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Dalton Papalii's departure does hurt the All Blacks and this is why

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On the surface, it seems mutually beneficial that Blues captain Dalton Papalii has decided to end his New Zealand career and head offshore, signing a deal in the Top 14 with Castres.

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Papalii was no longer earning All Black selection, he’s earned his market value through nearly a decade of service to New Zealand, and now is the time to cash in with a big contract.

Yet losing Papalii is another loose forward now ineligible for the All Blacks due to NZR’s eligibility rules. The Blues openside joins Super Rugby championship-winning teammates Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu, who will move to Newcastle Red Bulls, in a similar situation.

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Papalii is just 27 years old, Sotutu is 28, and Akira Ioane is now 30. There is an argument to be made that NZR’s eligibility rules are harmful when it comes to specific position groups, the loose forwards being one of them.

In the modern game, battle-hardened back rowers tend to mature and peak through the early 30s.

The 2015 All Blacks had a back row of Jerome Kaino, then 32, Richie McCaw, 34, and Kieran Read, 30. It was complete as a unit, with the cumulative experience a massive asset. A similar combination has not really been found since, while selection at the blindside position in particular has been troublesome.

New Zealand has been losing a lot of depth in the loose forwards just as players like Papalii reach their highest value in their late 20s. Regardless of whether they are currently in the All Blacks set-up or not, the churn-and-burn approach in this position group is not optimal. It reduces depth, which is key for winning Rugby World Cups.

The closest solution to Kaino at blindside has been Shannon Frizell, who from 2022-23 became the ‘missing piece’ and transformed the All Blacks with the Sam Cane and Ardie Savea loose forward combination. His win rate when starting with the All Blacks was exceptionally high, above the actual rate at the time.

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Just as Frizell became the solution, he departed for Japan on a three-year deal with Toshiba Brave Lupus Tokyo. Frizell is currently 32, in the prime of his career.

The All Blacks in 2025 went back to square one at No.6 with the Chiefs’ Simon Parker, a 25-year-old. Parker is a phenomenal prospect who will continue to grow and get better, but he’s not at the peak of his powers. When he comes off his new contract at 28, will he also be lost just as he is hitting his straps?

To compare with the Springboks, who have access to every player globally that is South African, this is a big factor that has swung the balance of power back to the Springboks.

One example is Jasper Wiese, the hothead No.8 who debuted during the British & Irish Lions tour five years ago and has been in and out of favour since. He is a walking liability, or was a walking liability, when it came to discipline despite his talent.

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But in 2025, at 30-years-old he found his best form and added much to the Bok pack as a powerful ball-carrying weapon. Had he been ineligible and forgotten about, left to play out his years in Japan, the Springboks would have been worse off last year. He proved to be their most in-form forward.

He’s the same age as Akira Ioane, who possesses a special frame and size that is built for international rugby. Ioane is lost to the All Blacks in a position that has been troublesome, just like Frizell.

There is chatter in some corners that the Highlanders’ Sean Withy is pushing for All Black honours. Another 25-year-old, who would, in all likelihood, be eaten alive by the physicality of the more mature Springbok pack.

Blooding Withy would be throwing him into the deep end. It might pay off down the line once he’s accustomed to the international level, but that’s the point. The All Blacks are continually going back to square one in the loose forwards after losing depth from players who offer the most value.

Hoskins Sotutu’s second-to-last All Black Test start in 2022 against the Wallabies in Melbourne wasn’t his best. But you know, he was only 24 years old.

In 2024, he was Super Rugby’s most dominant player, the undisputed ‘MVP’ and propelled the Blues to their first championship in over 20 years. That season by Sotutu was special and indicated he had gone to another level.

He was ‘surplus to requirements’ for Robertson’s All Blacks, but who knows what Sotutu could still offer. Like Wiese, to write him off at 27 is ridiculous. His best rugby is coming over the next five years, should he be in the right environment.

No one can begrudge the players for leaving if financial forces are at play. They need to maximise their earnings from their short time playing, but this is no doubt harming the All Blacks more than ever before.

When international careers were largely over in the late 20s, the eligibility rules worked. Now, players are peaking into their early 30s, and New Zealand is behind the eight ball. The players are reaching the point of a deserved payday, but the New Zealand market can’t provide it for all.

