How the latest revelation in the North v South match goes against the very essence of the concept itself
As the return of rugby in New Zealand nears, excitement levels both domestically and abroad are building for the kick-off of next week’s Super Rugby Aotearoa.
It’s not just that competition – which will feature the presence of returning All Blacks Dan Carter and Nehe Milner-Skudder – that fans are eager for, though.
The countdown to Super Rugby Aotearoa means New Zealand Rugby is also closing in on the proposed and widely-discussed North v South clash.
Having been played on an almost annual basis over the course of 80 matches between 1897 and 1986, the inter-island match is set to be staged for just the third time since 1995 in the absence of a regular playing schedule due to the coronavirus pandemic.
NZR chief executive Mark Robinson has been publicly open about progressing discussions on how and when the event can be held, and mention of its return has created a buzz among rugby fans across the country.
“Now that we have this timeline locked in around Super Rugby, we can probably firm up around those particular fixtures, and I know the players are pretty excited around particularly the North v South game,” he told Newshub last month.
“There has been some talk around the qualification on what those two teams may look like and we will continue to work through those discussions.”
Many see great potential in this contest to install a nationwide rivalry in Kiwi footy that has rarely been seen since the game went professional.
The entire concept of New Zealand’s best players duking it out on the field so one island can hold bragging rights over the other mirrors the incentive behind Australian rugby league’s State of Origin between New South Wales and Queensland.
Both those states – from the playing, coaching and corporate ranks right through down to the each set of devoted fans – have deep-rooted despise for one another, and you only need to look at the title of the three-match series to understand why.
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The players that pull on the respective blue and maroon jerseys do so to represent where they hail from.
Whether they were born in, raised in, played their junior rugby league in, or have strong family ties to New South Wales or Queensland, the 13 players on each team are there carrying the weight of expectation from those in each state who helped them reach the pinnacles of their career.
By virtue of representing a state that they have such a sense of belonging to, others within the region who have grown up or lived in the same or nearby areas to those players become attached to the side as they too feel represented.
When both sets of teams feel that way, you can expect there to be vitriol when they meet, which makes for top-tier sporting entertainment.
State of Origin, therefore, has become one of the most hyped and best-followed sporting events in this corner of the globe, with stadiums across Australia sold out without fail and international television audiences climbing well into the millions.
If NZR’s North v South concept is supposed to mirror that of State of Origin, it’s easy to see why fans across the other side of the Tasman Sea want to see that match so badly.
But if it’s to evoke that same sense of passion and affinity that rugby league’s most heralded series can boast, the right eligibility criteria has to be in place to create a true reflection of where both sets of players come from.
In the 99 years that the North v South match regularly took place before it was ground to a halt, the selection criteria was simply based on what province players represented.
Besides the fact that the North Island has ten Mitre 10 Cup provinces to work with against the South Island’s four, that system doesn’t accurately portray where all players originate from.
For example, Canterbury’s Sam Whitelock was born and raised in the farmlands of Manawatu, while Brodie Retallick came through the ranks in Christchurch before taking an offer to move up north to Hawke’s Bay.
However, based on that old-school logic, Whitelock would don the white of the South Island and Retallick would be opposing him in the black of a North Island jersey.
Those are just two of numerous instances of players inevitably representing who they are signed with rather than where they come from, leading to prominent rugby figures to voice their opinions on how teams should be picked.
All Blacks, Highlanders and Manawatu halfback Aaron Smith was among those to offer a suggestion, recommending the highly popular idea of picking players based on where they played their 1st XV rugby in high school.
Sweet As… I reakon school be better as that truly where u from not always M10 where ur from
— Aaron Smith (@Te_Nug) April 4, 2020
Others have followed suit, with one of the most commonly suggested variations of the rule being which island players were born on.
Ex-All Blacks wing turned Hurricanes assistant coach Cory Jane offered a creative spin, saying that he would like to see the fans vote for the players on each side in similar fashion to the NBA All-Star game.
