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The Andy Goode 'no in-between' theory on Wasps' inconsistencies
Ex-England international Andy Goode has shared his thoughts on why his former club Wasps are languishing in ninth place in the Gallagher Premiership and face missing out on qualification for next season’s Heineken Champions Cup. Three points behind London Irish, Lee Blackett’s side need a win at leaders Leicester in their final match on June 4 if they are to leapfrog the Exiles and clinch that final berth for Europe’s top tournament.
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Beaten on May 14 at Lyon in the semi-finals of the Challenge Cup, Wasps wrapped up their home programme in the Premiership with a disappointing 16-7 defeat to Sale in Coventry last Friday. That was a setback that Goode watched unfold in person as he was working in the ground that night as part of the club’s corporate entertainment sector.
Having had a few days to chew on the result, Goode has now shared his thoughts on the latest edition of The Rugby Pod about Wasps’ inconsistencies this season and about the squad overhaul for next season which includes the departure of Malakai Fekitoa, the former All Backs midfielder to Munster, and the arrival of Vincent Koch, the World Cup-winning Springboks tighthead.
“I was chatting to a few lads at the game and I have said it for a few weeks on air, they are either really, really good or they are absolutely shocking, there is no in-between, there is no middle of the road so it is hard to put your finger on it really why they have been so inconsistent but that is what they are as a squad.
“I’m sure Lee Blackett will be trying to fix things. They have got one game left to try and beat Leicester away from home, but has anyone done that this year?”
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Asked about the various player ins and outs at Wasps, Goode added: “There is a South African centre (Burger Odendaal) coming in who is a decent player but I was looking at it the other day when they announced a list of eleven players that are leaving and some big names are going. Obviously, (Jimmy) Gopperth and Fekitoa are the main two. (James) Gaskell has been a stalwart at the club for quite some time, Rob Miller as well – these two are guys that have slipped down the pecking order.
“They have been great players for the club but there are some good young players coming through and they are going to put their hopes into players like Sam Spink, who has come on leaps and bounds this year in the centre.
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“It is a money issue, it’s the salary cap and everything that goes with it but they are in the market. They have signed two brilliant tighthead props in John Ryan and Vincent Koch so there is strength in that area but in doing that you have got to lose out in other areas and you have got to rely on some of the younger guys coming through. They will bounce back but this is where they have been.
“You think back to Wasps, they had a couple of years where they had the likes of George Smith, they had Kurtley Beale, they had Willie le Roux, Danny Cipriani. They had some big-name players, they had Elliot Daly as well. The backline was ludicrous and had it not been for one player giving a really dumb penalty away in the last play of the game they would have won the Premiership final (in 2017).
“Then off the back of that, there is no sustainability when you sign that many world stars. They have then cut their wage bill, cut their cloth accordingly around what the salary cap is over the last few years and you generally end up finishing in and around what you spend and how good your players are.”
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Its a great idea but one that I dont think will have a lot of traction. It will depend om the prestige that they each hold but if you can do that it would be great. When Japan beat the Boks (my team) I was absolutely devestated but I wont deny the great game they played that day. We were outclassed and it was one of the best games of rugby I have seen. Using an idea like this you might just give the the underdog teams more of an opportunity to beat the big teams and I can absolutely see it being a brilliant display of rugby. They beat us because they planned for that game. It was a great moment for Japan. This way we can remove the 4 year wait and give teams something to aim for outside od World Cup years.
5 Go to commentsHi, Dave here. Happy to answer questions 🥰
5 Go to commentsDon’t think that headline is accurate. It’s great to see Aus doing better but I’m not sure they’ve shown much threat to the top of the table. They shouldn’t be inflating wins against the lousy Highlanders and Crusaders either.
3 Go to commentsSuch a shame Roigard and Aumua picked up long term injuries, probably the two form players in the comp. Also, pretty sure Clarke Dermody isn’t their coach. Got it half right though.
3 Go to commentsOh the Aussie media, they never learn. At least Andrew Kellaway is like “Woah, yeah it’s great, but settle down there guys” having endured years of the Aussie media, fans, and often their players getting ahead of themselves only to fall flat on their faces. Have the “We'll win the Bledisloe for sure this year!” headlines started yet? It’s simple to see what’s going on. The Aussie teams are settled, they didn't lose any of their major players overseas. The Crusaders and Chiefs lost key experienced All Blacks, and Razor in the Crusaders case, and clearly neither are anywhere near as strong as last year (The Canes and Blues would probably be 3rd & 4th if they were). The Highlanders are annually average, even more so post-Aaron Smith and a big squad clean out. The two teams at the top? The two nz sides with largely the same settled roster as last year, except Ardie Savea for the Canes. They’ve both got far better coaches now too. If the Aussies are going to win the title, this is the year the kiwi sides will be weakest, so they better take their chance.
