One name features heavily as England fans call for Borthwick sack

Again and again and again, it's always woeful England, never the opposition that did their homework and played well. Grow up England supporters and don't think that, because you have the largest player base and richest union that you are unbeatable. Arrogance is not attractive.

Why when rating players are the officials not rated.Angus Gardner and team favoured the Scots!

English fans were talking about world cup glory in 2027 (with Borthwich) recently and musing that holding off against facing SA til July was good implicitly because England would not be strong enough to take the no1 mantle til then.

Now they are talking about sacking Borthwich. I would suggest more indepth RUGBY analysis might help England better than the soap opera pressure inflicted on their team by media and fans?

RJB

Here is a way our idea. How about picking 15 players in the positions they play in week in week out for their club. Putting odd shaped pegs in round holes doesn't work. They might go in but tend to wobble. Just a thought.

As you reflect back on this 6 Nations, you have to ask the question, “how the heck did we beat NZ in November”? 🤣🤣🤣

I won’t comment on whether or not Borthwick should go or not (very man and his dog have beaten me to that one!). Intrigued about the comment re Scott Robertson (would not be a good move imho) regarding his situation. It’s clear that he was sacked by NZR so how is it that his termination arrangement means that he can’t take another international job for a year? Guess they must have made it very worthwhile for him to agree to that.

I don’t understand why you’re calling for blood! Now you complaining it’s late to select a coach due to the WC. However half the team who are playing won’t be playing in the World Cup so why are they playing now? Even the commentators commented about Finn and the backs getting used to each other- how can anyone when nobody plays twice in the same place. Eddie Jones did very well but the media/pundits called for blood there. The English are the worst at calling for blood with no idea why!!!

Get Jake White in. Best coach to deal with a short term role.

There’s something very clearly up with the players. If Borthwicke has lost the change room, then you don’t have much of a choice.

But what terrible, terrible timing to be looking for a new coach. Let alone appointing one with 18 months to the WC.

Not great. And a few of those English players need to have a good look at themselves and their own performances. Good players don’t look that bad, almost, overnight.

We are 18 months from a RWC and need an experienced coach that has been there before and knows how to win the big tournaments, with the best win percentage we have seen in recent years - enter stage left John Mitchell and work your magic with this squad for RWC 2027.

For me you either take the best from the Prem (Van Graan, Dowson or possibly Lam) or you get Edwards or Farrell. Robertson has no familiarity with the English game and has just been dispensed by the ABs. However Borthwick cannot continue

The RFU will successfully make a b*locks of this .. whatever happens! Maybe they should call the WRU for some advice.

Joking aside, Borthwick has to go .. and the sooner the better.

His replacement needs to understand English rugby AND have experience of international coaching. That rules out homegrown contenders like Dowson and Baxter. Scott Robertson and Jamie Joseph don’t know the English Premiership.

Surely now is the time for the RFU to open its chequebook and bring in the dream team that is Andy Farrell and Sean Edwards.

Dowson probably the best candidate from the Prem but I'm not sure it's fair or a good idea to throw another inexperienced coach into the grinder right now. England need a proper test coach to pull them out of this mess. The RFU should do everything they can to secure Farrell post-WC and do what they can to build a foundation for him until then.

Borthwick should offer to Resign and admit he has taken the team as far as he can go. The Team are disjointed have no real leadership and 15 months out from World Cup does not know his First 15. Get Shaun Edwards in as Head Coach and Clive Woodward as Chief Executive

Here we go again; another week of misery spent pouring over podcasts and analysis reports trying to find new ways to describe how crap England are under Borthwick.

My immediate take, for what it’s worth:

Shape and systems thinking has polluted Borthwick’s players minds. Everything is process and zonal: if A, then B, if B, then C, but if D is unlikely, then repeat A, but only when in Zone 2, not 3 etc. etc. No wonder players look so clueless; they’re terrified of doing anything spontaneous. It’s spreadsheet rugby designed and implemented on the basis of winning fractions and percentages.

I honestly don’t see the benefit of retaining Borthwick anymore and I think it’s starting to become clear neither do the players.

Scott Robertson, Jamie Joseph, Ronan O’Gara, Michael Cheika and Ewen McKenzie.