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LONG READ Why Dave Rennie is lobbying hard for eligibility changes to bring Brodie Retallick back

Why Dave Rennie is lobbying hard for eligibility changes to bring Brodie Retallick back
3 weeks ago

Barely 10 minutes into his first press conference as All Blacks coach, Dave Rennie gave a clear indication that like his predecessor Scott Robertson, he’s going to publicly challenge New Zealand Rugby’s eligibility rules.

Rennie, who had just been told he had the job, was holding court at NZR HQ in Auckland alongside chairman David Kirk, giving the media all the expected answers to all the expected questions about how he was feeling and what it meant to have landed the role.

But like a brilliantly planned counter-attack, he switched into surprise mode and made quite the bold statement that he’d like to have access to Brodie Retallick – the veteran All Blacks lock who left New Zealand for Japan after the 2023 World Cup.

Rennie, who gave Retallick his first Super Rugby contract with the Chiefs in 2012 and who has been coaching him at Kobe since 2024, said: “I’ll comment on Brodie Retallick. I get to see him train and play every week. He’s stronger than he’s ever been, he’s fitter than he’s ever been.

Dave Rennie
Dave Rennie feels if New Zealand are to win a first World Cup since 2015, they need to have all players available (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

“I’m not sure if I’m allowed to [pick him] yet. There’s no doubt, we want to win the World Cup, and you need your best players available.”

It was a brilliant way to start his tenure – a guerilla attack on Kirk on an issue that won’t go away at a time when Rennie has enormous goodwill in the tank.

There was a bit of cheekiness about it, too, with Rennie’s sly look at Kirk as he said the bit about not being sure if he could pick him yet.

That was a signal that Rennie, as part of his four-hour interview to get the job, had suggested that the eligibility rules are no longer fit for purpose and that the time has come for the NZR board to re-evaluate its stance and start considering some light touch amendments that could have heavy impact.

He had a bit of leverage as he’s taking on the All Blacks job two years out from a World Cup with an eight-week tour to South Africa to be negotiated in August-September, and he needs the best players he can get if he is to succeed.

Rennie feels there are players with immense value to the All Blacks who are off limits and that it wouldn’t be a catastrophic move by NZR to amend the rules to capture high quality individuals currently contracted to offshore clubs

Robertson felt much the same way about eligibility and tried to lobby the board publicly as well, but he never managed to articulate how he felt the policy – which prevents the All Blacks coach picking anyone who does not have an NZR contract – should be changed.

In the end, it looked like his motivation was simply to enforce an exemption so that Richie Mo’unga could see out his three-year contract with Toshiba and yet still play for the All Blacks.

Privately, Robertson had a good idea which was to extend NZR sabbatical agreements to enable players to spend two consecutive club seasons in Japan yet remain eligible for the All Blacks, and for it to be at the discretion of the coach who qualifies for such a perk rather than automatically offering it when someone has amassed 70 Test caps.

It’s not known what Rennie may have pitched to NZR, if indeed he made any specific recommendations at all.

But he’s obviously on the same page as Robertson, that broadly, he feels there are players with extreme value to the All Blacks who are off limits and that it wouldn’t be a catastrophic move by NZR to amend the rules to capture high quality individuals currently contracted to offshore clubs.

Brodie Retallick
Dave Rennie believes Brodie Retallick is still at the peak of his powers and could provide a huge boost to the All Blacks squad, if available (Photo Buddhika Weerasinghe/Getty Images)

Specifically, he clearly doesn’t think it makes sense for a player like Retallick to be in the best physical shape of his life and yet remain off limits to the All Blacks.

“If you have someone like a Brodie Retallick, coming into the environment, I reckon it would really grow the whole group,” Rennie said. “He’s done a phenomenal job around leadership at Kobe.”

The All Blacks have an emerging cohort of young talented locks, but that enhances the case for the 34-year-old, 109-times capped Retallick to be selected with a remit to mentor the next generation, increase competition and serve on the leadership team.

The prospect of being able to take Retallick to South Africa is one that obviously appeals to Rennie, but currently it can’t happen unless NZR changes its rules.

NZR’s long-standing position has been against any change, with the national body arguing that the current blanket-ban on offshore players remains fit for purpose and protects the game.

It seems, if there is to be any change in policy, it’s most likely to be highly specific – possibly something along the lines of the Giteau Law where players in Japan with a threshold of test caps (70-100) can be picked.