3 Go to commentsThe World Cup has to be the gold standard, line in the sand. 113 teams compete for what is the opportunity to make the pool stages, and then the knockout games for the trophy. The concept is sound. This must have been the rationale when the World Cup was created, surely? But I’m all for Looking forward and finding new ways for the SH to dominate the NH into the future. The autumn series needs a change up. Let’s start by having the NH teams come south every odd year for the Autumn/Spring series games?
5 Go to commentsWhat’ll happen when the AI models of the future go back in time and try to destroy the AI models of the past standing in their way of certain victory?
41 Go to commentsThanks, Nick. We (Seanny Maloney, Brett and I) just discussed Charlie as a potential Wallaby No 8, and wondered if he has truly realised how big he is in contact (and whether he can add 5 kg w/o slowing down). Your scouting report confirms our suspicions he has the materiel. No one knows if he has the mentality (as Johann van Graan said this week about CJ, Duane and Alfie B) to carry 10-15 times a game.
57 Go to commentsHe would be a great player for the Stormers, Dobbo should approach the guy.
3 Go to commentsGood article. A few years back when he was playing for the Cheetahs, he was a quiet standout for exactly the seasons stated here. I occasionally get to see his games in the UK, and he has become a more complete player and in many ways like an Irish player. His work ethic is so suitable to the Leinster game. I wonder if Rassie would have him listed somewhere.
3 Go to commentsResults probably skewed by the fact that a few clubs have foreign fly halves in their 30s, but most teams have young English scrum halves. Results also likely to be skewed by the fact that many teams rely on centres and fullbacks to provide depth at 10, whereas they will need to stock a large number of specialist backup 9s.
1 Go to commentsI really get the sense that when all is said and done, the path of least resistance will end up being a merger of Wasps & Worcester that essentially kills the Worcester Warriors brand and sees Wasps permanently playing at Sixways. I’m not saying that’s what should happen or what I want to happen. I just think it’s the easiest rout to take and therefore, will be what happens. Wasps will definitely return to play first, and I suppose it all depends on if they can find support at Sixways. If people turn up and support Wasps in that community, at that ground, I bet they drop the Sevenoaks plan and just remain at Sixways. Under the radar but not totally unrelated, it looks as though London Irish are going to be brought back from the dead by a German consortium and look set to return, likely to the remade Championship. It’s set to have 12 clubs next season with 14 in 2025/26, what do you want to bet those extra 2 are Wasps and London Irish?
3 Go to commentsThe shoulder is a “joint” with multiple bones. You don’t “fracture” a shoulder, you fracture any one or more of the bones that make up a shoulder.
2 Go to commentsOh dear, bones too suspect to continue?
2 Go to commentsBold headline considering the Canes and Blues are 1 and 2 and the Brumbies were soundly beaten by the Chiefs and Blues. Biggest surprise is Rebels 4 Crusaders 12 - no one saw that coming. If Aus are improving that’s great 👍
3 Go to commentsAnna, You are right, we need to have patience whilst the others catch up to England and France. Also it is the PWR that has been the game changer for England. the RFU put money into that initially at the expense of the Red Roses. I was sceptical at first but it has paid off in spades.
1 Go to commentsI think Matt Proctor became a 1 test AB in the same fixture. Cameron is quality and has been great this season, can’t believe’s he only 27. Realistically how would he not be selected for ABs squad this year. Only Dmac is ahead of him as a specialist 10. With Jordan out, it will come down to where and when Beauden Barrett slots back in, and where they want to play Ruben Love. Cameron seems an absolute lock in for the wider squad though. Added benefit of TJ-Cameron-Jordie combination at 9, 10, 11 too.
1 Go to commentsFarcical, to what end would someone want to pay to keep this thing going.
1 Go to commentsHavili, our best 12 by a mile, will be in the squad, if he stays fit. JB is the most overrated AB in the last 50 years.
61 Go to commentsWe had during the week twilight footy, twilight cricket, tw golf plus there was the athletics club. Then the weekend was rugby 15s plus the net ball, really busy club scene back then but so much has changed and rugby has suffered. And it was all about changing lifestyles.
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