The British & Irish & Kiwi & Aussie & Everyone Else Lions 2017 Squad
Now the Lions squad has been announced, Jamie Wall calls for an immediate truce in any possible impending media battle over where players were born – and who they should play for
Good news for NZ rugby fans. If you’re from Wellington, Auckland and Tauranga, you can claim a bit of representation in the British & Irish Lions. Those decidedly non-UK cities in New Zealand will all be represented through Mako Vunipola, Ben Te’o, Jared Payne, who were all born in the Land of the Long White Cloud.
Meanwhile, residents of Sydney, Australia, and George, South Africa, have Billy Vunipola and CJ Stander as their local representation when they stride onto the field in the scarlet red of the tourists.
This is nothing new. British rugby is littered with examples of players who aren’t originally from the countries they’re representing. In fact, the first official British Isles tour to New Zealand featured a New Zealander by birth. They used to come in from all over the old empire, and sometimes from outside as well – probably the most famous try in an English jersey was scored by a Russian prince.
Fast forward to now and you’ve even got a guy who played for and against the Lions in the space of just four years.
So why does the English media keep getting on New Zealand’s back about stealing players from the Pacific?
It is a pretty tired piece of rugby rhetoric that needs to be put to rest, along with bringing back rucking and French unpredictability. We get the need for your need to sell newspapers, but really, we don’t need this debate in our lives anymore – especially because the New Zealand media seem determined to jump on any mention of the subject like Richie McCaw onto the side of a ruck.
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If it means that much, yes, we admit it. Even though the vast majority of Polynesians who live in New Zealand do so for employment or family reasons, there are a few who have been brought here specifically to play rugby. Some are pretty good too, and they’ve ended up in a black jersey.
So there, we’ll meet the Northern Hemisphere critics in the middle. All they have to do is admit they’ve been doing it for their entire history, as well, and we can both forget about it. After all, by that logic the Pacific Island sides have been ‘raiding’ New Zealand for talent for years as well. We’re all in the same boat.
Take Ben Te’o, for example. The new Lion has come via the Wests Tigers, South Sydney Rabbitohs, Brisbane Broncos, Queensland Origin and Toa Samoa teams. None of which are in England; none of which even play rugby union.
Then there’s Jared Payne, a guy who probably would’ve been an All Black if his career hadn’t overlapped with Ben Smith. He even played a major role in Ireland’s famous victory last year in Chicago over the team he might’ve played for. Did it rate a mention here? Not at all.
So come on England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. We know you keep the door open at all times for any Johnny Foreigner whose packed his boots for his OE. Just, maybe, acknowledge where you got them from and maybe don’t be so nasty when someone who wasn’t born in New Zealand pulls on a black jersey.
Oh, except Dylan Hartley. You can claim rights to him as long for as you like.
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The value he brought to the crusaders as an assistant was equal to what he got out of being there. He reflected not only on the team culture but also the credit he attributed to the rugby community. Such experience shouldn’t be overlooked.
3 Go to commentsGood luck Aussie
10 Go to commentssmith at 9 / mounga 10 / laumape 12 / fainganuku 14
45 Go to commentsBar the injuries, it’s pretty much their top team …
2 Go to commentsDon’t disagree with much of this but it appears you forgot Rodda and Beale, who started at the Force on the weekend.
10 Go to commentsExcept for the injured Zach Gallagher this would be Saders best forward pack for the season. Blackadder needs to stay at 7, for all of Christies tackling he is not dominant and offers very little else. McNicholfullback is maybe a good option, Fihaki not really upto it, there was a reason Burke played there last year. Maybe Havilli to 2nd five McLeod to wing. Need a strong winger on 1 side to compliment Reece
1 Go to commentsTo me TJ is clearly the best 9 in the competition right now but he's also a proven player off the bench, there's few playmaking players who can come off the bench as calm and settled as he is, Beauden can, TJ can and I doubt any of the scrumhalves in contention can, if they want to experiment with new 9s I want him on the bench ready to step in if they crumble under the pressure. The Boks put their best front row on the bench, I'd like to see us take a similar approach, the Hurricanes have been doing similar things with players like Kirifi.
45 Go to commentsROG has better chance to win a WC if he starts training and make himself eligible as a player. He won’t make the Ireland squad but I reckon he may get close with Namibia (needs to improve his Afrikaans) or Portugal. Both sides had 1000:1 odds to win the RWC in 2023 which is an improvement on ROG’s odds of winning a RWC as a coach. Unlike Top 14 teams, national teams can’t go shopping and buy the best players - you work with the available talent pool and turn them into world beaters.
3 Go to commentsthat backline nope that backline is terrible why would you have sevu Reece when he’s not even top 5 wingers in the comp why have Blackadder when there’s better players no Scott barret isn’t an automatic the guy is more of a liability than anything why have him there when you have samipeni who’s far far better
45 Go to commentsAh, good to find you Nick. Agree with everything about Cale. So much to like about his game
51 Go to commentsNot too bad. Questions at 6, lock and HB for me. The ABs will be a lot stronger once Jordan and Roigard return. Also, work needs to be made to secure Frizzell back for next season and maybe also Mo’unga; they’re just wasting time playing in japan
45 Go to commentsOn the title, i wonder for many of those people it is a case something like a belief in working smarter, not harder?
1 Go to commentsForget Sotutu. One of those whose top level is Super Rugby. Id take a punt on Wallace Sititi Finau ahead of Glass body Blackadder.
45 Go to commentsI’m a pensioner so I've been around a bit. My opinion of SBW is he is an elite athlete and a great New Zealander and roll model. He has been to the top and knows what he's talking about. To all the negative comments regarding SBW the typical New Zealand way, cut that tall poppy down.
17 Go to commentsI'm not listening to a guy moralise over others when this is the guy who walked out mid season on Canterbury RLFC when he had a contract with them, what a hypocrite. All the Kiwis sticking up for this unprincipled individual because they can't accept justified criticism, he has zero credibility or integrity. Those praising him are a joke.
17 Go to commentsI’d put Finau at 6 instead of Blackadder but that’s the only change I’d make. Can’t wait to see who Razor picks.
45 Go to commentsTamati Williams, Codie Taylor, and Same Cane? Not sure about Hoskins Sotutu at test level. Wasn’t that impressive last season. Need a balance between experience and talent/youth.
45 Go to commentsInteresting insight. Fantastic athlete, and a genuine human being.
17 Go to commentsThey played at night in Suva last weekend and it’s an afternoon game forecast for 19 degrees in Canberra this weekend. Heat change is a non issue.
2 Go to commentsWishing Rosie a speedy recovery
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