The downstream impact is felt at Super Rugby level. The Blues would well and truly be in the mix for another Super Rugby title if they had kept all three of the back rowers around for their best years. Losing just one, Akira Ioane, derailed their back-to-back aspirations.

With the All Blacks, the evidence is clear on how much experience is needed at Test level in the 23-man game.

Over Scott Robertson’s tenure, the All Blacks looked their best when they had a strong, experienced bench full of veterans to close out games. In 2024, on the end-of-year tour, they had the likes of Ofa Tu’ungafasi, Patrick Tuipulotu, Asafo Aumua, Samipeni Finua, Cam Roigard, Damian McKenzie and Anton Lienert-Brown on the bench. They beat England, handled Ireland and were one point off beating a full-strength France.

When Razor’s All Blacks collapsed with second-half meltdowns, the bench was very green with young, inexperienced players. In the seven losses under Robertson, the All Blacks led at half-time in six of them. In the other loss, the game was drawn at 40 minutes. In one, they even had a double-digit lead heading into the final quarter.

The bench simply wasn’t up to standard and did not have the necessary experience or ability to close out games. Having a full slate of capped players available would definitely change the playing field.

Could the likes of Dalton Papalii, Akira Ioane, Hoskins Sotutu, and Shannon Frizell help the All Blacks win in 2027? The answer is yes.

An age-based threshold to the eligibility rules could solve this problem. It is clear that NZR can’t afford to keep the capped All Blacks who end up on the periphery, but who could add valuable depth. They are leaving anyway, but taking something valuable with them; their prime.

An age-based threshold where overseas-based players can be picked for the All Blacks over the age of 30 prevents many from leaving too early, and opens the door for many to continue when it suits NZR.

By that age, the seasoned pros benefit from the overseas competition, they understand their own conditioning needs and responsibilities, and can bring into the All Blacks valuable overseas experience.

Looking back at the career of Isaia Toeava is interesting. A prodigious talent whose international career was short-lived from 2005 to 2011. He left New Zealand at age 25.

Through the 2010s, there wasn’t a need for Toeava. The All Blacks went pretty well without him. But he had an incredible career after that, playing until 2022, a full 11 years after his last All Black Test. He became one of European rugby’s best players at Clermont.

The 2020s are very different from the 2010s. There is a very clear need for players like Toeava in certain positions, and to ignore a potential solution for them means the All Blacks won’t be exploring every avenue for getting back to the top.

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Bruiser 44 days ago

Big loss. He should be in AB squad….best defensive backrower in NZ. Perfect off the bench in last 20

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JW 44 days ago

I like his work rate more than his impact.

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Ed the Duck 45 days ago

There is nothing to prevent NZ selecting any eligible player, regardless of where they play. If the team needs them then do it. Wrap it up in whatever guise you wish, be it caps, age, sabbatical, approval to leave, special exception; it doesn’t matter. Just do the right thing for the team and delivering the win. Tying yourselves in knots for principles that seriously harm your game just isn’t worth it. The tectonic plates have shifted and swift adaptability is the name of the game now.

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JW 44 days ago

Just do the right thing for the team

What is that though?

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SC 45 days ago

Stop bringing logic and common sense into the conversation.


Just because South Africa has a common sense policy that acknowledges the financial reality of the current world does not mean the rest of us have to.


And stop winning world cups and showing off your incredible player depth while your at it.

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Jacque 45 days ago

To be honest NZ RUGBY is in a SHAMBLES. Have been since 2024 & won’t be getting better any time soon. Playing are leaving NZ & looking after themselfs & families.

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PB 45 days ago

Apparently Capt. Kirk, the caped hero is here to save NZR!

From where I sit, he has plunged NZR into a black hole, pun intended.

I know many desperate souls in NZ are applauding his actions, I think his rash decisions are still going to cost the AB’s dearly.

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JW 45 days ago

I’d want to select Brodie Retallick.


Dalton was also the reason Du'Plessis had such a standout season, he sets that sort of bar and consistency. He could also go on now to surpass Kirifis form in Super Rugby and go to South Africa ahead (realistically alongside) of him.