While the 23-man match day squads would be selected by the fans, Jane said that coaches would maintain the right to select who would make the starting lineup for the occasion.
How cool would it be if they play this North Vs South rugby game, that they let the Fans vote for the players to play in it ?
It could be like a NBA all star game..
The coaches coaching the teams still pick who starts the game but the Fans determine who’s in the 23 ?— Cory Jane (@CoryJane1080) May 12, 2020
It’s the comments of newly-instated All Blacks skipper Sam Cane, though, that have appeared to resonate within NZR ranks.
“I was thinking one or two options,” the 28-year-old told The Breakdown last month.
“One could be where you played your first fifteen rugby or where you played your first game of senior (club) footy.”
That latter option seems to have gained some traction, with whispers on Twitter indicating NZR have asked players to provide them with who they first played senior club rugby for.
Today players were asked to provide who they played their 1st game of senior ? for.
Wrong criteria for North vs South team eligibility imo.
D.McKenzie born in S.I, educated in S.I but went north post school and played his senior footy up there so is in the North squad? Please.— Sam Casey (@Sam_Casey4) June 3, 2020
Credit has to be given to NZR’s attempt to inject some relevancy into the club rugby scene, which has been struggling to stay afloat in certain areas of the country for quite some time now.
However, just like how using what province a player is signed with isn’t a true reflection of where they originate from, the same can be said for basing North v South selection based on their first senior club.
NZME‘s Sam Casey highlighted how South Island born-and-raised Damian McKenzie would be lost to the North Island under such circumstances, and the same would happen with fellow South Islanders Anton Lienert-Brown and Atu Moli.
The South Island’s loss of the trio would be nullified, though, considering the sheer influx of playing talent that would head their way under such criteria.
McKenzie’s exit would be suitably filled by Jordie Barrett, who – despite being born, raised, educated and now signed with Taranaki – would turn out for the South after playing for Lincoln University in the Canterbury competition on a rugby scholarship straight out of school.
Barrett would be joined by elder brother Scott, who also linked up with Lincoln immediately after leaving Francis Douglas Memorial College in New Plymouth.
He would partner up in the second row with Whitelock, who is another Lincoln University product, as is North Island born-and-bred midfielder Jack Goodhue.
The Whangarei-born, Auckland-educated All Blacks star could form an all-Crusaders midfield with Braydon Ennor, who is an Aucklander at heart, but would only be South eligible after turning out for the University club in Christchurch.
The list goes on: Codie Taylor, Nepo Laulala, George Bridge, Brad Weber, Tyrel Lomax, Gareth Evans, Dillon Hunt and Josh Ioane are other All Blacks with strong, definitive ties to the North who would ultimately have to play for the South if senior club rugby was the determining selection factor.
There’s no doubt that a South Island team with all these players would make them a far competitive side than if selection was just left to where a player was born or schooled.
It’s those two factors, though, that would give a North v South encounter the authenticity to emulate the passion, tribalism and fanfare that is seen in State of Origin.
Without that authenticity, that connection to the fans – who want to see players represent the islands that they share in calling home – is diminished, which would go against the entire point of reinstalling the match in the first place.
The competitiveness of both sides to make an entertaining spectacle is important, there’s no question about that.
But, so is ensuring that both islands have the right players on the park based on where they’re actually from, not where they first played the moment they left their regions of origin after school.
It’s up to NZR to determine which aspect of the North v South concept is regarded the most important.
