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Unconvinced Irish pundits offer one telling concession to Scotland

Rob Kearney and Finn Russell (Getty Images)

While Irish television pundits welcomed Scotland’s spectacular win over France they remained far from convinced it signals a genuine shift in the balance of power ahead of next weekend’s decisive clash in Dublin.

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The panel on Virgin Media Sport acknowledged the Scots had produced one of their finest performances of the modern era at Murrayfield, yet doubts linger about whether Gregor Townsend’s side can replicate that level when it matters most.

One admission was unavoidable though: this time it does feel different.

“Oh, I still fancy our chances,” said Ian Madigan. “I think our record over the last 11 or 12 games speaks for itself.

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“They talked themselves up back in the 2023 World Cup. We put out our best side against them and blew them away. They’ve had lots of opportunities. You think back to when we had the injury crisis, the red card, and we still found a way to beat them in Murrayfield.

“I think when the Scots get confident, that’s when they’re their own worst enemy.”

Yet there was also recognition that this Scotland side might be building something different.

“It does feel different.”

The panel also pointed to the tactical clarity behind Scotland’s dismantling of France.

“If you look at the strategy, Andrew [Trimble] touched on it. Their kick strategy today, they didn’t give the French any access. Their breakdown work, they’re the two areas that the French thrive on. Being able to turn the ball over, move the ball at speed.

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“The Scots were incredible in those areas and that was the foundation for their game, which we know their backline is their strength, moving the ball to width.

“You saw the likes of Kyle Steyn. He was exceptional again today, arguably the player of the tournament so far.

“They’re going to pose a real threat to us. They’ll be looking at how we defended last night and asking can they test the Irish defence in the wide channels. We are showing some vulnerabilities there.

“The Scottish scrum was strong today. Our [Ireland’s] scrum has struggled throughout the competition. So it is going to be a fierce contest, but it is a home game for us. I’d still be confident that we can win.”

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Andrew Trimble was less than totally convinced.

“You asked does it not feel different this year because if Scotland had beaten Italy in the first round that demonstrates the position they would be in. The fact that they got beaten by Italy demonstrates why it’s not different, because this is the Scotland that we’ve known for so long.

“They have those highs. Their ceiling is so high, but there’s a lack of consistency with them.

“Listen, this is the most compelling version of Scotland. That was, as Kearns [Rob Kearney] has said, probably the best Scottish performance we’ve ever seen. But how often do we see them get to that height, or close to that height, and then back it up the week after?

“We saw them against England and then we thought they dropped off a little bit against Wales. Granted, there’s context there around Wales.

“But if you beat them 11 years in a row it feels like if there’s anything in the balance it goes our way. There’s a mental hang-up there. There’s a hex and we have the beating of them.

“Yes, it does feel like a real live threat, but it has felt like that in the past and that’s what has brought the best out of the Irish team.”

Rob Kearney agreed that Scotland’s current form cannot be dismissed outright, even if past experience urges caution.

“I think if you’re looking at the hard light of day, you’d have to say this does feel a little bit different.”

The former Ireland and British & Irish Lions full-back believes Scotland playing ‘rotten’ in Dublin is still a very real possibility.

“But if they came to Dublin next week and produced a shocking performance, they didn’t fire a shot, we’d still be sitting here saying: same old Scotland.

“They’ve done it so many times before,” said Kearney. “We have definitely flip-flopped on the Irish performances over the last number of rounds. But if Scotland come to Dublin with that level of performance next week, we’ll get a real good test.”

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FP 4 hours ago

The result could go either way, but home advantage should make Ireland favourites. Come what may, it’s hopefully going to be a great game and whoever wins or loses, I hope it’s conducted in the best traditions of the sport.


I also hope that Virgin reconsiders its roster of experts.


I truly admire the consistency that Madigan has delivered throughout his career. To maintain his level of mediocrity is a startling achievement. His Wikipedia page may extols his playing record but he only made 4 starts for Ireland, averaging 23 minutes and 3.3 points per game - as a stand-off!?!


My Dad delivered better statistics than that over the same time period, and he died in 1995.

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Eric Elwood 2 hours ago

He is an excellent technical and strategic rugby analyst. Are you implying his purported mediocrity is also in rugby analysis? He played in the era of O’Gara/Sexton etc.

He has a long career as a club player and student of the sport clearly.

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SL 9 hours ago

Who wins this will be who gets the refereeing decisions because both infringe massively at the breakdown by going off feet, entering from the side and taking out players beyond the ruck. Both also using blocking runners in such a subtle way.

Ireland are probably just favourites because they are home.

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John Breslin 17 hours ago

They've badly misread this.


Kearney in particular was an exceptional player in his day. Some of the best positional play and reading of the game for a full back. It's bizarre that his punditry is so often utter dog shyte, as if he'd never played the game.


Scotland are entering round 5 with a championship and triple crown to play for - for the first time in the six nations era!


This is conceivably their unions biggest game this century.