That is the advantage having a home selection policy brings.


Much of the points you raise in counter are rubbish.


This discussion will go nowhere until intelligent discussions start happening, not hyperbole.

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JW 44 days ago

While I’m making this point Youtube showed Rassies shape of the games videos for me and it’s very pertinent how this likes of him and his staff are having good discussions and are reforming their views on rugby and other perspectives.


It starts of very naive from Rassies pov, with his statements, but you can see him forming new opinions as the video goes on, some hyperbole used but the right intent to get intelligent discussions by the end of it I imagine.


I’m not sure it served the purpose he originally intended giving his and the team time to cause of enlightening the viewers will be very valuable to improving the quality of feedback in rugby, because it does have some varied and distinction origins around the world.

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Blackmania 45 days ago

The rule is going to change. The NZR will be forced to change it. Before the 2027 Rugby World Cup, or after?


In practice, making players ineligible for national selection if they move overseas does not prevent them from leaving. So what is the point of this rule today?


And in reality, the level of Super Rugby is declining… so what is the point of this rule?


Moreover, the All Blacks are effectively shooting themselves in the foot by refusing to select offshore players… so what is the point of this rule?


From an economic perspective, selecting players based abroad would allow NZR to save money, since those players are paid by their foreign clubs! So what is the point of this rule?


Today, it serves no purpose — it’s lose, lose, lose, lose.


NZR will have to quickly consider an option for certain players playing overseas, depending on their number of caps and their age.


Kirk is a pragmatist. I think it’s going to happen.

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SC 45 days ago

The irony of Kirk firing Razor and the opening up eligibility to overseas players. Lol

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JW 45 days ago

Kirk so far to me seems like that type of guy, agreed.


The future of the game in NZ lies in the domestic game though, that’s what you need to prioritise.

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SK 45 days ago

Problem with the All Blacks is that the grass always seems greener on the other side, or so thats what many think. They are always selecting young players over experience. Even now at least 2 or 3 newly capped or fairly new loose forwards from round 1 are being talked about in glowing terms like they are All Black prospects and maybe they get their chance this season. meanwhile experienced players with immense quality are sidelined for someone new and fresh and just when they are peaking and could be invaluable squad players they sign contracts overseas and are lost to the system. What a shame

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JW 45 days ago

You don’t want yourself some Torian Barnes?

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SC 45 days ago

Set a requirement for all NZ players to play 7 years of Super Rugby under a full contract (excludes WTS contracts) and after 7 seasons a player may be selected for All Blacks if they play overseas (regardless if they have been capped or not).


Most NZ players earn their first full contract at 21 or 22 which means you have them playing in NZ until 28 or 29. Then, when their market value is at its highest, they can go play in Europe or Japan and let their clubs pay them big money while NZ can use the money saved for grass roots and development.


Plus, let’s face it, after 7 seasons of Super Rugby, a veteran player grows stale and needs a new challenge to improve and grow as a player.

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SK 45 days ago

virtually every experienced All Black would be eligible for this right now. Savea, Barretts, maybe half the current squad. Would that not diminish SRP? What about journeyman players who often only get their debuts at 27-30 which is often the case with props or players who make their debut at 18-20 and then will leave at 25-27 when they are at their peak value. They could play 7 seasons and then go even though they bring crowds in, add value and help with the younger players

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JB 45 days ago

Hard to argue with most of this. The issue isn’t losing fringe players, it’s losing prime age loose forwards just as they’re hitting their most complete phase. Modern Test rugby rewards 28–32-year-olds in the back row, decision-making, discipline, repeat collisions, late-game composure and NZ keeps resetting the clock.

Eligibility rules made sense when peaks came earlier, but the game has changed. Comparing it to South Africa is the killer point: being able to reselect a 30-year-old who’s finally put it all together is a massive competitive edge. NZ are effectively taxing themselves out of experience.

An age-based threshold feels like a sensible compromise. It wouldn’t open the floodgates, but it would stop bleeding depth in positions where depth actually wins World Cups.

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SC 45 days ago

Very well said.