Potential 30-man North v South squads based on first senior club:
North Island
Hookers: Asafo Aumua (Avalon, Wellington), Dane Coles (Marist St Pats, Wellington), Nathan Harris (Te Puke Sports, Bay of Plenty)
Props: Atu Moli (University, Waikato), Aidan Ross (Te Puke Sports, Bay of Plenty), Angus Ta’avao (Eden, Auckland), Karl Tu’inukuafe (Takapuna, North Harbour), Ofa Tu’ungafasi (Grammar TEC, Auckland)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Central, Hawke’s Bay), Tom Robinson (Kerikeri, Northland), Patrick Tuipulotu (Ponsonby, Auckland)
Loose Forwards: Sam Cane (Tauranga, Bay of Plenty), Vaea Fifita (Wellington, Wellington), Luke Jacobson (Hautapu, Waikato), Dalton Papalii (Pakuranga United, Auckland), Ardie Savea (Oriental-Rongotai, Wellington), Hoskins Sotutu (Marist, Auckland)
Halfbacks: TJ Perenara (Northern United, Wellington), Aaron Smith (Fielding Yellows, Manawatu), Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (New Plymouth Old Boys, Taranaki)
First-Fives: Beauden Barrett (Coastal, Taranaki), Otere Black (College Old Boys, Manawatu), Aaron Cruden (College Old Boys, Manawatu)
Midfielders: Vince Aso (Ponsonby, Auckland), Ngani Laumape (Kia Toa, Manawatu), Anton Lienert-Brown (University, Waikato)
Outside Backs: Rieko Ioane (Ponsonby, Auckland), Damian McKenzie (University, Waikato), Nehe Milner-Skudder (Varsity, Manwatu), Sevu Reece (Melville, Waikato)
South Island
Hookers: Liam Coltman (Alhambra-Union, Otago), Ricky Riccitelli (Southern, Otago), Codie Taylor (Sydenham, Canterbury)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Sydenham, Canterbury), Daniel Lienert-Brown (High School Old Boys, Canterbury), Tyrel Lomax (Stoke, Tasman), Joe Moody (Lincoln University, Canterbury), Siate Tokolahi (Sydenham, Canterbury)
Locks: Scott Barrett (Lincoln University, Canterbury), Pari Pari Parkinson (Stoke, Tasman), Quinten Strange (Nelson, Tasman), Sam Whitelock (Lincoln University, Canterbury)
Loose Forwards: Tom Christie (Christchurch, Canterbury), Gareth Evans (Dunedin, Otago), Shannon Frizell (Marist, Tasman), Cullen Grace (Lincoln University, Canterbury), Dillon Hunt (University, Otago)
Halfbacks: Mitchell Drummond (High School Old Boys, Canterbury), Ere Enari (Lincoln University, Canterbury), Brad Weber (Dunedin, Otago)
First-Fives: Dan Carter (Southbridge, Canterbury), Josh Ioane (Southern, Otago), Richie Mo’unga (Linwood, Canterbury)
Midfielders: Braydon Ennor (University, Canterbury), Jack Goodhue (Lincoln University, Canterbury), Alex Nankivell (Stoke, Tasman)
Outside Backs: Jordie Barrett (Lincoln University, Canterbury), George Bridge (High School Old Boys, Canterbury), David Havili (Nelson, Tasman), Will Jordan (Christchurch, Canterbury)
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The rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
65 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
2 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
1 Go to commentsexcellent idea ! rugby needs this 💪
9 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
12 Go to commentsI like this, but ultimately rugby already has enough trophies. Trying to make more games “consequential" might prove to be a fools errand, although this is a less bad idea than some others. Minor quibble with the title of the article; it isn’t very meaningful to say the boks are the unofficial world champions when it would be functionally impossible for the Raeburn trophy not to be held by the world champions. There’s a period of a few months every 4 years when there is no “unofficial” world champion, and the Raeburn trophy is held by the actual world champions.
9 Go to commentsIts a great idea but one that I dont think will have a lot of traction. It will depend on the prestige that they each hold but if you can do that it would be great. When Japan beat the Boks (my team) I was absolutely devestated but I wont deny the great game they played that day. We were outclassed and it was one of the best games of rugby I have seen. Using an idea like this you might just give the the underdog teams more of an opportunity to beat the big teams and I can absolutely see it being a brilliant display of rugby. They beat us because they planned for that game. It was a great moment for Japan. This way we can remove the 4 year wait and give teams something to aim for outside of World Cup years.