But there has been an executive and high-performance shake-up in the last three months, while NZR’s board had its own cleanout 12 months ago, and so the general thinking could change.

What may accelerate the prospect of a change in policy, is that NZR has created a new position of high-performance director [HPD] as part of a revamped All Blacks set-up.

NZR is hoping to hire a genuine coaching heavyweight to fill the role – and the All Blacks coach will report to the HPD, and the HPD to NZR’s chief executive and that new structure, of itself, will create better communication between the All Blacks and the national body.

There will be a forum, or appropriate platform, for the All Blacks to lobby for any eligibility changes and a powerful voice to advocate on Rennie’s behalf.

And it seems, if there is to be any change in policy, it’s most likely to be highly specific – possibly something along the lines of the Giteau Law where players in Japan with a threshold of test caps (70-100) can be picked.

Brodie Retallick
Rennie would dearly love to have the experience and skill Retallick possesses for The Greatest Rivalry this summer (Photo Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Restricting any change to Japan-based New Zealanders makes sense given that the Top League and Super Rugby run mostly in the same window.

What’s previously counted against any eligibility change along these lines is NZR’s concern that the quality of rugby and coaching in the Top League isn’t good enough to ready players for Tests.

But that view seems dated, and there has been several high-level Kiwi coaches advocating for the quality of rugby being played in the Japanese Top League.

Rennie, who went to Kobe in 2023 after he lost his job with the Wallabies, told the media that: “The quality is really strong. There are sides up there that would beat Super Rugby teams.”

Other New Zealand coaches such as Ian Foster, Robbie Deans and Todd Blackadder have echoed those sentiments in recent years and Steve Hansen, who joined Toyota Verblitz in 2020, told the NZ Herald in 2024, that it’s not just the quality of rugby that has improved in the last five years, but the quality of the high-performance environments.

“Everyone used to say that the physios here were no good,” Hansen said. “We have got a guy who is as good as anyone as I have ever seen. Beauden Barrett wanted him to move back to New Zealand because he fixed his Achilles. He looks at things differently. There’s plenty of good people like that who are not recognised.”

Time in Japan has mentally refreshed him and physically benefitted him as he’s leaner, quicker, less battered and seemingly, as suggested by Rennie, in good enough form and condition to resume his Test career.

The idea that Japan’s Top League isn’t a competition with the requisite quality to prepare players for test rugby has been debunked, and taking the example of Retallick, it does also seem to have rejuvenating qualities for older athletes.

There seems no likelihood that Retallick, who was 32 at the 2023 World Cup would have had the physical or mental energy to get through four Super Rugby seasons and be in good enough form to be picked at the 2027 tournament.

But time in Japan has mentally refreshed him and physically benefitted him as he’s leaner, quicker, less battered and seemingly, as suggested by Rennie, in good enough form and condition to resume his Test career.

When he was asked about a possible All Blacks return on ZB Newstalk, Retallick said: “Under the current rules, when I left New Zealand, I knew you couldn’t be picked from abroad and I was happy with that. If it changes, maybe it’s a conversation, but right now it’s all hearsay until there’s an actual platform in place.

Fabian Holland Scott Barrett
Fabian Holland is one of a crop of talented locks who would benefit from Retallick’s mentorship (Photo Joe Allison/Getty Images)

“We play in four week blocks with a bye week, and that recovery time has been huge. As I got older in New Zealand, I just didn’t recover as quickly.

“That’s probably the biggest factor in being able to keep up with the quicker players here. So I don’t know – there’d be a massive question mark over whether I’d still be good enough.”

The only way to find out whether he’s still good enough is to change the rules and let Rennie decide.

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JD Kiwi 7 days ago

Of course theres evidence, what are you fighting against?

Great, show me the evidence then!


Blair had six years tier one European club coaching experience, two of them as head coach, on top of five years tier one European international coaching experience with Scotland. You're trying to say that's less than Hansen's time with tier two Japan?


In our other discussion you criticised the AB attack of last year. Who do think was the attack coach?

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JW 7 days ago

Here you go again.


Of course theres evidence, what are you fighting against?


I doubt that very much, you are comparing a couple of years with Aus to a couple with Hansen. I really hope he has the nous of Hansen, who was built up as some sort of prodigy, but the telling part was made obvious when Blair told how difficult his task was going to be.


Rennie would have been much smarter to have kept Hansen on, but you know, it’s just more inhouse jobs for the mates crap going on.