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JW 45 days ago

NZRs policy is slow to react, but if that 30 yo is really worth and not just a one season wonder that will now hinder South Africa’s WC run, then they will just sign him back to NZ like they have done with Frizell.


Agreed on age thing, you have the think sabbaticals are the first think that will have to become multi year. and the next step after that is signing players to a sabbatical from overseas (like they have done with Beauden Barrett). So you get to test said player for ABXV etc and then when you’re able to come to the negotiation table to bring them home you can make a competitive offer.

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GodOfFriedChicken 45 days ago

For a bit of a devil’s advocate sort of position, what if NZR actively encouraged sabbaticals or excursions to other countries a bit more? With the provision that players come back to their SR teams for at least a few years or in the build up to a World Cup.


I’ve historically been against it but with SR’s style becoming increasingly homogenized with South Africa leaving, I’m wondering if it could be a benefit to encourage more and more top players (especially forwards) to do a year in Europe or even South Africa to better acclimate to a different style that they could bring back to NZ and SR. I’d prefer that the majority of the team was based in SR for the sake of building combinations but perhaps it could be a way of better developing test players in an ever changing test environment.

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GM 45 days ago

Good article. We need a conveyor belt of loose forwards to cover the loss of tough, experienced players like Papali’i, Frizzell etc.

Kirk’s already proven he’s no fool and won’t sit on his hands if he thinks something’s not working. If we’re losing these players in their prime anyway, why not tweak the rules along the lines of the Oz Giteau rule: number of tests,/number of Super games/ age, so that i) older players can go and earn big money and experience overseas and ii) NZR can get some very expensive and not-always-good-value assets off its books, and iii) has therefor more money available to keep the promising young players here. If, for instance, someone like Beauden Barrett could go to Japan, and still be available if needed, that would benefit both parties.

If we look at the 23 Australia could put together for next year’s RWC, we should be spooked into doing something before the end of this year.

What about an across-the-board one-off RWC amnesty for all NZ players around the world? With the rider that post the RWC, NZR will put something more coherent in place.

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JW 45 days ago

Imagine no Super Rugby team having to accommodate Ma’a Nonu. Let him player anywhere he likes and just own it in a black jersey. Win win.

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Carpet Monkey 45 days ago

Kirk won't sit on his hands?

Do his hands even reach his bum?


Thats a joke so hold back

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dk 45 days ago

Good article. Another example is Bryce Heem. In my opinion he was our best midfielder in 2023. I would have definitely picked him for the WC squad. He returned a very different player from when he left, if I recall correctly, as a 7s specialist. It’ll be interesting to see whether Sotutu grows as you suggest. He’s, understandably, looked disinterested since not getting selected in 2024. Hopefully he’ll start afresh in the UK. We’ll see if he does and perhaps comes back to haunt the All Blacks.

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SB 45 days ago

This is actually a good article. Players can often come of age once they get older. For French players however, with the intensity of the club schedule it can be the oppose. For example Alldritt is experiencing a burnout and he is only 28. This would not happen to a player in Japan or Super Rugby who is more focussed on their test career.


were one point off beating a full-strength France.

This is a nice statement that sounds good but isn’t true. France missed 4 key starters who then helped them win the 6N later that season. Atonio, Cros, Ntamack and Penaud. Also Baille was missing, a key bench piece. So it was more like a three quarter strength French side, rather than full strength.


I think it’s clear now that the overseas rule hurts the All Blacks and also England too. I do wonder when/if it will ever change.

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JW 45 days ago

Lol it has always hurt them, it just didn’t matter too much before.

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GodOfFriedChicken 45 days ago

Also, Papali’i tends to fall into the background a bit more because he’s never been an outstanding ball runner, but he shows up big on the defensive side of the ball and in breakdowns, seemingly getting at least 1 turnover or forcing a breakdown penalty in every game in the black jersey. Wasn’t helped when he was paired up with Blackadder who lurks in the backline more instead of getting in breakdowns, leaving Dalton to get there instead.


His ball running improved a lot though after playing for Counties and the ABs XV and he showed he can cover 6-8 so he was the sort of bench forward that could’ve been of great value for the ABs last year (vs Kirifi who played well in SR but can only cover 7).

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