9 Go to commentsHi, Dave here. Happy to answer questions 🥰
9 Go to commentsDon’t think that headline is accurate. It’s great to see Aus doing better but I’m not sure they’ve shown much threat to the top of the table. They shouldn’t be inflating wins against the lousy Highlanders and Crusaders either.
3 Go to commentsSuch a shame Roigard and Aumua picked up long term injuries, probably the two form players in the comp. Also, pretty sure Clarke Dermody isn’t their coach. Got it half right though.
3 Go to commentsOh the Aussie media, they never learn. At least Andrew Kellaway is like “Woah, yeah it’s great, but settle down there guys” having endured years of the Aussie media, fans, and often their players getting ahead of themselves only to fall flat on their faces. Have the “We'll win the Bledisloe for sure this year!” headlines started yet? It’s simple to see what’s going on. The Aussie teams are settled, they didn't lose any of their major players overseas. The Crusaders and Chiefs lost key experienced All Blacks, and Razor in the Crusaders case, and clearly neither are anywhere near as strong as last year (The Canes and Blues would probably be 3rd & 4th if they were). The Highlanders are annually average, even more so post-Aaron Smith and a big squad clean out. The two teams at the top? The two nz sides with largely the same settled roster as last year, except Ardie Savea for the Canes. They’ve both got far better coaches now too. If the Aussies are going to win the title, this is the year the kiwi sides will be weakest, so they better take their chance.
3 Go to commentsThe World Cup has to be the gold standard, line in the sand. 113 teams compete for what is the opportunity to make the pool stages, and then the knockout games for the trophy. The concept is sound. This must have been the rationale when the World Cup was created, surely? But I’m all for Looking forward and finding new ways for the SH to dominate the NH into the future. The autumn series needs a change up. Let’s start by having the NH teams come south every odd year for the Autumn/Spring series games?
9 Go to commentsWhat’ll happen when the AI models of the future go back in time and try to destroy the AI models of the past standing in their way of certain victory?
41 Go to commentsThanks, Nick. We (Seanny Maloney, Brett and I) just discussed Charlie as a potential Wallaby No 8, and wondered if he has truly realised how big he is in contact (and whether he can add 5 kg w/o slowing down). Your scouting report confirms our suspicions he has the materiel. No one knows if he has the mentality (as Johann van Graan said this week about CJ, Duane and Alfie B) to carry 10-15 times a game.
57 Go to commentsHe would be a great player for the Stormers, Dobbo should approach the guy.
3 Go to commentsGood article. A few years back when he was playing for the Cheetahs, he was a quiet standout for exactly the seasons stated here. I occasionally get to see his games in the UK, and he has become a more complete player and in many ways like an Irish player. His work ethic is so suitable to the Leinster game. I wonder if Rassie would have him listed somewhere.
3 Go to commentsResults probably skewed by the fact that a few clubs have foreign fly halves in their 30s, but most teams have young English scrum halves. Results also likely to be skewed by the fact that many teams rely on centres and fullbacks to provide depth at 10, whereas they will need to stock a large number of specialist backup 9s.
2 Go to commentsI really get the sense that when all is said and done, the path of least resistance will end up being a merger of Wasps & Worcester that essentially kills the Worcester Warriors brand and sees Wasps permanently playing at Sixways. I’m not saying that’s what should happen or what I want to happen. I just think it’s the easiest rout to take and therefore, will be what happens. Wasps will definitely return to play first, and I suppose it all depends on if they can find support at Sixways. If people turn up and support Wasps in that community, at that ground, I bet they drop the Sevenoaks plan and just remain at Sixways. Under the radar but not totally unrelated, it looks as though London Irish are going to be brought back from the dead by a German consortium and look set to return, likely to the remade Championship. It’s set to have 12 clubs next season with 14 in 2025/26, what do you want to bet those extra 2 are Wasps and London Irish?
3 Go to commentsThe shoulder is a “joint” with multiple bones. You don’t “fracture” a shoulder, you fracture any one or more of the bones that make up a shoulder.
2 Go to commentsOh dear, bones too suspect to continue?
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