If we hold them off, then we are without question back on track but we’re going into a home game as underdogs

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CM 18 hours ago

It is seriously different this time fellas. This Scotland side is the best team they have put out this century by a mile. It’s the most well rounded squad they have had this century and that is shown not only in their performances, but also the performance of Glasgow. As for Ireland, they are still a gun team, I don’t doubt that. But they aren’t the team of the last 2 to 3 years, in fact, there are signs they are in decline. Shop worn is the term they use, a lot of those Irish players have played a lot of high level rugby not just on the international stage, but also at provincial level. That takes a toll and many of them have had serious injuries to show for it. They are a good side but they aren’t the same as what they were. Ireland deserve to be favourites but this Irish side are in decline and this Scottish team are going the other way. I think Ireland can’t wait for this years tournament to end and for Scotland, they want it to keep going. Why? Because they are playing seriously good rugby and are getting better with every game. How else do you explain the pasting they gave France. I think Ireland deserve every bit of respect, but this Scotland side can beat them and actually, they can beat them quite convincingly. The times are changin, and like Jim Hamilton said, it feels like it is there time.

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Eric Elwood 2 hours ago

“But they aren’t the team of the last 2 to 3 years, in fact, there are signs they are in decline. Shop worn is the term they use, a lot of those Irish players have played a lot of high level rugby not just on the international stage, but also at provincial level.”


This chat happened post France and was answered by thumping England. A team in transition with a lot of injuries and clearly improving. I think this is Scotland’s best chance in recent years. I also think their small squad depth will hurt them after a huge match last week.

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John Breslin 17 hours ago

I think the decline of Ireland has been overstated and they are tracking well for a team in the throws of a soft rebuild


The multi-phase attack is still highly effective and I'm glad they haven't gone after hipster trends and stuck to their strengths


I'm under no illusions though. Playing well may not be enough to beat Scotland at the moment

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Kraven Knight 21 hours ago

All this Article shows is that its the Irish pundits that are up themselves. Scotland not allowed to say things like “We believe we are going to win” as apparently its disrespectful etc but you lot can drone on about how you will still win, “Look at the last” however many games etc. We get it, you have a good team. Try taking your own advice, keep your mouths shut and keep all the talking for the pitch.

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John Breslin 17 hours ago

Scottish media frequently talk big to be fair


I get your drift though. Our dominance in the fixture is irrelevant as every fixture is a new, one-off battle


Scotland should be walking tall going into his one

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Eric Elwood 21 hours ago

Wait til I get my violin!!!

Scottish pundits can and do back Scotland.

Irish pundits will tend to back Ireland.

Those guys gave several rugby reasons why Scotland might struggle. The best was the obvious decline in standard against Wales after the huge performance against England. Executing two massive performances in a row is night on impossible. Do you disagree?

I believe previous issues were Scottish coaches and players stating publicly they would beat Ireland, happenned twice in 2023 before that tactic was retired. I understand the idea was to put themselves under pressure but it was a poor idea.

The concept of designing a prefabricated “punishment” to beat yourself with if you fail as a means not to fail has backfired hilariously throughout history.

Ofcourse that warranted a joke or two! But the main criticism was from Britain including lets see…Scotland!!


Scotland’s choice to state such things, no need to misrepresent it and come all fighty on here blaming us when the inevitable egg/face situation happens after a loss.

Talk respectfully or perhaps take your own advice and keep your mouth shut especially when the brown stuff is gushing out of it?

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SB 23 hours ago

They were very smug, I would suggest the Scottish team to watch their preview on YouTube on the Virgin Media Sport channel.

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Eric Elwood 22 hours ago

They were not smug. Just honest. I am sure Scottish pundits will back Scotland. I thought Ian Madigan gave a fair and comprehensive breakdown of Scotland’s strenghts. Did you watch it?


Ireland have had to long endure the Scots (players and coaches) stating publicly about how they will beat us. Again no big deal, they felt it would help to put a marker down that they would have to back up.


Not every pundit backing their country has to be arrogant or smug. Unless you are certain there was smugness would you mind not stating so?


If the Scottish coach were to show that his players would think him a fool. If they are concerned what opponent pundits say their head is not in the right place.

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Eric Elwood 1 day ago

Scotland may have produced back to back wins in consecutive weekends. But they have not produced back to back performances.

We saw a great win over England followed the next weekend by a weak showing against Wales. They were not able to repeat the emotion and physical performance levels. If we assume this was a high against France can they repeat it a week later? I doubt it. They may not need to though.

We have seen these results vary wildly.

-If Scotland have another excellent contestable kick/regather match and scrum well, they will get a lot of access to attack Ireland. Those factors were not available in other years.

What we want to see is a full high quality test match between the two.

Ireland will look at and respect the fact that Scotland scored 40 points in 36 mins against France. They will also note that France panicked badly allowing Scotland to turn a hill to climb into an insurmountable mountain. Ireland will also note that Scotland allowed France to score 26 unanswered points in the last 20 mins. Scotland conceded 40. Scotland were trying to prevent the French bonus but couldn’t.

Ireland have always respected Scotland well and prepared accordingly.

What is different is the escort Law, the scrum, Scots now analysing all major opponents with as much thoroughness as if England, and Ireland showing vulnerability.

Ireland need to stay silent now and let the British media talk Scotland up.

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CM 18 hours ago

Hmmm, seems a bit off the mark to call it a ‘weak’ showing against Wales. I thought Wales were outstanding, certainly the stats show that up until about the 60th min mark. From there it was all Scotland, which you would expect given the difference in experience. That’s not really a valid comparison, now and then, because that was three games in a row and that is tough. Scotland really should have been given more credit for getting the win in that game but they weren’t because people don’t credit the Welsh and the improvement they have made game to game in this year’s tournament.

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