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What Joe Schmidt said to Warren Gatland before thumping Wales

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Joe Schmidt has all the sympathy in the world for Warren Gatland’s plight even while sending his old New Zealand friend and foe ever closer to the exit door as Wales coach.

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Amid the satisfaction of a job well done, Wallabies boss Schmidt evidently also felt just a bit pained in inflicting the crushing 52-20 victory on his old sparring partner in Cardiff, a drubbing that left Welsh rugby agonising over the wreckage of a record-breaking 11th straight Test defeat.

It also left 61-year-old Gatland cutting an oddly melancholic figure as he mixed a defiant protestation that he was willing to fight for his job with an almost resigned shrug that he was happy to go along with whatever his WRU paymasters decided.

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Asked if he could feel for his fellow Kiwi, Schmidt said: “Yeah, absolutely.

“We were talking before the game, we both shrugged our shoulders at the end of it, and said, ‘Who’d wanna be a coach?'”

Well, Gatland apparently still does. The man who once oversaw the best winning streak in the 143-year history of the Welsh national team – 14 in 2018-19 – may now also own the worst sequence, but some things never change.

“Absolutely, I’d be prepared to fight for my job … I do it because I love being involved in the game,” Gatland said.

“I have so many good memories with Wales and am incredibly proud of what we’ve achieved. It’s challenging. I’m only human so I ask myself if it’s the right thing to do. But I’m happy doing it.”

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With one match left in his November campaign, the most daunting of the lot against world champions South Africa next week, one more drubbing like Sunday’s looks as much a probability as more Gatland-beating from the Welsh media.

“It’s the most challenging time, there’s no doubt about that, and what will be will be,” he sighed.

“I am passionate about Welsh rugby but there’s a lot of negativity around the game right now. I want the best decision to be made about Welsh rugby. I will respect the decision and if that means me (going), I’m comfortable with that.”

Gatland did offer his resignation amid the losing streak after their Six Nations blowout, but amid this transitional period for a team that’s lost so many of its old luminaries to retirement, the real question in Wales remains: could anyone else do any better?

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“It’s tough,” said a sympathetic Schmidt, who felt the Welsh performance had been far better than the 32-point margin suggested.

“It’s tough for the Welsh players at the moment. I could see how hard they were working, the way they built their way back into the game at 19-13. That’s admirable stuff … and they probably just needed a couple of breaks to go their way.”

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That is completely untrue. The broadcaster controlling the big screen shows whatever they want completely independent of the referee or TMO. When the referee requested to see something on the big screen, the broadcaster controls it, not the TMO. The TMO does not control the TV replays in these games. I went to the ABs game in Paris in 2024 and the big screen was constantly showing replays of ABs infringements. Not once did they show anything the other way. Likewise I went to France vs Ireland earlier this year and France won convincingly but honestly the big screen at the ground was worth 14 points for France. I was a neutral for that game, and in fact probably cheering for France, but it was disgraceful. Totally fair if it works both ways in the same game, but siting an example from 15 years ago seems a bit desperate. I am saying the call was right. Roigard was offside. But if only one team benefits from constant replays, regardless of which team is benefiting, then it is unfair. Where are the replays of Marx crawling over the try line? - not shown at all at the ground. How painful was it to get the replay of the high shot on Barrett? Listen to it over again, the TMO had to keep requesting different angles, it was not freeze framed at any point, and it was not shown live at the ground after the incident. The only reason it was checked is because Barrett didn’t get up afterwards. Defend it all you like while it benefits you I guess.

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