefs struggling. Super has been great this year, fantastic high skill matches. Drua a fantastic addition and Jaguares will add another quality team eventually. Aus teams performing strongly and no doubt will benefit with the incentive of a Lions tour and a home RWC. Let Jordie enjoy his time with Leinster, it will allow the opportunity for another player to emerge at Canes in his absence.
12 Go to commentsLove that man, his way to despise angry little men is so funny ! 😂
5 Go to comments“South African franchises would be powerhouses if we had all our overseas based players back in situ. We would have the same unbeatable aura the Toulouses, Leinsters or Saracens of this world have had over the last decade or so.” Proof that Jake white does not understand the economics of the game in SA. Players earning abroad are not going to simply come back and represent the bulls. But they might if they have a springbok contract.
25 Go to commentsA lot of fans just joined in for the fun of it! We all admire O'Gara and what he has done for La Rochelle
5 Go to commentsThe RFU will find a way to mess this up as usual. My bet is there will be no promotion into the the Premiership, only relegation into National League One. Hopefully they won’t parachute failed clubs into the league at the expense of clubs who have battled for promotion.
10 Go to commentsWell that’s the contracts for RG and Jordie bought and paid for. Now, what are the chances we can persuade Antoine to hop over with all the extra dosh we’ll have from living at the Aviva & Croke next season…??? 🤑🤑🤑
37 Go to commentsWow, that’s incredible. Great for rugby.
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