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'Ardie is not that': Ex-All Black fed up with the selection of hybrid players

Ardie Savea, captain of New Zealand (R) and head coach Dave Rennie speak to media during the Nations Championship match between the New Zealand All Blacks and Italy at Hnry Stadium on July 11, 2026 in Wellington, New Zealand. (Photo by Fiona Goodall - FIR/Federugby via Getty Images)
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Ex-All Black halfback Justin Marshall is fed up with certain hybrid player selections and wants the All Blacks selectors to start picking a specialist No.8.

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Dave Rennie’s first loose forward trio sprung a surprise with Luke Jacobson named at openside against France, last year’s No.8 Peter Lakai selected at blindside for the first time in his career and captain Ardie Savea at No.8.

In his second Test in charge, Jacobson and Savea were again named at 7 and 8, with a new blindside in Wallace Sititi. Debutant Anton Segner came into the game at openside to replace Jacobson.

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The head coach claimed “they are just numbers” on the back of the jerseys and that the roles have little differentiation in the modern age.

Marshall disagreed and implored the selectors to go for a big bodied ball carrier like Wallace Sititi who can bend the defensive line in 10 channel.

“I want to see a genuine out-and-out No.8. Ardie is not that. He’s a hybrid,” Marshall told Sky Sport’s The Breakdown.

“In the first two test matches this year, he has not come off the back of a scrum once. Not one carry off the back. And there’s nothing more fearsome to a first five and a flanker out there, I can tell you, than a powerful No.8 coming off and all of a sudden the defence has to adjust and adapt.

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“Wallace Sititi can do that. He started to do that inaccurately, yes, because he’s a bit rusty yesterday in the Test, and that’s where the balance has got to go to.

“That’s why I want to make that back row look like that.”

Sititi played the final quarter at No.8 against Italy after captain Savea was subbed off for lock Josh Lord, with a reshuffle putting Tupou Vaa’i back on the blindside.

Marshall was not a fan of the Vaa’i blindside experiment which was first tried under Ian Foster against France in the opening game of the 2023 Rugby World Cup.

Former coach Scott Robertson tried the ploy again last July against France with Vaa’i given the No.6 jersey in Wellington.

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“In my mind, he’s a world class at lock. He was the standout player and had been for the All Blacks for a couple of years,” Marshall explained.

“That’s where his energy levels are really, really good and I think he understands the mindset of where he positionally needs to be on the field at lock.”

The issue for Marshall is the expanded role of loose forwards who have to operate out in the wide channels against outside backs.

“Loosies now is such a different role. You’ve got to distribute him much more, be able to play in the outside channels. I don’t think that’s in his DNA. Not that he can’t adjust. So for me, I’d leave him at lock,” he said.

“I would have Wallace Sititi at No.8 with Peter Lakai and Ardie Savea on the flanks. I know that’s not giving us height in the lineout, but Wallace can be used as a lineout option.”

 

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NucK 35 days ago

Ardie is and has been an 8 for years now…

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PickOllieMathisOrKeepLosing,Rob. 35 days ago

I dont see a problem. Ardie has been great at 8 for the ABs. His did a bit more ruck clearing against italy maybe but his cleans were excellent, and was still effective on the carry.

I'm sure he can explode off the back of a scrum if required.

Same with the backs. Dmac is injecting himself and making good decisions. He took control when Love was binned in the first game.

If anything, I think Lomax missed a couple of ball.playing opportunities that Tosi or Newell might not have so there’s that.

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SC 36 days ago

With the exception of 2025 season, Savea has been used almost exclusively for All blacks at 8 from 2020-2024 and was World Player of the year in 2023 playing exclusively 8.


How many tests does someone have to start a position at to become a specialist?


I think Ardie is an excellent 8 and a very poor 7 as when he wears the 7 jersey he still plays like an 8 and focuses solely on ball carrying and rarely cleans a ruck or makes a first up tackle.

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Only watch ABs 35 days ago

Rubbish!

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RD 36 days ago

Old attitudes die slowly, other than 1, 2, 3, 16, 17 and 18 the number on your jersey doesn't matter, it's just about having the right balance for your gameplan.


it's weird that people still argue that Ardie is too small for the 8 jersey when he's in practical terms stronger than any 8 out there but it also doesn't matter provided there's size elsewhere in the pack, he might be more like a typical openside but if putting the 8 jersey on him means that he can run off the back of the scrum without obviously telegraphing the move beforehand when they see he's out of position.

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sorrel 35 days ago

Even then, Exeter Chiefs have been playing DaLeaka Menin at 8 to make room for Amy Rule, who was a revelation at 6 for the BaaBaas. Hooker/8s are a known thing, but rugby is a game where you will have players on the ground. Someone who knows how to do someone else’s job when the someone else is on the ground is pretty obviously added value.

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CG 36 days ago

I guess Justin will just have to be fed up then.

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PO 36 days ago

Im not usually one to agree with Marshall but on this he's correct, and not just in the loose forwards, but right across the field. Players like Damian Mackenzie covering 10 and 15 is ridiculous, 13 and 15 interchanging, and flankers becoming 8s. Pick specialist players in specialist positions for God's sake. That might be ok at club and domestic level, but if you want to be the best country in the world you need to pick the best players in their positions, and not expect players to “adapt”. Test rugby is competitive enough without allowing players to develop instinctive play, cause they are constantly being shuffled around.

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Only watch ABs 35 days ago

Very much disagree with JM and your views. We have the very best selector of All Blacks who continue to do us proud. Let’s leave it all to the Best of the best and not Armchair wish lists. PS Ardie Savea has won more points than our best ie Richie Macaw. Which makes Ardie the very best in any role.

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unknown 36 days ago

The AllBlacks were a better and stronger group of players when they were playing South Africa on a regular basis. The last two Hakas formations looked very unorganised. To the novice or the casual fan. They won’t see it. But structure and discipline is the key. You can see that they’re still searching themselves. And if you look at their fitness. They don’t look physically strong and dominant like they use too. Look at the score for these two wins. The scores are to close. They better get their act together before they play The Springboks!!

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Only watch ABs 35 days ago

This team, ie all of them, have won both games so far very convincingly. Nothing wro g with their Haka either! I won’t go on but I do know where you are coming from, and its not in a good place.

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TeRapaRFC 36 days ago

Do you mind explaining why the All Blacks were better when we were playing South Africa on a regular basis?


The reason I ask is because the data does not support that claim. We had exceptional players at the time.e that we don't have at this moment in time. South Africa didn't make them better players.


The only real advantage for playing the South Africans on a regular basis was their physicality. Beyond that, South Africa added little to no value for Super Rugby.

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