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JD Kiwi 7 days ago

There's absolutely no evidence that ROG was planning to leave his well payed French head coach job to assist Razor. And Blair has far better test and European experience than Hansen.

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JW 10 days ago

Oh yeah my bad I thought he would have continued through with Japan for another but of course he was already part of the AB team before 23 came around. Ryan didn’t start with Fiji early enough then? Makes sense that he was only there after Razor was told his team didn’t have enough int experience.


So Scott and Blair are about in the same ball park, funny that they were reportedly going head to head then too, as pretty much none of the rest of the teams have any worthwhile experience at all. I would have thought Hansen would just go back to doing the defence, I guess they still wanted a culture coach in the team.


Defense has been Hansens game hasn’t it, perhaps it was the over riding structure of play these two create that pitted themselves against each other. Would be an indictment on the previous group if Hansens wasn’t considered for that role based on ability alone, and Razor was jst trying to squeze all his mates in.


But on the experience front, there is no way that this new group qualifies, especially over what Razor would have done with bringing in the likes of O’Gara instead.

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JD Kiwi 10 days ago

I've looked it up. Hansen coached at one for Japan and Ryan one for NZ. None had any European coaching experience.

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JD Kiwi 10 days ago

Frizzel was not stationed wide that game, by in any case he's coming back so we'll soon see. Of all the players now overseas, the youngest who was an All Black when he left will be 36 at the next World Cup.

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JW 14 days ago

Disagree, Frizell was a wide player, and with the work PSDT put in..


He also only got 40 minutes.

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JW 14 days ago

Don’t they have like four? Hansen has two with Japan, Ryan one with Fiji, and and who else was on the team again? Oh and Ryan of course with the ABs.


I see little difference in playing and coaching, but in either case it was so long ago for all of them it’s fairly irrelevant, like Barnes was at the 2015 WC lol, yeah right. Rennie was robbed of a 23’ one though for sure, probably shouldn’t be used against him. How many of this team was with him then?

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JD Kiwi 16 days ago

South Africa has even more second tier players overseas. You don't save that much and there are too many of them to be able to pay off. Anyway, your revenue will probably be affected much more than you save

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JD Kiwi 17 days ago

No JW, Razor's team had coached in one world cup between them and had little or no experience coaching in Europe.

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John Breslin 18 days ago

Exactly. 35 mins gone, 9-3 up and they have a penalty around the 20-25 m mark. The yellow card had just been upgraded to a red. I thought, bang it into the corner and have a go! Come on!


No, no, no. Place, kick, points


You always know how much salt you’re getting on your chips with Pollard

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Karlos G 18 days ago

The whole conversation kicked off earlier with these details from someone else on this forum and it was in reference to allowing players playing overseas and would they have been beneficial to the ABs in the last 2 years and Frizelles name was dropped as part of the 5 names

And yes you're right it doesn't greatly matter the finals done!

But l stand by my comment that l do find it astounding that a loosie could make one tackle(apparently it was in the after game stats) in a World Cup final

Interesting that you're referring to ‘chance’ over raw effort and determination, was it just by chance that PSDT was in the right place to make those 26 odd tackles?

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JW 18 days ago

I don’t really know what you think you mean by that. Do you think there was just a hole where he should have been and SA made easy meters? Do you think he was missing tackles he should have been making? Do you think he was doing nothing instead? Or are you simply referring to how poor the coaching strategy was?


From memory his lack of tackles was entirely unremarkable. It didn’t seem like he was doing anything badly or that he wasn’t in areas he should have been, or would have been better off in if the coaches had chosen it. I don’t think it makes any sense to think anything about it if that’s the case, it’s just how chance works out, like not having a scrum till the 60th minute in the loss to Argentina. Though I’m sure Foster could/should have thought of something.


But the stats are pretty easy to check out, surprised you hadn’t at the time, it was just a one way game. Checking now the top 8 tacklers where SA’n lol Rieko also made just the one and was on for the whole game! (SF just over 40min) As to your point, yeah could have been fear factor, I had thought that at the time, but like I saw, first yuo need to understand the dynamics of the game to even be able to start to weigh that up.

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JD Kiwi 19 days ago

It's an exciting time. You might never again have such a great generation of forwards playing big tests together from such an early age. But the broadening of your talent base might just make up for it.


Nothing guaranteed of course if you're changing your playing style but you could well have a competitive advantage for decades.

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GrahamVF 19 days ago

We really don’t take him seriously JD

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JD Kiwi 19 days ago

You'll get in trouble again JW😂

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